Would you trade Russell Wilson for Henry ?

[TreeRon]

Marshawn played til 32, if Henry matches that, it's 5 more years. I'd take 5 years of Derrick Henry on my team rather that 5 years trying to get him tackled.
The Titans aren't trading Henry so it's just idle speculation.
I am seeing cracks in the DK vase. If I could get a couple 1st rounders I'd take them. (I simply wish he'd grow up.)

BTW, Carson is 27.

 

[RiverDog]

I'm not necessarily adverse to trading Russell, but for a 27 year old running back, even one as good as Derrick Henry and when we just signed a very serviceable RB in Chris Carson?

Not only no, but hell no!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Dear god, make it stop........

 

[LTH]

I'm not necessarily adverse to trading Russell, but for a 27 year old running back, even one as good as Derrick Henry and when we just signed a very serviceable RB in Chris Carson?

Not only no, but hell no!

The more Im thinking about it I wouldn't be against trading Russ for the right deal...but not for Henry.. it would involve multiple first round picks and players..


LTH

 

[RiverDog]

I'm not necessarily adverse to trading Russell, but for a 27 year old running back, even one as good as Derrick Henry and when we just signed a very serviceable RB in Chris Carson?

Not only no, but hell no!

The more Im thinking about it I wouldn't be against trading Russ for the right deal...but not for Henry.. it would involve multiple first round picks and players..


LTH

Yep, like the deal that the Bears supposedly offered during the offseason, ie 3 first rounders, a 3rd rounder, and two starting players. If that were a real offer and if Russ wanted out, I would have pulled the trigger on it.

 

[LTH]

I'm not necessarily adverse to trading Russell, but for a 27 year old running back, even one as good as Derrick Henry and when we just signed a very serviceable RB in Chris Carson?

Not only no, but hell no!

The more Im thinking about it I wouldn't be against trading Russ for the right deal...but not for Henry.. it would involve multiple first round picks and players..


LTH

Yep, like the deal that the Bears supposedly offered during the offseason, ie 3 first rounders, a 3rd rounder, and two starting players. If that were a real offer and if Russ wanted out, I would have pulled the trigger on it.

It just depends on if there is an issue with Wilson buying into Carroll's philosophy. Russ wants to be a gunslinger more than Carroll wants to throw deep... Carroll wants Russ to maintain 70% completion ratio and maybe take 3 shots down field while running the ball 25 + times a game if Wilson doesn't buy into that its not going to work...

is there an issue? it seems like it. we will find out soon enough


LTH

 

[stack55]

Russ is ranked as one of the best deep ball throwers
In the league. Saying he doesn’t have the arm is false.

 

[RiverDog]

It (possible RW trade) just depends on if there is an issue with Wilson buying into Carroll's philosophy. Russ wants to be a gunslinger more than Carroll wants to throw deep... Carroll wants Russ to maintain 70% completion ratio and maybe take 3 shots down field while running the ball 25 + times a game if Wilson doesn't buy into that its not going to work...

is there an issue? it seems like it. we will find out soon enough


LTH

I completely agree, although I don't know if we'll ever find out if a rub between the two men actually exists. Both have this penchant of painting a smiley face on everybody and everything. If there was a major, irreconcilable problem, I doubt that we'd find out until after a trade was in the works.

I'm at a crossroads as far as both of them goes. If we can't get out of this current rut where we play just good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to be a genuine threat to go to the SB, then I'm ready for a change. We're going on 7 seasons without being a legitimate threat. I want to see some improvement, and if I don't see it, then good with blowing up the team and starting over, and that includes Pete, Russell, and JS.

 

[hox]

A QB for a RB? Not sure if serious.

A more interesting discussion -

Wilson for the next two years or old man Brady still playing like he's in his prime, for the next two years?

 

[schkoot]

Wilson for Henry straight across? NO

Wilson and Carson for Henry and Tannehill? YES

 

[CPHawk]

Wilson for Herbert strait up.

 

[Rat]

I'm not against trading Russ, but it wouldnt be maxing his value to trade him for a RB, even a stud like Henry.

 

[Maelstrom787]

2018: "Damn that Carroll, running the ball too much! Ancient offense!! Let Russ Cook!"

*shifts to a pass heavy offensive philosophy*

2021: "Yo lets trade our quarterback for a running back"

And somehow someway, Pete Ball has gone from running all the time to passing deep all the time according to the mob

Almost like a growing contingent of posters here are just stubborn contrarians that aren't making good-faith attempts to analyze the games or roster.

I am fine with disagreements. They're natural and it'd be boring without them. But these aren't high level conversations anymore.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I'm not necessarily adverse to trading Russell, but for a 27 year old running back, even one as good as Derrick Henry and when we just signed a very serviceable RB in Chris Carson?

Not only no, but hell no!

The more Im thinking about it I wouldn't be against trading Russ for the right deal...but not for Henry.. it would involve multiple first round picks and players..


LTH

Yep, like the deal that the Bears supposedly offered during the offseason, ie 3 first rounders, a 3rd rounder, and two starting players. If that were a real offer and if Russ wanted out, I would have pulled the trigger on it.

It just depends on if there is an issue with Wilson buying into Carroll's philosophy. Russ wants to be a gunslinger more than Carroll wants to throw deep... Carroll wants Russ to maintain 70% completion ratio and maybe take 3 shots down field while running the ball 25 + times a game if Wilson doesn't buy into that its not going to work...

is there an issue? it seems like it. we will find out soon enough


LTH

Its too bad Russ doesn't realize he's at his best in that scenario. We're at a point where what Russ sees himself as and what he actually is aren't lining up. You can't coach your way out of that. He wants to do x and everyone else in the building wants to do Y along with X. Irreconcilable differences at this point for me. The problem obviously is that you're almost guaranteed to be in a worse situation without him.

And before people say get rid of the coach, you're not winning a SB playing the way Russell wants to play with any coach. It's too feast or famine

 

[hawkfan68]

Seahawks could have drafted Derrick Henry in 2016 NFL draft. Instead they chose to go with Germain Ifedi. Tennessee got him with #45 pick and Seahawks drafted CJ Prosise in the 3rd round.

 

[AgentDib]

Seahawks could have drafted Derrick Henry in 2016 NFL draft. Instead they chose to go with Germain Ifedi. Tennessee got him with #45 pick and Seahawks drafted CJ Prosise in the 3rd round.

As always this is a terrible way to look at the draft.

The Tennessee Titans could have drafted Derrick Henry in the 2016 NFL draft with their first pick in the second round. Instead, they chose to go with Kevin Dodd, who was a bust nearly on the same level as McDowell and out of the league within two seasons. Any other NFL team could have taken Derrick Henry over the next twelve picks, but they didn't and Henry went where he did because that's where the league thought his value was at. If the Titans actually knew the future then taking Dodd in front of Henry would be outstandingly negligent.

The lesson that should be learned from the Titans 2016 draft is that it's good to have a lot of draft capital. They had some huge busts but enough picks that they also had some huge hits.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Seahawks could have drafted Derrick Henry in 2016 NFL draft. Instead they chose to go with Germain Ifedi. Tennessee got him with #45 pick and Seahawks drafted CJ Prosise in the 3rd round.

As always this is a terrible way to look at the draft.

The Tennessee Titans could have drafted Derrick Henry in the 2016 NFL draft with their first pick in the second round. Instead, they chose to go with Kevin Dodd, who was a bust nearly on the same level as McDowell and out of the league within two seasons. Any other NFL team could have taken Derrick Henry over the next twelve picks, but they didn't and Henry went where he did because that's where the league thought his value was at. If the Titans actually knew the future then taking Dodd in front of Henry would be outstandingly negligent.

The lesson that should be learned from the Titans 2016 draft is that it's good to have a lot of draft capital. They had some huge busts but enough picks that they also had some huge hits.

Thank you for providing some desperately needed perspective.

 

[misfit]

I'm not necessarily adverse to trading Russell, but for a 27 year old running back, even one as good as Derrick Henry and when we just signed a very serviceable RB in Chris Carson?

Not only no, but hell no!

The more Im thinking about it I wouldn't be against trading Russ for the right deal...but not for Henry.. it would involve multiple first round picks and players..


LTH

Yep, like the deal that the Bears supposedly offered during the offseason, ie 3 first rounders, a 3rd rounder, and two starting players. If that were a real offer and if Russ wanted out, I would have pulled the trigger on it.

It just depends on if there is an issue with Wilson buying into Carroll's philosophy. Russ wants to be a gunslinger more than Carroll wants to throw deep... Carroll wants Russ to maintain 70% completion ratio and maybe take 3 shots down field while running the ball 25 + times a game if Wilson doesn't buy into that its not going to work...

is there an issue? it seems like it. we will find out soon enough


LTH

I dont agree. I think Pete's philosophy is run run run, deep shot, rinse repeat. Pete loves the deep ball always has. Always has hated the short game and has talked about in interviews. IN the exit press conference last year he talked about getting out out 2 deep safety looks and how the only way to counter it is running the ball.

I wouldn't be surprised if he hated what Waldron ran week 1 against Indy cuz it looks like they reverted to last season playcalls against the Titans.

 

[hox]

I wouldn't be surprised if he hated what Waldron ran week 1 against Indy cuz it looks like they reverted to last season playcalls against the Titans.

Why would he hate what Waldron ran in week 1 when it was so successful? Listen to your own logic here.

 

[AgentDib]

Always has hated the short game and has talked about in interviews.

Source needed here. I've seen posters here make up stuff to that effect, but haven't heard Pete say it and I've listened to a lot of his press conferences. It also doesn't make any sense, as short high percentage passes keep the clock rolling and his defense off the field.

Pete does like explosive plays and that may be the confusion, but that's because he knows that threatening the deep stuff opens up the easier short stuff. Many here have the causation backwards if they think that Pete really just wants to take low percentage deep shots all the time that stop the clock.