Would better pass protection make Russell Wilson better?

[brimsalabim]

wow some of you are turning on Russell already? Of course he would be better if he had more than 2 seconds before the first pass rusher got to him and no Wisconsin isn't the NFL but the line he played behind there is in the NFL now and those guys did not get shorter.

 

[DavidSeven]

wow some of you are turning on Russell already? Of course he would be better if he had more than 2 seconds before the first pass rusher got to him and no Wisconsin isn't the NFL but the line he played behind there is in the NFL now and those guys did not get shorter.

I don't think anyone has turned on Wilson. He's a unique talent and an unprecedented type of player in this league, so there's some legitimate curiosity about how to maximize his ability. I think, however, we've arrived at the consensus that, yes, more protection would help.

 

[JSeahawks]

wow some of you are turning on Russell already? Of course he would be better if he had more than 2 seconds before the first pass rusher got to him and no Wisconsin isn't the NFL but the line he played behind there is in the NFL now and those guys did not get shorter.

Nobody is turning on Russell Wilson, i'm not THAT big of an idiot.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Hmm, so early indications would confirm that I am, indeed, an idiot.

Outside of your "duckdom" and occasional contrarian arguments at times, you're not an idiot, just have a differing opinion on this. No harm, no foul.

 

[Scottemojo]

Hmm, so early indications would confirm that I am, indeed, an idiot.

Outside of your "duckdom" and occasional contrarian arguments at times, you're not an idiot, just have a differing opinion on this. No harm, no fowl.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

I think, however, we've arrived at the consensus that, yes, more protection would help.

That took a discussion?

 

[JSeahawks]

Hmm, so early indications would confirm that I am, indeed, an idiot.

Outside of your "duckdom" and occasional contrarian arguments at times, you're not an idiot, just have a differing opinion on this. No harm, no fowl.

I see what you did there.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

How about this. He could move around in the pocket if he had a pocket to move in. Also, as long as he has decent pass blocking throughout a game, he is a good pocket passer with a THREAT to run that a D must respect. Otherwise he is one-dimensional and you just send blitzes against a terrible OL and post a speedy spy (how short some memories are).

So, the OL gives him 3+ seconds to throw, then if that breaks down he can scramble to extend the play beyond those 3 seconds. I'm not seeing any negatives to giving him or any other QB, mobile or not, more pass pro. And lets not forget that although he pulls off some pretty amazing escapes, he is not bullet proof. The law of averages eventually catches anybody.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

I would say that Russell's ability to scramble saves Cable's butt is what I would say. I think Pete and JS let Cable have his bargain bin approach to the line out of tolerance, and acceptance of the fact that the money we don't spend there can be spent elsewhere. But I don't doubt for a second that if they could have pass protection for free they'd do it.

Which is why I was scratching my head with John and Pete's 1st Round choice at the last Draft. We really didn't have to have a RB....but I knew that we needed a good OL player as our players have been so injury prone.

As for making life easier for RW by giving him more time? Is the Pope Catholic?

 

[pehawk]

Whenever Jseahawks gets out of line, make sure to give this bad boy a bump.

 

[Bobblehead]

Nothing personal, and I totally get what you're saying, but I'm going to facepalm on this one. DangeRuss could still run all over the place with great pass protection at will if he wanted to.

Plus, I honestly think the lack of passing game over the middle has more to do with other factors than Wilson's height.

I"m not sure how accurate this is, since I've seen Bree's be quite successful at it, but I kinda felt this is, the one area where Wilson's height maybe an issue.

Me in my limited insights thinks Wilson, withen 1.5 sec of snap is just to close to the LOS to see over anyone for the crossing outlet, whether it is a back, TE or Receiver. It's what I see that players such as Manning is so successful at and I hope with Percy coming back sometime, Russell too will have that quick outlet against the blitzing opponent.

Maybe it's just the type of receivers we have..

 

[rsm650]

No, I think garbage pass protection is better. I heard Harbaugh tried to stash Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Alex Boone, and Anthony Davis to their practice squad...does he really think we'll fall for that? :sarcasm_off:

 

[scutterhawk]

Jseahawks deserves a thrashing for this, really.

May I point out he watches musicals?

Musicals?, OH MY GOD! noooooo
Yeah, RW needs way more Defensive, distractions, trouncing sacks, dumped on his head more often and smothering pressure to be any good SMH.
Not trying to belittle you JS, just want to wriggle some before you scream uncle. :16:

 

[hawk45]

I would say that Russell's ability to scramble saves Cable's butt is what I would say. I think Pete and JS let Cable have his bargain bin approach to the line out of tolerance, and acceptance of the fact that the money we don't spend there can be spent elsewhere. But I don't doubt for a second that if they could have pass protection for free they'd do it.

Which is why I was scratching my head with John and Pete's 1st Round choice at the last Draft. We really didn't have to have a RB....but I knew that we needed a good OL player as our players have been so injury prone.

As for making life easier for RW by giving him more time? Is the Pope Catholic?

I'm with you on the draft choice, but the draftniks will respond I think that they knew OL was a problem and they also worry that Lynch may dropoff or become a cap casualty and had to prepare for that, and so they shored up the position where they felt better about the talent in the draft, and that was RB.

Finding a lineman who can is a fit for ZBS and can pass protect is a challenge, since agility is a premium in ZBS, a point PE has made recently.

Here's hoping they can spot some diamonds out there in upcoming drafts. Our success in the win column means we're not going to get those higher picks where the mountains who are nimble can be found.

Still, at guard, I'd hope we might be able to get a guy who can do both. At some point.

 

[pehawk]

This is what happens when the team you follow cheats with nothing to show for it. You end prefering bad OL play, hate kick offs, and enjoy a good musical.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Yes because it has in the past. Dumb question.

 

[JSeahawks]

Jseahawks deserves a thrashing for this, really.

May I point out he watches musicals?

Musicals?, OH MY GOD! noooooo
Yeah, RW needs way more Defensive, distractions, trouncing sacks, dumped on his head more often and smothering pressure to be any good SMH.
Not trying to belittle you JS, just want to wriggle some before you scream uncle. :16:

Rock Of Ages was a damn good movie. I'm sorry, but you just can't belittle this:

[youtube]rm5MDenG5QY[/youtube]

 

[CallMeADawg]

JSeahawks - I would say that you were partially correct. I would update your statement to say that the return on investment of a New England quality O-Line (for example) would diminish faster when you have a QB like Russell Wilson than it would for teams that have the "pocket passer" QB's like Manning or Brady. Now, that is purely from the perspective of Wilson and Wilson alone. We all know what Marshawn would do with a tackle tandem like Hutch/Jones on the line.

But your statement was about Wilson, and I think this slight amendment to what you were saying would give it more merit, IMHO.

 

[Hawknballs]

why does it seem like so many people question RW still?

16-6 as your starting QB.

sixteen wins. Sixteen sundays you were thrilled. six you were disappointed. and most of those were early in last season.

 

[JaiSeaSea]

With 99% of the QB's in the league I would say that the answer to this question is obvious: Of course better pass protection would make the QB better. With Russell Wilson i'm going to go against logic and say that it would actually hurt RW's game. I think he's better off behind our current o'line, with their constant break downs in protection, then he would be behind an o'line that provided a consistent 5 or 6 seconds to stand in the pocket and survey the field.

I know most of us don't want to believe it, but I do believe that his game is impacted by his lack of height. You especially see it in the lack of ability to have a quick passing game over the middle. He seems to be much better when he's moving around in the pocket creating angles to see through, or moving out of the pocket all together. In this way I think the o'line break downs help Russell's game as long as he's nimble enough to avoid the rushers because it creates new angles for him rather then just sitting stationary in a perfect pocket. It also gets him out into the field where he's a threat to run so maybe the LB's or DB's will break off coverage to try and support against the run, further opening up passing lanes.



Maybe, just maybe, Tom Cable is a genius in trying to find run blocking beasts who are a bit more weak in their pass protection.

Thoughts? Am I right? Am I an idiot? Am I right in this instance, but an idiot anyway?

(btw, i'm not saying this as a negative on RW. I would not trade him for any QB in the league right now)

I don't think there is any way they would risk Wilson getting hurt by broken "protection".