Maelstrom787":2ci0bk66 said:Terrible answer all-around from him. Heroball is what he wants, and he won't win $h!t that way.
pittpnthrs":bqyq86xj said:Maelstrom787":bqyq86xj said:Terrible answer all-around from him. Heroball is what he wants, and he won't win $h!t that way.
He's basically won that way for 6 years now. People quickly forget how many times he's had to put the team on his back and pull rabbits out of the hat to win games due to crap game plans. So he didnt throw to a TE for 3 yards in OT last week. I think I can forgive him for failing every once in awhile.
AgentDib":2iykggrf said:I posted the context in the other thread talking about this. The short version is that Russ was asked earlier about the cover 2 scheme, and gave a detailed answer that lines up more with what people want to hear. He mentioned throwing to open spots, running the ball with Chris Carson, and throwing more to tight ends.
This bit is from later in the press conference and was a response to a reporter criticizing one specific play. No mention was made of Pete Carroll or Pete Carroll's comments at all, the reporter just asked him if he should have done that specific pass to Lockett differently. In my view, Russ's answer here is understandably defensive. I'll bet you wouldn't like a reporter second guessing you on live TV either.
pittpnthrs":mrsclx91 said:Maelstrom787":mrsclx91 said:Terrible answer all-around from him. Heroball is what he wants, and he won't win $h!t that way.
He's basically won that way for 6 years now. People quickly forget how many times he's had to put the team on his back and pull rabbits out of the hat to win games due to crap game plans. So he didnt throw to a TE for 3 yards in OT last week. I think I can forgive him for failing every once in awhile.
FloridaSeahawk18":3vsp0sm9 said:pittpnthrs":3vsp0sm9 said:Maelstrom787":3vsp0sm9 said:Terrible answer all-around from him. Heroball is what he wants, and he won't win $h!t that way.
He's basically won that way for 6 years now. People quickly forget how many times he's had to put the team on his back and pull rabbits out of the hat to win games due to crap game plans. So he didnt throw to a TE for 3 yards in OT last week. I think I can forgive him for failing every once in awhile.
He is allowed to miss and make mistakes, but when he is publicly defiant it's another story.
Appyhawk":2mw5t0mm said:FloridaSeahawk18":2mw5t0mm said:pittpnthrs":2mw5t0mm said:Maelstrom787":2mw5t0mm said:Terrible answer all-around from him. Heroball is what he wants, and he won't win $h!t that way.
He's basically won that way for 6 years now. People quickly forget how many times he's had to put the team on his back and pull rabbits out of the hat to win games due to crap game plans. So he didnt throw to a TE for 3 yards in OT last week. I think I can forgive him for failing every once in awhile.
He is allowed to miss and make mistakes, but when he is publicly defiant it's another story.
I read it as more confident than defiant. Maybe it's just a matter of what you want to see and hear. Not meaning "you" personally...meaning "you" as whoever is the reader.
It’s freaking Twitter for crying out loud.LTH":3tbvigtu said:RiverDog":3tbvigtu said:LTH":3tbvigtu said:https://twitter.com/bcondotta/status/1441125662559924228?s=20
Russell Wilson was asked about Carroll's statement that he wished Wilson had checked down on the first-down play in OT Sunday. Asked if he agreed with Carroll's assessment Wilson said "I think what I agree with is trying to find a way to win the game.'' ... Wilson noted the pass was just 3-4 inches from being complete and "I'm not gonna change my mindset'' and that he knows how to win games in those situations. ... -Bob Condotta
very interesting... sounds very defensive to me...
LTH
I'll have to go back and see/read the entire interview and make sure that it's not being taken out of context, but if it's like what I'm seeing now, it's disgusting. Russell is saying more than just that him and Pete agree with trying to find a way to win, which is a pretty stupid thing to say. Of course, they both want to find a way to win. Who doesn't?
What Russell is saying is that he thinks his method of finding a way to win, ie throwing a 50/50 ball 20 yards downfield to a covered receiver when we're backed up against our own end zone in a sudden death situation, is better than the head coach's suggestion that he should have checked down to an open receiver that would have gotten us out of the shadow of our own goal posts and given our defense a chance should the offense fail..again.
If that's what Russell said and if I'm not taking it out of context, then it's very disappointing to say the least.
I think you bring up a good point I based my opinion off of Condotta's tweet because He is a pretty good reporter but I do think your right about checking the context of the comment... Bob also wrote a story on it I saw it but didnt read it...
LTH
This was just from Russ's Thursday press conference. All press conferences can be watched by anyone at Seahawks.com under the video category here. This one was pretty dull, and only blew up because Condotta tweeted in such a way that it looked like Russ was disagreeing with Pete publicly.RiverDog":bjs3ivrs said:I appreciate you filling in some background. We'd have to see the actual interview, not just the text, to get a feeling of what Russell said to be able to put his remarks in context.
AgentDib":353j849e said:Definitely. Saying that right things at a press conference does not mean that everything is fixed and it's completely fair to be skeptical and wait for on field results.hoxrox":353j849e said:He mentioned these things for sure, but actions speak louder than words.
What I disagree with is people taking that one defensive answer completely out of context as we've seen on twitter and in this thread so far.
ivotuk":2xr2kjrd said:Maelstrom787":2xr2kjrd said:Terrible answer all-around from him. Heroball is what he wants, and he won't win $h!t that way.
Exactly. He's losing sight of Winning, and has his mind stuck on personal accolades, such as the MVP.
I thought his comment "We scored 30 points" was idiotic. The Defense gave you a short field, and on another TD, the Titans forgot Freddie Swain was on the field.
Nope, instead of taking the check downs and giving his punter a shot, he tried to play Heroball and put Special Teams in a bind, which in turn, shortened the field for Tennessee.
Russell needs to lose the EGO. He still finds it necessary to brag every now and then (I'm one of 32 people who get to be an NFL starting Quarterback") and I cringe every time he does so. There's a saying that one keeps hearing from players that have been doing this a long time, "Act like you've been there before."
If you feel the need to brag, that means you're lacking complete self-confidence, and are turning to your EGO to make up for it.
Those who are self-confident don't feel the need to tell anybody anything. They let their actions speak for them.
hoxrox":3krh87sd said:Yep and it wasn't just the possession in OT. In the 4th quarter, Everett was open for the first down on 3rd and 3, when Russell decided to throw the jump ball to DK (incomplete).
Yes QBs miss open guys, but this is not just a one-off. It is an ongoing trend. Russ is looking for the splash play. Meanwhile, the TEs and RBs are just an after thought.
Carroll brought in Waldron to help find the sweet spot for which this offense can have maximum production and efficiency. So far Waldron is batting .500 with his new QB.
The topic is the final drive in OT where Russell didn’t take the check down with his back to the end zone and instead fired the ball deep twice on lower percentage passes and then was sacked in the inevitable third and long he put himself into.Scorpion05":36ywnex3 said:So I just want to make sure I'm following this right.
Pete Carroll goes out of his way to criticize Wilson. He could have EASILY said "We did not get it done." But instead, he chose to call out his QB publicly.
Russ, who is literally TOP 2 in recent years for 4th quarter and overtime comebacks, basically gives a response. And now he's an arrogant, ego-centric pos? ukeface:
Most of Russell's passes in the 4th quarter...were short passes. The narrative that russ is trying to take deep shots on every play is not rooted in facts. Or his passing chart for that matter.
ivotuk":36ywnex3 said:Maelstrom787":36ywnex3 said:Terrible answer all-around from him. Heroball is what he wants, and he won't win $h!t that way.
Exactly. He's losing sight of Winning, and has his mind stuck on personal accolades, such as the MVP.
I thought his comment "We scored 30 points" was idiotic. The Defense gave you a short field, and on another TD, the Titans forgot Freddie Swain was on the field.
Nope, instead of taking the check downs and giving his punter a shot, he tried to play Heroball and put Special Teams in a bind, which in turn, shortened the field for Tennessee.
Russell needs to lose the EGO. He still finds it necessary to brag every now and then (I'm one of 32 people who get to be an NFL starting Quarterback") and I cringe every time he does so. There's a saying that one keeps hearing from players that have been doing this a long time, "Act like you've been there before."
If you feel the need to brag, that means you're lacking complete self-confidence, and are turning to your EGO to make up for it.
Those who are self-confident don't feel the need to tell anybody anything. They let their actions speak for them.
I like this new Russ. You all want him to know his place and nope...he's standing up for himself and speaking up for himself. He's not going to take being treated like a second rate QB anymore.
The offense scored 30 points. That's the bottom line. The defense couldn't stop a nose bleed in the 2nd half. If you want to break down each drive we can do so. But the offense gave the defense a major cushion to pin their ears back and attack the Titans offense. They didn't.
He did take checkdowns in the 4th quarter. MOST of his passes were short. As with all debates on this forum lately, facts are irrelevant so long as you get to crap all over Russ.
Russ does act like he's been there before. He's one of the most humble QBs in the league, who praises his teammates and visits the hospital every Tuesday. You don't talk about him like he does though. Maybe you should check into why that is?
He didn't brag, he defended himself. His coach chose to call him out, and he defended himself. You know who else has bragged about how good they are? Brees, Peyton, Mahomes. Pretty much any top 5 QB in history. I have quotes for you from them if that would help. Assuming your goal is to be fair.
AgentDib":358774oo said:This was just from Russ's Thursday press conference. All press conferences can be watched by anyone at Seahawks.com under the video category here. This one was pretty dull, and only blew up because Condotta tweeted in such a way that it looked like Russ was disagreeing with Pete publicly.