"Why Walker when you can run"

[Appyhawk]

I'm a huge believer in making Charbs the RB1 and having KW3 as RB2 while we give Kenny Mac more touches and see how far he can take it.... But. A lot of fans are getting offended by this opinion and I don't understand why..

Don't let it get to you. There should never be an argument, just discussion. We all have our opinions and it is likely no two are exactly alike. That's what makes a place like this work. Until someone gets offended. Grain of salt and all that stuff. Shake it off and keep on keeping on.

 

[Appyhawk]

I just saw charts of all the gamestats, offense and defense, and the Seahawks didn't make top 10 in any of them, except one. Charbonnet was #1 in rushing yards today. Give him his due.

 

[Appyhawk]

Saw this quote on a CBS sports replay after the game, referring to Charbs. Found it funny thought I'd share.

Clever, funny piece of humor OP. That is something we could use more of around here. GOOD humor.

 

[Natethegreat]

Charbonet had a good game. It's also his first truly good game he has had since coming here. I'm glad he played well but Walker is a superior RB.

 

[Somos doces]

Charbonet had a good game. It's also his first truly good game he has had since coming here. I'm glad he played well but Walker is a superior RB.

Not to beat a dead horse in this thread, but this site could be so much more productive if people were to expound on their idiosyncratic observations, rather than just trying to drop a mic with absolute statements. Why do you feel "Walker is a superior RB," and how do you think those attributes contribute to the team winning NFL football games?

 

[bsuhawk]

Charbonet had a good game. It's also his first truly good game he has had since coming here. I'm glad he played well but Walker is a superior RB.

I don't think it's as simple as saying one is superior to the other. They are very different backs with very different skill sets. Without going into a lot of detail, Walker's speed and short area quickness make him a better zone blocking option than Charbonet. Charbonet's size, patience, and power make him a better gap blocking back. The thing is, while Grubb seems to favor zone blocking, the OL is much better at gap blocking, particularly the counter that Charbonet scored on. Charbonet is also a better blocker and a better check down option.

When Walker comes back it will be interesting to see how Grubb uses each of them. To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing more 2-back sets. I think Charbonet would be an excellent lead blocker for Walker.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Succeeding against THAT defensive line should not be changing any depth charts.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It is what it is. He had a great game. Not really that big of a deal. Wasn't trying to start an argument.

 

[Lagartixa]

With all due respect, might I suggest you guys define what “better” means to you? Without that shared understanding, this recurring debate will never be productive.

I think it's so cute that you think that debate can be productive in any way.

One of the participants you're asking to define terms for a rational debate says in this thread that the Seahawks have already exceeded his preseason expectations. In another thread from the last 12 hours or so, that same person says he's pissed he didn't bet on the Seahawks during preseason.

That is, some of the people you're hoping will define terns and then conduct a rational debate about the best current Seahawks running back are not even capable of holding a single consistent position on something as non-controversial as "in the preseason, how good did you expect this team to be in 2024?"

 

[themunn]

People have been hanging on to Walker because of his ability to break tackles and go for big runs - but he hasn't been able to do the basics i.e. trust the o-line and hit the hole before it develops. KWIII has been on a downward trajectory since his rookie season. He has talent ang big play ability but is not a guy we can rely on for ground and pound - over a third of his yards came in the first 2 games this year! That means that since week 4 he's put up 359 yards - less than 45 yards per game for 8 straight games (less than 3.2 YPC).

Charbonnet is a better pass protector and is better out of the backfield. He has also been significantly more productive in the RZ this year.

I think he has earned the right to start in place of KWIII, it could be that the latter has struggled with injury all year, but if you believe ZC has starter quality attributes at some point you have to allow him the opportunity to continue demonstrating.

 

[oldhawkfan]

More talented yes!!, but the better RB for this team right now?.. No.. I'm sorry to all Hawks faithful over here, but Walker hasn't proven to be the better RB this year that's the flat out truth here... I'm no expert, but I know if your Oline is struggling you need a one cut RB to relieve the pressure on them and Zach can and will do that, while Walker lll has danced and also missed holes all year....call me crazy, but the MacDonald "You gotta earn it" hit today and Walker lll is on notice...

Show me the “missed holes all year” by Walker.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This ^

What's more important is that the O Line FINALLY was opening holes for someone.

.02

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

People need to slow down on anointing Charb as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Listen, Charb, had a good day. But to compare this AZ game to any game in which Walker had a bad game is unfair and also an incorrect assessment and then to somewhat determine that Walker is and always has been inferior to Charb is delusional really.

Walker has been playing behind an offensive line that has been attempting to build chemistry gel and learning a complete new offensive and blocking scheme under new coaches. It was only recently a new RG started playing, the perceived most talented RT came back, and was included on this line, and Walker got hurt during this time.

So Charb got the start by default and some unity and the fact that the AZ defensive line might be the lesser talent of the past 4 weeks of course had nothing to do with Charb good day, right…..

Slow down on Charb and believing he was and is the more talented back.

Sample size is the most important aspect in this comparison and Charb had one good game in Week 14 when luckily pieces just happened to work out but that doesn’t mean Charb will always play under these conditions to generate these type of numbers any and every week.

Cool it and get a larger sample size, first, and look objectively….

 

[sutz]

Why do I get the feeling that fantasy football lies behind this argument?

 

[themunn]

People need to slow down on anointing Charb as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Listen, Charb, had a good day. But to compare this AZ game to any game in which Walker had a bad game is unfair and also an incorrect assessment and then to somewhat determine that Walker is and always has been inferior to Charb is delusional really.

Walker has been playing behind an offensive line that has been attempting to build chemistry gel and learning a complete new offensive and blocking scheme under new coaches. It was only recently a new RG started playing, the perceived most talented RT came back, and was included on this line, and Walker got hurt during this time.

So Charb got the start by default and some unity and the fact that the AZ defensive line might be the lesser talent of the past 4 weeks of course had nothing to do with Charb good day, right…..

Slow down on Charb and believing he was and is the more talented back.

Sample size is the most important aspect in this comparison and Charb had one good game in Week 14 when luckily pieces just happened to work out but that doesn’t mean Charb will always play under these conditions to generate these type of numbers any and every week.

Cool it and get a larger sample size, first, and look objectively….

Charbonnet has 3 starts this year, his first he ran for an appalling 38 yards on 14 carries, and 2 where he combined for 225 yards on 40 carries (91 & 134 on 18 and 22 respectively).

Meanwhile in Walkers last TWENTY games he has exceeded 90 yards just once (in the season opener this year). He has exceeded 80 yards just 4 times.

We don't need to anoint Charbonnet the best thing since sliced bread just yet - but the evidence on Walker is starting to point to him not being the elite talent everybody seems to think he is. If a guy can come in and do in 3 games what you've done in 20, maybe run blocking isn't the only issue.

 

[Natethegreat]

Charbonet understands and uses his blocking well. We changed it up for him and used a power gap scheme and it worked. That's awesome but it doesn't mean Charbonet is better.
Walker is faster has much better agility and while Charbonet may have a slight bit more contact balance Walker is a superior tackle breaker. He is a better RB over all.
I'm rooting for Charbonet. I'm glad he played well but it's also his first truly good game as a Seahawk.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Just so odd how quickly people are jumping on Car-Bonnet wagon and off the K9 wagon. Oh well, it is what it is

 

[jammerhawk]

The OLine was actually finally effectively run blocking at time yesterday. Big props to the whole Line but especially to the right middle. Charb's played well and I liked what we saw from KennyMc.

The game changes significantly for the team when they can run the ball.

 

[beaumaris]

Charbonet had a good game. It's also his first truly good game he has had since coming here. I'm glad he played well but Walker is a superior RB.

Would rather have Charbs in the red zone though.

 

[Natethegreat]

Would rather have Charbs in the red zone though.

Depends on the play call. Walker has a much better ability to get to the edge and beat people to the end zone. Charbonet would be better up the middle possibly but let's also remember that charbonet has failed on short yardage plenty this year. It's one great game by Charbonet folks. It feels huge because of our struggles this year but Charbs has struggled too till yesterday. Going to power gap had a big hand in it. Teams will adjust.