Would you trade Russell Wilson for Henry ?

[misfit]

Always has hated the short game and has talked about in interviews.

Source needed here. I've seen posters here make up stuff to that effect, but haven't heard Pete say it and I've listened to a lot of his press conferences. It also doesn't make any sense, as short high percentage passes keep the clock rolling and his defense off the field.

Pete does like explosive plays and that may be the confusion, but that's because he knows that threatening the deep stuff opens up the easier short stuff. Many here have the causation backwards if they think that Pete really just wants to take low percentage deep shots all the time that stop the clock.

I need to find the tweets, but Joe Fann posted them after the rams loss talked about how he didnt like the 2 safety looks and the way out of them is to fun the ball.

 

[AgentDib]

I need to find the tweets, but Joe Fann posted them after the rams loss talked about how he didnt like the 2 safety looks and the way out of them is to fun the ball.

And running is a great way to punish two safety looks. If you watched MNF last night on ESPN2 you would have heard half of a broadcast of the Manning brothers talking about exactly that. The Lions were playing two deep safety and Peyton Manning had a very long rant about how important was for the Packers to run the ball to take advantage. That every time teams did that to him, he felt that they were saying he had too much ego and wasn't disciplined to stick to the running game to punish it. He reminded himself that they were daring him to run the ball, and that helped him feel better about running the ball instead of getting more passing yards. Look up a recap on youtube or something if you missed it, because it may change your mind about this stuff.

The thing that many here and on twitter completely overlook is that 'running the ball' is not arguing for two yards and a cloud of dust up the middle. The reason we brought in Waldron was supposedly to get the creativity the Rams have been displaying under McVay. Short passes over the middle are also important and can fulfill the same function. The middle of the field is what those safeties are vacating by moving deep, and so that's the area of the field that we want to attack vs. cover 2.

 

[BASF]

Always has hated the short game and has talked about in interviews.

Source needed here. I've seen posters here make up stuff to that effect, but haven't heard Pete say it and I've listened to a lot of his press conferences. It also doesn't make any sense, as short high percentage passes keep the clock rolling and his defense off the field.

Pete does like explosive plays and that may be the confusion, but that's because he knows that threatening the deep stuff opens up the easier short stuff. Many here have the causation backwards if they think that Pete really just wants to take low percentage deep shots all the time that stop the clock.

I need to find the tweets, but Joe Fann posted them after the rams loss talked about how he didnt like the 2 safety looks and the way out of them is to fun the ball.

Do you believe that running the ball is not a way to get a team out of playing two high against you?

 

[misfit]

Always has hated the short game and has talked about in interviews.

Source needed here. I've seen posters here make up stuff to that effect, but haven't heard Pete say it and I've listened to a lot of his press conferences. It also doesn't make any sense, as short high percentage passes keep the clock rolling and his defense off the field.

Pete does like explosive plays and that may be the confusion, but that's because he knows that threatening the deep stuff opens up the easier short stuff. Many here have the causation backwards if they think that Pete really just wants to take low percentage deep shots all the time that stop the clock.

I need to find the tweets, but Joe Fann posted them after the rams loss talked about how he didnt like the 2 safety looks and the way out of them is to fun the ball.

Do you believe that running the ball is not a way to get a team out of playing two high against you?

Oh I believe its a way, but its definitely not the only way. I think in the past pete has been very resistant to a short pass game. I think there are some here that think that russ cant see the middle of the field or that he cant hit slants or use the te or that he doesn't choose to in his progressions. I feel that Pete's schemes all the way back to usc were to batter batter batter a defense with the run game and make the defense come down with the safeties and lbs to stop it and then he kills you over the top with the deep ball.

it works but its very prehistoric and elementary. I'm just trying to make sense of why we didn't see the things we saw week 1. Maybe the titans did a really good job shutting it down, I don't know. It just appeared the offense looked much closer to last years offense than what we saw week 1.

I also think its not a coincidence we never blow teams out. this helps us never get blown out the other way, but I think Pete doesn't know what to do with a large lead and how to keep the gas on. Wihtout a back like Marshawn its very difficult to grind out games.

 

[Boycie]

Same old slow Wilson taking stupid sacks once again. Geno Smith and Henry would be a nice combo. I was a HUGE fan of RW, but his arm isn't strong enough to hit those deep crossing throws. I really doubt he will be here next year!

Are you on dope, or from a certain Discord site?

 

[BASF]

I also think its not a coincidence we never blow teams out. this helps us never get blown out the other way, but I think Pete doesn't know what to do with a large lead and how to keep the gas on.

We literally kept the gas on against the Titans and we lost because of it. If we had slowed down and battered them (or at least tried) we probably win that football game.

 

[RiverDog]

I also think its not a coincidence we never blow teams out. this helps us never get blown out the other way, but I think Pete doesn't know what to do with a large lead and how to keep the gas on.

We literally kept the gas on against the Titans and we lost because of it. If we had slowed down and battered them (or at least tried) we probably win that football game.

I was thinking the same thing. The only time we ran Carson twice in a three down series in the second half resulted in a first down, our only first down of the half. Leading for almost the entire 2nd half, I expected to see a lot more running, especially given how lopsided the TOP was and how our defense was getting beetch slapped. Not sure if that's Waldron's play calling or Russell changing the play.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Same old slow Wilson taking stupid sacks once again. Geno Smith and Henry would be a nice combo. I was a HUGE fan of RW, but his arm isn't strong enough to hit those deep crossing throws. I really doubt he will be here next year!

Are you on dope, or from a certain Discord site?

Discord has another site? What is it? I love all Discord products.

 

[misfit]

I also think its not a coincidence we never blow teams out. this helps us never get blown out the other way, but I think Pete doesn't know what to do with a large lead and how to keep the gas on.

We literally kept the gas on against the Titans and we lost because of it. If we had slowed down and battered them (or at least tried) we probably win that football game.

Or if we had thrown to the TEs like in week 1, or ran some misdirection stuff we also win the game.

Keeping your foot on the gas doesnt just mean throwing 50 yard bombs every play. There are multiple ways to be aggressive.

 

[AROS]

OP, thanks to you just reading your drivel cost me 25 IQ points. Good God.

 

[BASF]

I also think its not a coincidence we never blow teams out. this helps us never get blown out the other way, but I think Pete doesn't know what to do with a large lead and how to keep the gas on.

We literally kept the gas on against the Titans and we lost because of it. If we had slowed down and battered them (or at least tried) we probably win that football game.

Or if we had thrown to the TEs like in week 1, or ran some misdirection stuff we also win the game.

Keeping your foot on the gas doesnt just mean throwing 50 yard bombs every play. There are multiple ways to be aggressive.

Definitely agree. It was very telling when Wilson said in his press conference that he chose to go away from them. Your last point is also why Wilson was directly asked about his choices and he didn't really have adequate answers as far as I am concerned.

 

[hawkfan68]

I also think its not a coincidence we never blow teams out. this helps us never get blown out the other way, but I think Pete doesn't know what to do with a large lead and how to keep the gas on.

We literally kept the gas on against the Titans and we lost because of it. If we had slowed down and battered them (or at least tried) we probably win that football game.

Or if we had thrown to the TEs like in week 1, or ran some misdirection stuff we also win the game.

Keeping your foot on the gas doesnt just mean throwing 50 yard bombs every play. There are multiple ways to be aggressive.

Great points. The TE is the most inconsistently utilized position under PC. One game they get utilized then next it's zip. PC invests quite a bit into TE (always adding TE's to roster/PS) not sure why he isn't using them more.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

No but I'd trade DK and Carson for Henry.

um - yea - reluctantly - me too a bit.

they again, i'd trade them both for a lynch redux also

but, then i like lynch and, i fully understand this would never happen

 

[BASF]

I also think its not a coincidence we never blow teams out. this helps us never get blown out the other way, but I think Pete doesn't know what to do with a large lead and how to keep the gas on.

We literally kept the gas on against the Titans and we lost because of it. If we had slowed down and battered them (or at least tried) we probably win that football game.

Or if we had thrown to the TEs like in week 1, or ran some misdirection stuff we also win the game.

Keeping your foot on the gas doesnt just mean throwing 50 yard bombs every play. There are multiple ways to be aggressive.

Great points. The TE is the most inconsistently utilized position under PC. One game they get utilized then next it's zip. PC invests quite a bit into TE (always adding TE's to roster/PS) not sure why he isn't using them more.

As my previous post states Wilson said in his press conference that he saw them come open on a few plays but decided to go elsewhere. Wilson is literally choosing not to throw to them.

 

[hawkfan68]

We literally kept the gas on against the Titans and we lost because of it. If we had slowed down and battered them (or at least tried) we probably win that football game.

Or if we had thrown to the TEs like in week 1, or ran some misdirection stuff we also win the game.

Keeping your foot on the gas doesnt just mean throwing 50 yard bombs every play. There are multiple ways to be aggressive.

Great points. The TE is the most inconsistently utilized position under PC. One game they get utilized then next it's zip. PC invests quite a bit into TE (always adding TE's to roster/PS) not sure why he isn't using them more.

As my previous post states Wilson said in his press conference that he saw them come open on a few plays but decided to go elsewhere. Wilson is literally choosing not to throw to them.

I agree that RW is making those decisions on the field. He didn't have a problem throwing to Zach Miller from 2012-2014. So why is he so hesitant now? I guess that is the million dollar question.

 

[HawkinNY]

Not even in a fantasy league.


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[chris98251]

Or if we had thrown to the TEs like in week 1, or ran some misdirection stuff we also win the game.

Keeping your foot on the gas doesnt just mean throwing 50 yard bombs every play. There are multiple ways to be aggressive.

Great points. The TE is the most inconsistently utilized position under PC. One game they get utilized then next it's zip. PC invests quite a bit into TE (always adding TE's to roster/PS) not sure why he isn't using them more.

As my previous post states Wilson said in his press conference that he saw them come open on a few plays but decided to go elsewhere. Wilson is literally choosing not to throw to them.

I agree that RW is making those decisions on the field. He didn't have a problem throwing to Zach Miller from 2012-2014. So why is he so hesitant now? I guess that is the million dollar question.

Miller was under utilized then even, he was a all pro if I remember before coming here as a all around TE, he had a couple come from behind games where he was a integral part, but was kept in most because our line sucked so badly.

 

[BASF]

Or if we had thrown to the TEs like in week 1, or ran some misdirection stuff we also win the game.

Keeping your foot on the gas doesnt just mean throwing 50 yard bombs every play. There are multiple ways to be aggressive.

Great points. The TE is the most inconsistently utilized position under PC. One game they get utilized then next it's zip. PC invests quite a bit into TE (always adding TE's to roster/PS) not sure why he isn't using them more.

As my previous post states Wilson said in his press conference that he saw them come open on a few plays but decided to go elsewhere. Wilson is literally choosing not to throw to them.

I agree that RW is making those decisions on the field. He didn't have a problem throwing to Zach Miller from 2012-2014. So why is he so hesitant now? I guess that is the million dollar question.

Everything is just conjecture unless you actually work for the team unfortunately. My conjecture is that the hero ball that has been tagged on him is accurate. He is always looking to get his receivers deep before ever considering just taking what the defense gives him. It has nothing to do with his capabilities. It is all about his desire.

 

[hawkfan68]

Great points. The TE is the most inconsistently utilized position under PC. One game they get utilized then next it's zip. PC invests quite a bit into TE (always adding TE's to roster/PS) not sure why he isn't using them more.

As my previous post states Wilson said in his press conference that he saw them come open on a few plays but decided to go elsewhere. Wilson is literally choosing not to throw to them.

I agree that RW is making those decisions on the field. He didn't have a problem throwing to Zach Miller from 2012-2014. So why is he so hesitant now? I guess that is the million dollar question.

Everything is just conjecture unless you actually work for the team unfortunately. My conjecture is that the hero ball that has been tagged on him is accurate. He is always looking to get his receivers deep before ever considering just taking what the defense gives him. It has nothing to do with his capabilities. It is all about his desire.

Agreed. Maybe he looks for the deep ball because "explosive plays" has been instilled in him by since he was a rookie. Maybe that is the factor he looks for deep ball first (he's excellent at them). If he's not the best in the league he's extremely close to the top. Obviously PC hasn't changed his behavior through the years because this has been happening throughout RW's tenure here. https://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks...ll-wilson-pete-carroll-checking-all-the-boxes.

Therefore, my conjecture is that he's doing what he has been instructed to do by his coaches.

 

[hox]

As my previous post states Wilson said in his press conference that he saw them come open on a few plays but decided to go elsewhere. Wilson is literally choosing not to throw to them.

I agree that RW is making those decisions on the field. He didn't have a problem throwing to Zach Miller from 2012-2014. So why is he so hesitant now? I guess that is the million dollar question.

Everything is just conjecture unless you actually work for the team unfortunately. My conjecture is that the hero ball that has been tagged on him is accurate. He is always looking to get his receivers deep before ever considering just taking what the defense gives him. It has nothing to do with his capabilities. It is all about his desire.

Agreed. Maybe he looks for the deep ball because "explosive plays" has been instilled in him by since he was a rookie. Maybe that is the factor he looks for deep ball first (he's excellent at them). If he's not the best in the league he's extremely close to the top. Obviously PC hasn't changed his behavior through the years because this has been happening throughout RW's tenure here. https://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks...ll-wilson-pete-carroll-checking-all-the-boxes.

Therefore, my conjecture is that he's doing what he has been instructed to do by his coaches.

While there is some truth to their "checking the boxes" approach to the game, that article is from 2013, and may not be as pertinent today.

Here's one from this week, where Pete specifically called out Russell Wilson:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1510617/ ... -patience/

• What Pete said: “I thought (Russell Wilson) took advantage of the game well until the last sequence (in overtime). We had a play-action pass and I wish we could have controlled the ball and checked the ball down there. Took a shot at Tyler, then went up to DK on second down and then our opportunity escapes us right there and (the Titans) get the ball inside the 40. That sequence was the one, I wish Russ could have helped us there and just made completions for us. We needed to just move the ball there and change the field position at least in overtime because you’re playing (for) a field goal right there.”

• Salk’s reaction: “‘I wish Russ could have helped us there.’ Unfortunately we just didn’t get it done. Those strike you as different from what you normally get from Pete Carroll? They strike me as pretty different. I don’t want to overreact to them… but he was holding (Wilson) accountable for what he did in that moment.”

He is basically calling on Russ to just move the chains instead of the deep ball. Usually you don't hear about these things in public, but there it is.