Wilson's Agent on right now with Brock and Salk

[scutterhawk]

Little by little the choir boy image is eroding for Wilson.

And whatever the outcome of this negotiation, the NFC West will benefit.

Wilson gets overpaid, less money for Wagner et al. At a high enough price point does Wagner become a cap casualty?

Wilson gets "underpaid", and his unhappiness will come out somehow and negatively affect the team.

If I was a Seahawk fan I would be annoyed at Wilson.

If he wanted to "deserve" what he asks then he should have played better his final two games of the 2014 season. Bottom line, an "elite", "top 5" QB wins those games decisively for the Seahawks, no questions asked.

Choir boy image?, Eroding? :roll: only in your mind.
No questions asked?....Like Statue Manning?, that's a blanket statement that has no real facts to back it up.
Brady came within a one Yard pass to a #4 Receiver (at best), and a rookie Corner from not pulling it off.
Truth is?, Kaepernick wouldn't (and hasn't) have come anywhere close to what Wilson has in his first three Seasons.

 

[scutterhawk]

Yea, I beg to differ there. It was never an issue with Montana because the 49ers flat out made sure he was the highest paid QB at the time without even so much as a lengthy contract dispute. (According to the annual salary survey conducted by the NFL Players Association, Montana signed a four-year, $13 million contract this year, averaging $3.25 million. This year, Montana also became the first player to earn $4 million in base salary. His base salary was $1.2 million in '89.)

He was the heart soul of the team and the most loved 49er of his era. It wasn't until he was too old and they had Young that it became a real problem and, as I recall, it caused huge problems in the fan base when Young took over. Start reading interviews of players who played with him. Montana raised the level of everyone around him, especially in big games.

The approach the 49ers took and what the Seahawks are taking now are completely opposite. The Seahawks want Wilson to give them a cap friendly long term deal so that the team can remain competitive and pay other good talent to play for them in hopes of getting more rings. It is a sound strategy by the front office. On a side note, the different eras in football also come into play and are not lost when discussing this post.

However, Wilson wants to get paid like the top QB he is and while he loves the idea of a cap friendly contract, he doesn't not want that to apply to him. He will not sacrifice "his" pay for the greater good the team unless he is making a ton of money already. He may restructure later on or take a pay cut here and there but Wilson wants his contract and wants his top 5 QB money. He will get it.

Schneider will give it to him in the end because he knows he has a rare QB and Schneider is very familiar with the level of play a rare QB will give your team. Win forever philosophy, not "win now" philosophy. He also is aware of building around Wilson for the future but wants as much money as he can to keep and acquire more talent.

The real question is how well can Schneider do with a $16-$20 million QB. Because that is the very least it will cost the Seahawks. Welcome to the elite QB club. Expensive but worth it.

Pretty well thought out, and true post

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

..........If I was a Seahawk fan I would be annoyed at Wilson............

I sure am glad you're not. Enjoy your 7-9 sason.

 

[dumbrabbit]

..........If I was a Seahawk fan I would be annoyed at Wilson............

I sure am glad you're not. Enjoy your 7-9 sason.

Sometime this forum should have a post archive along with a thread archive, so that we can archive stuff like what 9ster posted.

 

[Scottemojo]

"There's value in winning." - Wilson's agent.

I found that to be an interesting quote, because I've sort been wondering how the leverage in this negotiation and also our perception of it would be affected if Chris Matthews never recovered that onside kick in the NFCCG. Could Wilson's agent negotiate from a position of power if the Seahawks' season ended on a 0 TD/4 INT performance from its QB? Don't get me wrong, I think Wilson deserves to be paid. However, it's amazing how the randomest and unlikeliest plays can affect our perception of value and create "chips" for an agent to use.

Based on what Mark Rodgers said, I think he'd definitely take Russell to free agency if not for the team's ability to franchise him for three years. I'm not convinced Rodgers believes there's any benefit at all for Russell to get this deal done super early. Not to say the deal won't get done this offseason, but Rodgers seems like the kind of guy who would advise his client to wait unless their numbers are truly met.

I said on here already that Russ wants paid for his past success. Value in winning is just that, a payday for 3 years of wins.

As far as his agent not being in a rush to get paid, that part is bullshit from the agent. the agent wants paid just as much as Russ, and neither is unaware that one injury can cost future millions, and every year's delay in a contract puts Russ potentially one year farther away from that 3rd bite at the apple when he hits his early thirties. If they really thought his greatest value was on the open market, there would be no negotiations right now.

 

[Sports Hernia]

"There's value in winning." - Wilson's agent.

I found that to be an interesting quote, because I've sort been wondering how the leverage in this negotiation and also our perception of it would be affected if Chris Matthews never recovered that onside kick in the NFCCG. Could Wilson's agent negotiate from a position of power if the Seahawks' season ended on a 0 TD/4 INT performance from its QB? Don't get me wrong, I think Wilson deserves to be paid. However, it's amazing how the randomest and unlikeliest plays can affect our perception of value and create "chips" for an agent to use.

Based on what Mark Rodgers said, I think he'd definitely take Russell to free agency if not for the team's ability to franchise him for three years. I'm not convinced Rodgers believes there's any benefit at all for Russell to get this deal done super early. Not to say the deal won't get done this offseason, but Rodgers seems like the kind of guy who would advise his client to wait unless their numbers are truly met.

I said on here already that Russ wants paid for his past success. Value in winning is just that, a payday for 3 years of wins.

As far as his agent not being in a rush to get paid, that part is bullshit from the agent. the agent wants paid just as much as Russ, and neither is unaware that one injury can cost future millions, and every year's delay in a contract puts Russ potentially one year farther away from that 3rd bite at the apple when he hits his early thirties. If they really thought his greatest value was on the open market, there would be no negotiations right now.

Thank you. Great post. I don't believe for a minute that RW or his agent will be satisfied with him only making 1.5 million for 2015. That's "agent speak" right there folks.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

"There's value in winning." - Wilson's agent.

I found that to be an interesting quote, because I've sort been wondering how the leverage in this negotiation and also our perception of it would be affected if Chris Matthews never recovered that onside kick in the NFCCG. Could Wilson's agent negotiate from a position of power if the Seahawks' season ended on a 0 TD/4 INT performance from its QB? Don't get me wrong, I think Wilson deserves to be paid. However, it's amazing how the randomest and unlikeliest plays can affect our perception of value and create "chips" for an agent to use.

Based on what Mark Rodgers said, I think he'd definitely take Russell to free agency if not for the team's ability to franchise him for three years. I'm not convinced Rodgers believes there's any benefit at all for Russell to get this deal done super early. Not to say the deal won't get done this offseason, but Rodgers seems like the kind of guy who would advise his client to wait unless their numbers are truly met.

I said on here already that Russ wants paid for his past success. Value in winning is just that, a payday for 3 years of wins.

As far as his agent not being in a rush to get paid, that part is bullshit from the agent. the agent wants paid just as much as Russ, and neither is unaware that one injury can cost future millions, and every year's delay in a contract puts Russ potentially one year farther away from that 3rd bite at the apple when he hits his early thirties. If they really thought his greatest value was on the open market, there would be no negotiations right now.

Logic isn't allowed here. Seriously, this is how quarterback contract negotiation works especially for those that are considered elite by those that actually know the term and have their jobs on the line.

 

[Anthony!]

Now that we have listened to the demands of Russell's agent, we now know exactly what is happening in the "Mexican stand-off" with the Seahawk Front Office.. I'm always amazed at how a majority of the posters here love to talk around the main issue....MONEY.......as the agent wants the most he can get.....sooner or later. He perceives his job as getting the maximum amount of money for his client. He could care less about his client's image as he knows that sport fans have a very short memory. He could care less about how his negotiations make the image of the Seahawk Front office appear in public. Football and baseball agents are the most selfish persons in America....and they could care less what you think about them! It's all about...."What's in it for me."

Yeah you obviously were not listening to the same tings I was.

 

[Anthony!]

"There's value in winning." - Wilson's agent.

I found that to be an interesting quote, because I've sort been wondering how the leverage in this negotiation and also our perception of it would be affected if Chris Matthews never recovered that onside kick in the NFCCG. Could Wilson's agent negotiate from a position of power if the Seahawks' season ended on a 0 TD/4 INT performance from its QB? Don't get me wrong, I think Wilson deserves to be paid. However, it's amazing how the randomest and unlikeliest plays can affect our perception of value and create "chips" for an agent to use.

Based on what Mark Rodgers said, I think he'd definitely take Russell to free agency if not for the team's ability to franchise him for three years. I'm not convinced Rodgers believes there's any benefit at all for Russell to get this deal done super early. Not to say the deal won't get done this offseason, but Rodgers seems like the kind of guy who would advise his client to wait unless their numbers are truly met.

I said on here already that Russ wants paid for his past success. Value in winning is just that, a payday for 3 years of wins.

As far as his agent not being in a rush to get paid, that part is bullshit from the agent. the agent wants paid just as much as Russ, and neither is unaware that one injury can cost future millions, and every year's delay in a contract puts Russ potentially one year farther away from that 3rd bite at the apple when he hits his early thirties. If they really thought his greatest value was on the open market, there would be no negotiations right now.

Yeah ahh no you really do not know any of those things you are just guessing.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Now that we have listened to the demands of Russell's agent, we now know exactly what is happening in the "Mexican stand-off" with the Seahawk Front Office.. I'm always amazed at how a majority of the posters here love to talk around the main issue....MONEY.......as the agent wants the most he can get.....sooner or later. He perceives his job as getting the maximum amount of money for his client. He could care less about his client's image as he knows that sport fans have a very short memory. He could care less about how his negotiations make the image of the Seahawk Front office appear in public. Football and baseball agents are the most selfish persons in America....and they could care less what you think about them! It's all about...."What's in it for me."

Yeah you obviously were not listening to the same tings I was.

That's because you were "hearing tings'! :roll:

 

[Smellyman]

I can also guarentee you he nor his client want to play at 1.5 this year and then get franchised the next 3 years. Especially with the brand of football RW plays. Let's be honest he opens himself up for much more punishment then the average qb.

Logically this makes sense, but I honestly don't get this impression from Russell. He's seems confident and content in his ability to escape serious injury.........and it has ZERO factor in the contract negotiations.

Now maybe that's just leverage talking, but if it is, Russell's certainly convincing.

This is a great point and I'd agree. Wilson doesn't seem to play scared of being hurt. He's also so smart about taking hits, that honestly, he takes more hits in the pocket than anywhere else.

He can do his best to avoid injury, but pulled hammies, torn muscles and torn tendons happen.

and he will still take a lot of hits.

 

[chris98251]

Baseball Agent negotiating tactics trying to leverage things, Scott Boras 101, when an agent goes to the press they are in trouble, Baseball doesn't have a Franchise Tag, or a Cap. Agent has hit a wall and wants to try to get the public to look at the Seahawks as the problem.

Next thing we will hear is it is not about the money bit about his career and security and being appreciated.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Baseball Agent negotiating tactics trying to leverage things, Scott Boras 101, when an agent goes to the press they are in trouble, Baseball doesn't have a Franchise Tag, or a Cap. Agent has hit a wall and wants to try to get the public to look at the Seahawks as the problem.

Next thing we will hear is it is not about the money bit about his career and security and being appreciated.

Wow, I'll even say it backwards for everyone....Wow. You mean see the dance? This is just how it plays out like I keep saying. So fun to see it up close for a team I'm actually invested in finally.

These are the best of times Hawk fans. We're finally top tier with all the drama it entails. Just sit back and enjoy the ride is my advice because it ends so quickly. Unless you're certain legacy teams of course.

But something the NFL never wants known is that any team can become legacy level. Just look at the Patriots or Steelers.

 

[Anthony!]

Now that we have listened to the demands of Russell's agent, we now know exactly what is happening in the "Mexican stand-off" with the Seahawk Front Office.. I'm always amazed at how a majority of the posters here love to talk around the main issue....MONEY.......as the agent wants the most he can get.....sooner or later. He perceives his job as getting the maximum amount of money for his client. He could care less about his client's image as he knows that sport fans have a very short memory. He could care less about how his negotiations make the image of the Seahawk Front office appear in public. Football and baseball agents are the most selfish persons in America....and they could care less what you think about them! It's all about...."What's in it for me."

Yeah you obviously were not listening to the same tings I was.

That's because you were "hearing tings'! :roll:

no its because what you wanted to hear even if it was not really said.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Baseball Agent negotiating tactics trying to leverage things, Scott Boras 101, when an agent goes to the press they are in trouble, Baseball doesn't have a Franchise Tag, or a Cap. Agent has hit a wall and wants to try to get the public to look at the Seahawks as the problem.

Next thing we will hear is it is not about the money bit about his career and security and being appreciated.

No offense, but you have completely misread the situation, either that or you have read too far in between the lines. This guy isn't bashing the FO, nor has he hit a "wall".

This agent has a very clear, and concise plan, there is not much reading between the lines to do here. Bashing the FO, or anything that could perceived as doing so via the media would either get him fired or hurt his cause. In fact, he went out of his way to praise them. He was very political in the way he is approaching this whole situation on the air. I know exactly what Wilson, and his agent are thinking as well. I figured that they would try to take this approach.

What I expect happened is that Wilson's agent was not able to get as much as Wilson, or his agent thought he was worth in negotiations. I think that this is a reasonable conclusion to make. In order to maximise the profit they decided to play the waiting game. This strategy makes good business sense, but it also is a double edged sword. If Wilson gets hurt, or completely bombs this season he has lost some leverage. On the other hand is Wilson makes it close to the superbowl, or has a season that is close to his 2013 or 2012 campaigns he will have the upper hand. He does not even have to produce more than he has for the last three years. Waiting means an increase in the salary cap, and an inflated market with a Newton, Rivers, and Luck contract extension looming.

Ultimately there is no reason for Wilson, and his agent to press the issue. This is a solid bet for Wilson and his agent to make, and I think it is more likely than not that they will succeed with their goal if these negotiations drag on until next offseason.

 

[Anthony!]

I can also guarentee you he nor his client want to play at 1.5 this year and then get franchised the next 3 years. Especially with the brand of football RW plays. Let's be honest he opens himself up for much more punishment then the average qb.

Logically this makes sense, but I honestly don't get this impression from Russell. He's seems confident and content in his ability to escape serious injury.........and it has ZERO factor in the contract negotiations.

Now maybe that's just leverage talking, but if it is, Russell's certainly convincing.

This is a great point and I'd agree. Wilson doesn't seem to play scared of being hurt. He's also so smart about taking hits, that honestly, he takes more hits in the pocket than anywhere else.

He can do his best to avoid injury, but pulled hammies, torn muscles and torn tendons happen.

and he will still take a lot of hits.

Thats what insurance is for.

 

[Rob12]

I am a huge fan of the Salary Cap, it makes the sport the most exciting one in the world by giving everyone a chance unlike other big sports like basketball, soccer or baseball. The downside is that players can't have unlimited amounts of money like the best players in those other sports get. That's just something the players have to deal with to keep the integrity of the game intact and that one player can't receive the entire salary budget.

I'm not a retard, I completely understand where Wilson is coming from but the way he's going about it comes off a bit antagonistic.

But we have no idea how Russell sees all of this, so how can he be accused of being antagonistic? The man has spent his entire life honing his craft. I thought the same way you do now early on in the negotiations but now I'm in full agreement with the majority here who believe that it's not a matter of if this deal gets done, but when.

I think it's unfair when people try and speak for Russell, or tell us what he wants. We don't know. He has his people in his ear constantly and he has to do what's best for him. And the Seahawks will do what's best for them. Somewhere along those lines, a deal will be reached.

I think it would be best to not throw around accusations when all we get is speculation and hearsay from the media - especially when, according to his agent, 95 percent of what has been said by the talking heads has missed the mark.

 

[Rob12]

Little by little the choir boy image is eroding for Wilson.

The only thing that's eroding your image of who you think Russell Wilson "really" is based on the narrative that you choose to listen to.

We'll see.

The .NET narrative was always that he is not only the best or top 3 QB in the league but a better human being than the average Joe. Not everyone on here is like this, but even the supposedly neutral know it all Kearly buys into it.

I've never seen that narrative for a franchise QB ever in my life, and I've been watching the NFL since the mid '80s. Even Montana in his prime didn't get showered with this level of unconditional support. Only now long after he is retired is he looked at with such reverence.

That's why I find this normally silly thing to follow so fascinating.

Nice little thinly veiled insult at one of the most respected posters here.

Hopefully you have been banned already. If not, it should happen soon.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I am a huge fan of the Salary Cap, it makes the sport the most exciting one in the world by giving everyone a chance unlike other big sports like basketball, soccer or baseball. The downside is that players can't have unlimited amounts of money like the best players in those other sports get. That's just something the players have to deal with to keep the integrity of the game intact and that one player can't receive the entire salary budget.

I'm not a retard, I completely understand where Wilson is coming from but the way he's going about it comes off a bit antagonistic.

But we have no idea how Russell sees all of this, so how can he be accused of being antagonistic? The man has spent his entire life honing his craft. I thought the same way you do now early on in the negotiations but now I'm in full agreement with the majority here who believe that it's not a matter of if this deal gets done, but when.

I think it's unfair when people try and speak for Russell, or tell us what he wants. We don't know. He has his people in his ear constantly and he has to do what's best for him. And the Seahawks will do what's best for them. Somewhere along those lines, a deal will be reached.

I think it would be best to not throw around accusations when all we get is speculation and hearsay from the media - especially when, according to his agent, 95 percent of what has been said by the talking heads has missed the mark.

Of course his agent would say that. Many agents not only handle contracts, but also public relations. In this case the two go hand in hand. This is the reason for his recent dealings with the media. In reality I think it is safe to assume that both sides are fairly far apart given some of the things he has said. He talked a lot about how he and Wilson are comfortable with just waiting it out. This is a calculated gamble on their part, if anybody is liable to gamble on themselves I would think that it is Wilson. I do not think that it is the wrong the thing to do on their part either.

All this interview really told us is that Wilson, and his agent are willing to wait it out. In reality we do not know what is really going on behind closed doors. The interview with the agent only affirmed the reports that the two sides are farther apart than we would like at the moment. For Wilson's camp it is no sweat, yes it is a gamble, but the longer these negotiations are protracted, the larger his potential salary will be.

 

[Scottemojo]

"There's value in winning." - Wilson's agent.

I found that to be an interesting quote, because I've sort been wondering how the leverage in this negotiation and also our perception of it would be affected if Chris Matthews never recovered that onside kick in the NFCCG. Could Wilson's agent negotiate from a position of power if the Seahawks' season ended on a 0 TD/4 INT performance from its QB? Don't get me wrong, I think Wilson deserves to be paid. However, it's amazing how the randomest and unlikeliest plays can affect our perception of value and create "chips" for an agent to use.

Based on what Mark Rodgers said, I think he'd definitely take Russell to free agency if not for the team's ability to franchise him for three years. I'm not convinced Rodgers believes there's any benefit at all for Russell to get this deal done super early. Not to say the deal won't get done this offseason, but Rodgers seems like the kind of guy who would advise his client to wait unless their numbers are truly met.

I said on here already that Russ wants paid for his past success. Value in winning is just that, a payday for 3 years of wins.

As far as his agent not being in a rush to get paid, that part is bullshit from the agent. the agent wants paid just as much as Russ, and neither is unaware that one injury can cost future millions, and every year's delay in a contract puts Russ potentially one year farther away from that 3rd bite at the apple when he hits his early thirties. If they really thought his greatest value was on the open market, there would be no negotiations right now.

Yeah ahh no you really do not know any of those things you are just guessing.

Yeah ahh yes, his agent went on the radio and said a few things about current negotiations because they want to wait a couple more years to secure his future. (that was sarcasm, hope you got it)

Everyone is guessing. Even you, sycophant. I used logic for my guesses. You should try some.