Will Pete Carroll be in NFL Hall of Fame? (Poll)

[Jerhawk]

Will Pete Carroll have a bust in Canton, OH when it's all said and done?

 

[Spin Doctor]

The NFL HOF is about narratives. Right now I think the biggest drag on his careers perception is the outcome of our last Super Bowl. To this day we still hear echos of Marshawn Lynch from the media. The outcome from then onwards has been extremely disappointing in the postseason. Carroll been starting to build a bad rap in the media circles which will ultimately get him in the HOF.

On the other side of things you could argue that he built sustained success over 9 seasons. Went to two Super Bowls and won 1. His defensive scheme also founded a whole new era of defense in the NFL that lasted quite a long time. He might find a way in. I could see him being in the HOF, but I could also just as easily see him being in the hall of the very good.

 

[Cirmman]

I think clearly he will be HoF

 

[pittpnthrs]

They are pretty lenient when it comes to Super Bowl winners so he'll probably get in.

 

[Spin Doctor]

They are pretty lenient when it comes to Super Bowl winners so he'll probably get in.

I don't know about that, remember Mike Holmgren hasn't made it to the HOF yet. Mike Holmgren has a higher win % than Pete Carroll does over a longer span of time, and three Super Bowl appearances. Like Carroll he really set a lot of trends in the 90s with his specialty. He is also one of only six guys in NFL history to ever make it to another Super Bowl with a different team. He also did it with two different Quarterbacks in Matt Hasselbeck and Brett Favre -- both players he developed and brought up.

The fact that Holmgren isn't in the HOF makes me curious as to Pete's future legacy when he retires. I don't think he is a shoe in.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Pete Carroll did something that should amaze even HOF voters.

Pete is not a great coach. Not even sure if he is a good coach, at most of the things we expect coaches to be good at.

What Pete did, is win by 'Out Athleting' the opposition. He did that way back in USC.

Then he came to the NFL.

And somehow built the blueprints for being able to win in the NFL, by 'Out-Athleting' the opponents. The NFL. WHERE EVERYONE IS AN ATHLETE.

Put aside all your disdain for Pete's gameday coaching and ponder how amazing it was that he could build a roster of exceptional athletes that could literally out-athlete most of the even playoff NFL rosters.

It is mindblowing.

For years, we were one of the top rosters in the NFL regularly. That was Pete. And for doing something that seemingly impossible, he almost deserves to go into the Hall for that.

Anyone that followed Carroll since USC knows his strengths and weaknesses. He isn't a good coach and probably never was. Even at USC. But he could stack rosters to the point it didn't matter the tactics and strategy, because his people would run rings around the other team.

Then he came to the NFL and built a system that could stack a roster full of pro-bowlers in 3-5 years.

He likely squandered a good part of Wilson's career with poor coaching decisions but I would still put him in.

 

[RiverDog]

Not on his current resume. One Lombardi ain't gonna cut it. Minimum for modern era coaches is 2. IMO Belichick is the only living HC that's sure to get in. Everyone else needs at least one more Lombardi. Tony Dungy could get in based on his race, being the first black HC to win a Lombardi and he wasn't a bad player that has a ring as a member of the Steel Curtain defense. There was some talk that Tom Coughlin could get in as he has 2 Lombardi's, but his career ended on a dud.

Of the post merger HOF coaches, Marv Levy took his teams to 4 consecutive SB's, Chuck Knoll has 4 Lombardi's, Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh both have 3. Parcells has 2 Lombardi's plus took two different teams to SB's and Bud Grant has 4 Grey Cups (remember, it's the Pro Football HOF, not NFL) plus took the Vikings to 3 SB's. The only odd balls are John Madden with one SB, and he likely had his broadcasting career, commercials, and video game notoriety that added weight to his candidacy, and George Allen, whose teams never had a losing record.

I'm surprised that Pete got as many votes as he did. You have to remember that he got fired from two NFL HC jobs before he came to us. I think a lot of people are voting on emotion or wishful thinking rather than logic.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Not on his current resume. One Lombardi ain't gonna cut it. Minimum for modern era coaches is 2. IMO Belichick is the only active coach that's sure to get in. Everyone else needs at least one more Lombardi. Tony Dungy could get in based on his race, being the first black HC to win a Lombardi and he wasn't a bad player that has a ring as a member of the Steel Curtain defense.

Of the post merger HOF coaches, Marv Levy took his teams to 4 consecutive SB's, Chuck Knoll has 4 Lombardi's, Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh both have 3. Parcells has 2 Lombardi's plus took two different teams to SB's and Bud Grant has 4 Grey Cups (remember, it's the Pro Football HOF, not NFL) plus took the Vikings to 3 SB's. The only odd balls are John Madden with one SB, and he likely had his broadcasting career, commercials, and video game notoriety that added weight to his candidacy, and George Allen, whose teams never had a losing record.

I'm surprised that Pete got as many votes as he did. You have to remember that he got fired from two NFL HC jobs before he came to us. I think a lot of people are voting on emotion rather than logic.

I see both sides of this argument personally. I'm leaning towards Carroll NOT getting the nod. That being said, we did have Bill Cowher inducted into the HOF with only one ring.

All of that being said, I don't think Carroll gets it at the end of the day, especially if Holmgren hasn't. Quite honestly Holmgren deserved to be in the HOF before Bill Cowher.

 

[RiverDog]

Not on his current resume. One Lombardi ain't gonna cut it. Minimum for modern era coaches is 2. IMO Belichick is the only active coach that's sure to get in. Everyone else needs at least one more Lombardi. Tony Dungy could get in based on his race, being the first black HC to win a Lombardi and he wasn't a bad player that has a ring as a member of the Steel Curtain defense.

Of the post merger HOF coaches, Marv Levy took his teams to 4 consecutive SB's, Chuck Knoll has 4 Lombardi's, Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh both have 3. Parcells has 2 Lombardi's plus took two different teams to SB's and Bud Grant has 4 Grey Cups (remember, it's the Pro Football HOF, not NFL) plus took the Vikings to 3 SB's. The only odd balls are John Madden with one SB, and he likely had his broadcasting career, commercials, and video game notoriety that added weight to his candidacy, and George Allen, whose teams never had a losing record.

I'm surprised that Pete got as many votes as he did. You have to remember that he got fired from two NFL HC jobs before he came to us. I think a lot of people are voting on emotion rather than logic.

I see both sides of this argument personally. I'm leaning towards Carroll NOT getting the nod. That being said, we did have Bill Cowher inducted into the HOF with only one ring.

All of that being said, I don't think Carroll gets it at the end of the day, especially if Holmgren hasn't. Quite honestly Holmgren deserved to be in the HOF before Bill Cowher.

Ahh, good call on Cowher. Not sure how I missed him. But in addition to his Lombardi, he coached the Steelers for 15 years. I agree with you that Holmgren should have made it before him as he took two different teams to SB's, but there's a bit of a bias in favor of anyone coming from the Cowboys or Steelers.

I still say that Pete is going to need another Lombardi.

 

[Rat]

There are currently 26 coaches in the Hall of Fame:

George Allen 1966-1977
Paul Brown 1946-1962
Guy Chamberlin # 1922-1927
Jimmy Conzelman # 1921-30, 1940-42, 1946-48
Bill Cowher 1992-2006
Tony Dungy 1996-2008
Weeb Ewbank 1954-1973
Ray Flaherty # 1936-1949
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992
Sid Gillman 1955-1969, 1971-1974
Bud Grant 1967-1983, 1985
George Halas # 1920-29, 1933-42, 1946-67
Jimmy Johnson 1989-1993, 1996-1999
Earl Lambeau # 1919-1953
Tom Landry 1960-1988
Marv Levy 1978-1982, 1986-1997
Vince Lombardi 1959-1967, 1969
John Madden 1969-1978
Earle Neale 1941-1950
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Steve Owen # 1930-1953
Bill Parcells 1983-1990, 1993-99, 2003-06
Fritz Pollard # 1919 - 1923, 1925-1926
Don Shula 1963-1995
Hank Stram 1960-1974, 1976-1977
Bill Walsh 1979-1988


There are some names on there that are well before my time, but I don't know how many of those you can be like "Pete compares favorably to them". Maybe Dungy, but I imagine at least part of his legend is being the first African-American coach to win the Super Bowl. He won a Super Bowl as a player too, although he only played three seasons, so I don't know how much that would have factored in.

 

[hawker84]

If there was an I don't care button I would've pushed it. I don't think he's done enough to get in at this stage, so I chose no. Tom Coughlin has accomplished more with his time in NY and isn't in.

 

[Scorpion05]

I love Pete and hope he gets in.

He created one of the most legendary defenses in NFL history. In fact, you can argue he literally laid the blueprint for modern NFL defenses, which is ironic because he didn't adjust to it. Everyone took Pete's system, tweaked and modernized it, while Pete is still holding on to the original. Stubbornly I might add.

There was a stretch of time when people genuinely thought that defenses would no longer be able to keep up with an increasingly high flying NFL with prolific offenses. Peyton Manning was leading that charge, and then Pete's defense literally SHUT it all down. Showing the importance of having fast linebackers and free safeties in an era that was defined by hard hitting but not fast linebackers like Ray Lewis and safeties like Ed Reed.

Pete changed NFL defenses forever. Much in the way that Bill Walsh changed offenses forever. The sad part is that top defenses are hard to sustain. But great QBs are forever, which is probably what will sink Pete's chances. Because the latter part of his Seahawks career will be defined by how he mismanaged his hall of fame QB. Who arguably, has changed the position in his own right and will get short QBs drafted for the next 10 years.

I really wish Pete would have adapted, and shifted to investing in what works (Russell Wilson). A smart, progressive man would have done that. But instead, to this day Pete still thinks his defense is the star of the show. It's sad really, especially when you look at Mike Tomlin and the Steelers. THAT man adapts frequently and morphs his team every year to win.

 

[RiverDog]

There are currently 26 coaches in the Hall of Fame:

George Allen 1966-1977
Paul Brown 1946-1962
Guy Chamberlin # 1922-1927
Jimmy Conzelman # 1921-30, 1940-42, 1946-48
Bill Cowher 1992-2006
Tony Dungy 1996-2008
Weeb Ewbank 1954-1973
Ray Flaherty # 1936-1949
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992
Sid Gillman 1955-1969, 1971-1974
Bud Grant 1967-1983, 1985
George Halas # 1920-29, 1933-42, 1946-67
Jimmy Johnson 1989-1993, 1996-1999
Earl Lambeau # 1919-1953
Tom Landry 1960-1988
Marv Levy 1978-1982, 1986-1997
Vince Lombardi 1959-1967, 1969
John Madden 1969-1978
Earle Neale 1941-1950
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Steve Owen # 1930-1953
Bill Parcells 1983-1990, 1993-99, 2003-06
Fritz Pollard # 1919 - 1923, 1925-1926
Don Shula 1963-1995
Hank Stram 1960-1974, 1976-1977
Bill Walsh 1979-1988


There are some names on there that are well before my time, but I don't know how many of those you can be like "Pete compares favorably to them". Maybe Dungy, but I imagine at least part of his legend is being the first African-American coach to win the Super Bowl. He won a Super Bowl as a player too, although he only played three seasons, so I don't know how much that would have factored in.

Thanks for the list. I was having a hard time finding one.

 

[JustTheTip]

Not on his current resume. One Lombardi ain't gonna cut it. Minimum for modern era coaches is 2. IMO Belichick is the only active coach that's sure to get in. Everyone else needs at least one more Lombardi. Tony Dungy could get in based on his race, being the first black HC to win a Lombardi and he wasn't a bad player that has a ring as a member of the Steel Curtain defense.

Of the post merger HOF coaches, Marv Levy took his teams to 4 consecutive SB's, Chuck Knoll has 4 Lombardi's, Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh both have 3. Parcells has 2 Lombardi's plus took two different teams to SB's and Bud Grant has 4 Grey Cups (remember, it's the Pro Football HOF, not NFL) plus took the Vikings to 3 SB's. The only odd balls are John Madden with one SB, and he likely had his broadcasting career, commercials, and video game notoriety that added weight to his candidacy, and George Allen, whose teams never had a losing record.

I'm surprised that Pete got as many votes as he did. You have to remember that he got fired from two NFL HC jobs before he came to us. I think a lot of people are voting on emotion rather than logic.

I see both sides of this argument personally. I'm leaning towards Carroll NOT getting the nod. That being said, we did have Bill Cowher inducted into the HOF with only one ring.

All of that being said, I don't think Carroll gets it at the end of the day, especially if Holmgren hasn't. Quite honestly Holmgren deserved to be in the HOF before Bill Cowher.

Ahh, good call on Cowher. Not sure how I missed him. But in addition to his Lombardi, he coached the Steelers for 15 years. I agree with you that Holmgren should have made it before him as he took two different teams to SB's, but there's a bit of a bias in favor of anyone coming from the Cowboys or Steelers.

I still say that Pete is going to need another Lombardi.

This. I think :

a) He wouldn't have even had a Super Bowl win with most other teams because the NFL wouldn't have handed him one.
b) Even if he did exactly the same thing with another team, he probably still isn't in the hall of fame.

 

[kf3339]

Based on what has been accomplished to date, not a chance. He may have built a SB winning team, but also blew up a dynasty because of his ego and just plain bad trades, draft picks and bad game management. You would have thought he knew his weaknesses and would have brought in innovative coordinators who were strong in play calling and game management. But no. He picks guys that are completely out of their league.

He is his own worst enemy and doesn't see it at all.

 

[West TX Hawk]

There are currently 26 coaches in the Hall of Fame:

George Allen 1966-1977
Paul Brown 1946-1962
Guy Chamberlin # 1922-1927
Jimmy Conzelman # 1921-30, 1940-42, 1946-48
Bill Cowher 1992-2006
Tony Dungy 1996-2008
Weeb Ewbank 1954-1973
Ray Flaherty # 1936-1949
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992
Sid Gillman 1955-1969, 1971-1974
Bud Grant 1967-1983, 1985
George Halas # 1920-29, 1933-42, 1946-67
Jimmy Johnson 1989-1993, 1996-1999
Earl Lambeau # 1919-1953
Tom Landry 1960-1988
Marv Levy 1978-1982, 1986-1997
Vince Lombardi 1959-1967, 1969
John Madden 1969-1978
Earle Neale 1941-1950
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Steve Owen # 1930-1953
Bill Parcells 1983-1990, 1993-99, 2003-06
Fritz Pollard # 1919 - 1923, 1925-1926
Don Shula 1963-1995
Hank Stram 1960-1974, 1976-1977
Bill Walsh 1979-1988


There are some names on there that are well before my time, but I don't know how many of those you can be like "Pete compares favorably to them". Maybe Dungy, but I imagine at least part of his legend is being the first African-American coach to win the Super Bowl. He won a Super Bowl as a player too, although he only played three seasons, so I don't know how much that would have factored in.

Also add Tom Flores who was elected this year with his 2 SB titles.

Other eligible coaches who won 2 SBs and aren’t in:
George Seifert
Mike Shanahan
Tom Coughlin

 

[West TX Hawk]

Based on what has been accomplished to date, not a chance. He may have built a SB winning team, but also blew up a dynasty because of his ego and just plain bad trades, draft picks and bad game management. You would have thought he knew his weaknesses and would have brought in innovative coordinators who were strong in play calling and game management. But no. He picks guys that are completely out of their league.

He is his own worst enemy and doesn't see it at all.

Definitely this. And the public, media and voting panel will eternally remember SB 49 in a similar way as Quinn choking away SB LI. There have been many eligible SB winning coaches who aren’t in and Pete will go down as a good coach who had consistent winning teams for a decade but not HOF worthy. He simply never maximized the talent he had.

 

[Jerhawk]

Based on what has been accomplished to date, not a chance. He may have built a SB winning team, but also blew up a dynasty because of his ego and just plain bad trades, draft picks and bad game management. You would have thought he knew his weaknesses and would have brought in innovative coordinators who were strong in play calling and game management. But no. He picks guys that are completely out of their league.

He is his own worst enemy and doesn't see it at all.

Definitely this. And the public, media and voting panel will eternally remember SB 49 in a similar way as Quinn choking away SB LI. There have been many eligible SB winning coaches who aren’t in and Pete will go down as a good coach who had consistent winning teams for a decade but not HOF worthy. He simply never maximized the talent he had.

I'm leaning towards this. Had we won Superbowl 49, or heck even if we lost but in a less embarassing fashion, Pete would get in. Maybe not first ballot, but when a bunch of his players start getting in he would've been selected with them.

At this point, it's not likely imo

 

[Rat]

Also add Tom Flores who was elected this year with his 2 SB titles.

Took him 28 years to get in too. If Pete gets in at all, it might be posthumously.

 

[RCATES]

Lol at anyone who voted yes. Pete and Russ were clearly carried by the LOB when the Hawks were relevant. Haven't been a serious contender since 2014. Pete should have been fired years ago. Soft fan base allowed him to stay.