Would y'all?

[jblaze]

The way I see it is that they'd be willing to offer what they were offering Allen.

A DE of Jared Allen's caliber is worth way more to Seattle right now than another 5'10 WR. That's the exact reason why they low-balled Tate. To offer Jackson the same deal as Allen, especially with a deep WR class coming up, would be crazy. And he wouldn't accept it anyway.

I disagree. A pro-bowl WR in his prime who is a dynamic playmaker on a team desperately needing WR help is much more valuable than a 32 year old rotational DE who is a one trick pony 4-3 DE who just rushes the passer.

JS/PC has a penchant for going after the special unique talents. Both guys qualify as such but we need WR's more than DE's at this point having lost our #1 and #2 WR's from last year while our other WR was hurt all year.

 

[DavidSeven]

Saying you would take him for $5-6m is a total non-starter because that's not happening. Jackson has nothing to prove to the league, so there's no chance he signs the same deal that Riley Cooper just signed. Harvin came with worse red flags and still got himself an $11m/yr contract.

If you really want to think about and debate this realistically, you have to think of him as a $8-9M player, at minimum. Is he worth that much to Seattle? If this was pre-Harvin, I'd say it's a conversation worth having, but I agree with Tical that Jackson too often seems easily neutralized. Whenever I've watched an Eagles game, I've rarely felt Jackson was changing the dimensions of a game the same way that a Harvin, Lynch or Russell Wilson are able to do. That being said, he is a YAC playmaker who fits the mold of guys PC/JS generally like. Still, we're in the post-Harvin world and dumping $20M into the receiving corps just isn't justifiable IMO.

C'mon... Harvin had worse red flags??? Than the rampant speculation that Jackson is a gang member??? Uh, no.

All you need to know about the two players and how they're viewed...

Harvin was traded for a first round pick, plus two more AND signed to a deal bigger than Jackson has currently.

Jackson couldn't be traded for anything and makes less money... Hmmmm.

Harvin had injury and attitude red flags. He was IR'ed for a sprained ankle. He had a falling out with two head coaches, one of whom he threw dumbbell at. Had a history of migraines, missed practices and has been taped berating his coaches. He was busted for drugs in college and banned for life from high school sports.

This "gang" stuff on Jackson is all conjecture at this point, and I'd estimate a good chunk of NFL players have friends with gang ties or unscrupulous backgrounds. There are no other confirmable red flags related to his character or health.

However, Harvin is a better player than Jackson. A significantly better player. He's an elite player, Jackson is not. That's why the trade interest was different. Someone will still pay Jackson in the $8-9m range, though.

 

[vin.couve12]

Wow....just wow. You have no idea what you want to get yourselves into, but have at it.

and you do?

For whatever reason, when Jax was on the trade block, Chip Kelly was up front with other teams as to what they would be getting. He went over they gang affiliations and locker room and off the field issues.

Teams promptly backed out and now the Eagles are getting nothing for him.

It's not hard to deduce.

According to the Eagles they became aware of gang issues on Wednesday... Long after "teams backed out"
Lots of double talk from the Eagles. I'm sure Jacksons got some issues... I also think the Eagles are floating alot out there to protect themselves

Nobody offered up a trade because he was at 10.5 mill a year and it was pretty obvious he was getting cut

Not hard to deduce at all

Where are you getting this info? Jax's gang affiliation has been known for some time. You can even go to the trade thread and I was posting it in there as well a couple weeks ago or whatever it was.

You're grasping at straws and clearly don't know this situation.

 

[3Girls'HawkDad]

What's wrong with being in a gang?

I have been part of several gangs. The best one was called Bang. The Bang Gang.

Just me and a lot of other dudes, and a few gals, well, one any way. Good times.

 

[Largent80]

This dude ain't gonna sign here. The money is not there. And as I pointed out way earlier, this particular draft has a LOT of good WR's.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Selling DJax on a 1/2 prove it deal would be the most amazing recruiting job Pete Carroll has ever done.

I just don't see it. I think the Raiders or Jets will give him a similar deal to what he had in Philly with some out clauses added just in case these gang affiliation fears play out to something more serious.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Can we just get a good redzone target? No way Jackson comes here there's too many other teams willing to pay him more then we would.

 

[jblaze]

This dude ain't gonna sign here. The money is not there. And as I pointed out way earlier, this particular draft has a LOT of good WR's.

The money is there to the extent that the Allen money was there.

None of that puts the big 3 in jeopardy. They've done the calculations as to what will be needed to extend ET, Sherman and RW and there's some money on top of that available if the right opportunity presents itself.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I see at least Oakland, Jets. Carolina, Kansas City as obvious players and wouldn't be surprised if there's 6-8 others.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

...

 

[DavidSeven]

This dude ain't gonna sign here. The money is not there. And as I pointed out way earlier, this particular draft has a LOT of good WR's.

The money is there to the extent that the Allen money was there.

None of that puts the big 3 in jeopardy. They've done the calculations as to what will be needed to extend ET, Sherman and RW and there's some money on top of that available if the right opportunity presents itself.

Allen's offer from Seattle was 1 or 2 years with only 1 year guaranteed. Why would Jackson accept that deal when teams like NYJ and Oakland are in the position to offer him longterm deals with higher average salaries? It makes no sense for a WR to play in Seattle on a prove it deal. He's not putting up the same stats here as he did in Chip Kelly's offense, or even Andy Reid's offense.

 

[jblaze]

The jets are probably the most likely but I'm not sure Idzik would do that.

The Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Bills, Dolphins, Seahawks will all have some level of interest. They all have cap space and a need at WR.

The interesting thing is the links to Seattle. Two weeks ago Jackson tweeted a pic of he and Pete Carroll in Jackson's home when Carroll was recruiting him to USC back in the day. Plus, he played with Lynch at Cal. It was re-tweeted by Sherman then. Jackson has the same agent as Percy Harvin, etc.

All circumstantial but there's certainly some familiarity there.

 

[pocketprotector]

I hate "y'all."

Just because you speak like an uneducated yokel, doesn't mean you have to type like one, as well.

That slow, southern drawl makes you sound like a rube, a dullard. Neil deGrasse Tyson could speak like a southern hick and no one would take anything he says seriously.

Who the hell would say "you all" anyway. Note that “y’all” stands for “you all” and is properly a plural form, though cousin lovers treat it as a singular form and resort to “all y’all” for the plural. Most southerners reserve “all y’all” to mean “each and every one of you.”

Do all y'all sell them fridges for the front porch of all y'alls trailers, so I can keep my Natural Ice cans of beer cold for the Nascar?

The fact that you judge a persons education level and intelligence based upon their dialect indicates something about your own intellect, and it is not positive.

 

[jblaze]

This dude ain't gonna sign here. The money is not there. And as I pointed out way earlier, this particular draft has a LOT of good WR's.

The money is there to the extent that the Allen money was there.

None of that puts the big 3 in jeopardy. They've done the calculations as to what will be needed to extend ET, Sherman and RW and there's some money on top of that available if the right opportunity presents itself.

Allen's offer from Seattle was 1 or 2 years with only 1 year guaranteed. Why would Jackson accept that deal when teams like NYJ and Oakland are in the position to offer him longterm deals with higher average salaries? It makes no sense for a WR to play in Seattle on a prove it deal. He's not putting up the same stats here as he did in Chip Kelly's offense, or even Andy Reid's offense.

We don't know what the Allen offer was, most speculate it was a 2 year with no guaranteed money in year 2. 6m apy, 6m gteed.

I would argue Jackson will have to do some sort of short deal (1-2 years) on a prove it type of deal due to the reputation damage he's got perhaps with some team options. It's not necessarily the gang stuff, that's overblown. It's the attitude stuff with arguing with coaches, berating teammates, missing meetings, etc. All diva stuff and he will need to prove that he can be a good team player.

I think the fact that a team outright cut a top 15 WR in his prime after the best season in his career says a lot and there's ample reasoning that teams will have to look into. I don't think he gets cut and goes out and signs a 5yr/40m deal. It's just not going to happen.

 

[Hasselbeck]

The jets are probably the most likely but I'm not sure Idzik would do that.

The Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Bills, Dolphins, Seahawks will all have some level of interest. They all have cap space and a need at WR.

The interesting thing is the links to Seattle. Two weeks ago Jackson tweeted a pic of he and Pete Carroll in Jackson's home when Carroll was recruiting him to USC back in the day. Plus, he played with Lynch at Cal. It was re-tweeted by Sherman then. Jackson has the same agent as Percy Harvin, etc.

All circumstantial but there's certainly some familiarity there.

I am -pretty- sure one of his best friends is Marshawn Lynch

 

[Sgt. Largent]

The jets are probably the most likely but I'm not sure Idzik would do that.

The Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Bills, Dolphins, Seahawks will all have some level of interest. They all have cap space and a need at WR.

The interesting thing is the links to Seattle. Two weeks ago Jackson tweeted a pic of he and Pete Carroll in Jackson's home when Carroll was recruiting him to USC back in the day. Plus, he played with Lynch at Cal. It was re-tweeted by Sherman then. Jackson has the same agent as Percy Harvin, etc.

All circumstantial but there's certainly some familiarity there.

I can see most of those teams except the Dolphins. They're already trying to trade Wallace after signing him to an insane deal last year, I doubt they want to get into another WR contract they'll regret. Wallace's cap hit is 17M in 2014, with 23M dead! That's crazy.

Ireland's an idiot.

 

[Russ Willstrong]

What's wrong with being in a gang?

I have been part of several gangs. The best one was called Bang. The Bang Gang.

Just me and a lot of other dudes, and a few gals, well, one any way. Good times.

Hey Tiny!!
Is that you!!
:2:

 

[jblaze]

The jets are probably the most likely but I'm not sure Idzik would do that.

The Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Bills, Dolphins, Seahawks will all have some level of interest. They all have cap space and a need at WR.

The interesting thing is the links to Seattle. Two weeks ago Jackson tweeted a pic of he and Pete Carroll in Jackson's home when Carroll was recruiting him to USC back in the day. Plus, he played with Lynch at Cal. It was re-tweeted by Sherman then. Jackson has the same agent as Percy Harvin, etc.

All circumstantial but there's certainly some familiarity there.

I can see most of those teams except the Dolphins. They're already trying to trade Wallace after signing him to an insane deal last year, I doubt they want to get into another WR contract they'll regret. Wallace's cap hit is 17M in 2014, with 23M dead! That's crazy.

Ireland's an idiot.

Agreed. They were desperate and that was one of the worst WR contracts ever. Guy is one dimensional. The Dolphins went all in last year and it will backfire big time. 17m cap hit for a guy who just runs posts? WTF?

The only reason I mentioned the Dolphins is because the new Dolphin OC (Bill Lazor) is Phili's old one so he knows Jackson well.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

The jets are probably the most likely but I'm not sure Idzik would do that.

The Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Bills, Dolphins, Seahawks will all have some level of interest. They all have cap space and a need at WR.

The interesting thing is the links to Seattle. Two weeks ago Jackson tweeted a pic of he and Pete Carroll in Jackson's home when Carroll was recruiting him to USC back in the day. Plus, he played with Lynch at Cal. It was re-tweeted by Sherman then. Jackson has the same agent as Percy Harvin, etc.

All circumstantial but there's certainly some familiarity there.

The owner wants him but Idzik is very lukewarm about him so who knows?

 

[Uncle Si]

Wow....just wow. You have no idea what you want to get yourselves into, but have at it.

and you do?[/quote]

For whatever reason, when Jax was on the trade block, Chip Kelly was up front with other teams as to what they would be getting. He went over they gang affiliations and locker room and off the field issues.

Teams promptly backed out and now the Eagles are getting nothing for him.

It's not hard to deduce.[/quote]
According to the Eagles they became aware of gang issues on Wednesday... Long after "teams backed out"
Lots of double talk from the Eagles. I'm sure Jacksons got some issues... I also think the Eagles are floating alot out there to protect themselves

Nobody offered up a trade because he was at 10.5 mill a year and it was pretty obvious he was getting cut

Not hard to deduce at all[/quote]

Where are you getting this info? Jax's gang affiliation has been known for some time. You can even go to the trade thread and I was posting it in there as well a couple weeks ago or whatever it was.

You're grasping at straws and clearly don't know this situation.[/quote]

Yeah... Or the Eagles stated information they received Wednesday led to dropping him

Internet is pretty cool

Its clear you think you know more of this situation and what the "masses" of Eagle fans and players think with little regard to what's out there

But go on and be our Jackson expert...Skippy