Worst Dominating Win...

[glenwo2]

And now Darnold is going to have another Bounce-back performance next Sunday against the Falcons. (Not-so-Hot Take here)

 

[RiverDog]

Are you going to tell me that THIS was mediocre?

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I mean...I guess based on the standards Darnold set earlier in the season, I suppose you're right in that regard.

But in general, that Titans game was not mediocre to me. It was a bounce-back performance.

But to each his own, I suppose.

A 61.5% completion percentage, had that been a yearlong average, would be good enough for the 37th best amongst 50 starting QB's. His passer rating vs. the Vikings was just 67.5, and had that been his yearlong average, it would give Sam the 2nd worst passer rating amongst starting quarterbacks above only JJ McCarthy. Calling Sam's performance mediocre is being very kind to him.

 

[glenwo2]

A 61.5% completion percentage, had that been a yearlong average, would be good enough for the 37th best amongst 50 starting QB's. His passer rating vs. the Vikings was just 67.5, and had that been his yearlong average, it would give Sam the 2nd worst passer rating amongst starting quarterbacks above only JJ McCarthy. Calling Sam's performance mediocre is being very kind to him.

So you jump from 'completion percentage' against the Titans to 'Passer rating' vs the Vikings in an attempt to support your argument.

What was his Passer Rating against the Titans again?

Just stop.

It's obvious that you and I have far different interpretations of what constitutes a mediocre performance.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Shoot, I wanna' know how many passes were knocked down at the line vs. the Vikes. Easily 6 or 7.
Of course, he's not going to have a high completion percentage that game. If you're not going to account for all those tipped passes, you're not really being fair to the guy. O line was getting pushed back much of the day.
Then again, dude could throw 5 td's and a select few would complain about a random bad throw earlier in the game.
Meh, comes with the QB position.

 

[RiverDog]

So you jump from 'completion percentage' against the Titans to 'Passer rating' vs the Vikings in an attempt to support your argument.

What was his Passer Rating against the Titans again?

Sams completion percentage for the Titans game was 61.5%. In his past 3 games vs. the Rams, Titans, and Vikings, Sam's completion percentage was 65.9%, 61.5%, and 53.9% respectively. The 2025 average for all quarterbacks is 64.6%.

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To be fair, Sam's passer rating for the Titans game was 111.8, a little above his season average of 103.1. But his passer rating for the Rams game was just 45.5 and for the Vikings 53.9.

I'll stand by my assessment of Sam's performance over the past 3 games as being mediocre.

Just stop.

It's obvious that you and I have far different interpretations of what constitutes a mediocre performance.

Agreed. And if you want me to stop, I suggest that you put me on ignore.

 

[RiverDog]

Shoot, I wanna' know how many passes were knocked down at the line vs. the Vikes. Easily 6 or 7.
Of course, he's not going to have a high completion percentage that game. If you're not going to account for all those tipped passes, you're not really being fair to the guy. O line was getting pushed back much of the day.
Then again, dude could throw 5 td's and a select few would complain about a random bad throw earlier in the game.
Meh, comes with the QB position.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. And I'll be the first to admit that not all of Sam's statistical decline is his fault. He's not getting a lot of time back there and our scheme didn't seem to be adequate. There were a couple of times where a pass rusher got in completely unblocked. That's either scheme or a missed assignment.

 

[glenwo2]

Agreed. And if you want me to stop, I suggest that you put me on ignore.

When I said "stop", I was saying it like "oh dude...come on now" type of way.

You're well-entitled to have your own opinion.

Just saying I don't agree with it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, I noticed that, too. And I'll be the first to admit that not all of Sam's statistical decline is his fault. He's not getting a lot of time back there and our scheme didn't seem to be adequate. There were a couple of times where a pass rusher got in completely unblocked. That's either scheme or a missed assignment.

Dude is 23-6 the last two seasons. I'm good with Sam. Even with knowing that he needs to cut back on the turnovers.
And YES I know he lost a playoff game. But people act like he was the ONLY reason they got smoked in the playoffs.

 

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[warden]

Wow!!’ so many here have convinced themselves that they understand football if they complain

The other team gets paid too. The other team spends hundreds of hours watching film to learn your weakness. They do everything they can to exploit it. They change things up to catch you off guard. If they succeed, other teams copy it until you make adequate adjustments to overcome it. An ongoing cycle in the league

The good teams evolve as the season progresses, the good teams still win the games when everything does not go according to plan. The good teams overcome their deficiencies. The whole season is a work in progress.

We are 9 and 3

As of now, are doing so much more right then wrong and that my friends is what wins football games consistently

 

[Wsumatt1982]

You were not watching a Super Bowl-caliber offense today. If you are happy with that, then go nuts.

At the beginning of the year did you think this was a Super Bowl team? I thought then and still do now we are a year away from being a top contender. This season has been better than expected and fun to watch but still think we are likely two to four pieces away from being a super bowl contender.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wow!!’ so many here have convinced themselves that they understand football if they complain

The other team gets paid too. The other team spends hundreds of hours watching film to learn your weakness. They do everything they can to exploit it. They change things up to catch you off guard. If they succeed, other teams copy it until you make adequate adjustments to overcome it. An ongoing cycle in the league

The good teams evolve as the season progresses, the good teams still win the games when everything does not go according to plan. The good teams overcome their deficiencies. The whole season is a work in progress.

We are 9 and 3

As of now, are doing so much more right then wrong and that my friends is what wins football games consistently

No way man. 60-0 every game. If the other team gets a first down or any points, not good enough.

 

[hox]

Batted / tipped passes have been an issue since the Houston game. Teams are actively scheming this and Kubiak is slow to adjust. His quick timing plays over the middle are meant to be blitz / pressure beaters, but it's backfiring. He needs to adjust for this issue specifically instead of trying to install fake tush push type plays.

 

[RiverDog]

Dude is 23-6 the last two seasons. I'm good with Sam. Even with knowing that he needs to cut back on the turnovers.
And YES I know he lost a playoff game. But people act like he was the ONLY reason they got smoked in the playoffs.

I agree. Sam might not be our QBOTF, but he's largely responsible for that 9-3 record. I'm very comfortable with him as our QB. He's a big upgrade over Geno.

But we have to recognize that he's been off over his past 3 games, and I think he admits as much himself. He needs to get back to where he was the first 2/3's of the season if we are to do anything in the playoffs.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Can't force things. Throw it away or take a sack. A habit he needs to get into, that's for sure.

 

[hawks85]

That Minnesota defense is no joke. They make a lot of good offenses look pedestrian. We dominated and proved we can win without JSN. Nice to see

Agree.

 

[hawks85]

I don't.


I don't care if the opposing NFL team had a High-School QB.

It's extremely difficult to shut-out an NFL team these days.


Whenever that happens, it's *NOT* a "worst" dominating win.

That's just loser talk by the OP, man.

Agree. As Coach Mike says you can't judge a team by it record alone. The whole league is talented and is hard to win every week. Getting a shut out is even harder, but it's a statement.

 

[glenwo2]

I agree. Sam might not be our QBOTF, but he's largely responsible for that 9-3 record. I'm very comfortable with him as our QB. He's a big upgrade over Geno.

But we have to recognize that he's been off over his past 3 games, and I think he admits as much himself. He needs to get back to where he was the first 2/3's of the season if we are to do anything in the playoffs.

Speaking of which, it's not easy to get an actual QBOTF these days.

We would have to really suck badly for that to happen.

It's nice to have a QBOTP, though.

(Quarterback Of The Present)


I think he will get it together against the Falcons Next Sunday.


Flores D we can explain away that he knew Sam plus that Defense is unique (and we won't be facing it again)...but If he still struggles against Atlanta, THEN it will be time to worry.

 

[RiverDog]

Speaking of which, it's not easy to get an actual QBOTF these days.

We would have to really suck badly for that to happen.

It's nice to have a QBOTP, though.

(Quarterback Of The Present)


I think he will get it together against the Falcons Next Sunday.


Flores D we can explain away that he knew Sam plus that Defense is unique (and we won't be facing it again)...but If he still struggles against Atlanta, THEN it will be time to worry.

You're preaching to the choir. And even if we sucked really bad, there would still be no guarantee of getting a QBOTF. Just take a look at teams like the Browns and Jets if one needs an example.

I am mildly concerned about Sam. He was pressured quite a bit last Sunday, and he might start hearing footsteps.

I'd like to see us get a ground game established. We're supposed to be a run-first offense yet we are just 26th in yards per carry.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

At the beginning of the year did you think this was a Super Bowl team? I thought then and still do now we are a year away from being a top contender. This season has been better than expected and fun to watch but still think we are likely two to four pieces away from being a super bowl contender.

I did not, not at the beginning of the year. When Shaheed was added, I got optimistic, but Sam's either not using him or Kubiak's taking forever to get him integrated.

RiverDog's point about Darnold's completion % isn't irrelevant. Nor is being bottom of the league on 3rd-and-long or in turnover rate. Darnold did the best thing he could against the Vikings' defensive strategy, same thing he did vs. the Texans - become a game manager QB who doesn't turn the ball over, but doesn't get much else done either.

People may not like all of this, but that does not make it untrue.