Why Are Fans So Upset?

[Ozzy]

Williams, Murphy, Reed, and Hankins combined with Mafe and Hall on the edges is a pretty formidable on-ball rotation. That's actually almost certainly a top 10 unit.

OL, sure, lacking talent - but we'd have bookends if Lucas had held up and Connor Williams is an acceptable center under most circumstances.

There's something nasty going on here coaching-wise. It shouldn't be this bad.

I just can't get behind this. The Dline is playing well. The second level is what has been killing them. For the offensive line how is it because Macdonalds is terrible? Lucas got hurt and multiple scouting sites listed Stone as the worst offensive lineman in the league when he started. So I guess what I'm saying is the defensive line has been fine for the most part and the offensive line had to deal with injuries and they did a poor job with the guard positions. That's not on Mike that's on the front office and a little bit of bad luck.

I'll say it again. People are making an argument that doesn't make sense. They're .500 with a rookie head coach who is supposedly doing a TERRIBLE JOB yet they should've kept the previous coach because he too was a .500 coach for 3 straight years? This makes no sense to me.

 

[Ozzy]

To my eyes and from what most of the film guys say, we're getting gashed because we're not cohesively fitting the run. Not because we're just getting outmatched on talent.

That's coaching.

Baltimore's 2023 defense faltered in run D down the stretch too.

Baltimore's 2023 defense was also the #1 defense in the league so again, you're claiming that same coach is doing a terrible coaching job yet he had the best defense in the league? Again not being snarky, it just doesn't make sense to me. In a Macdonald defense you give a little bit in the run game to be better in other areas. Every defensive system has this unless you get extremely lucky with personnel. I hate to beat this horse, but I said this about the defense the past 6 years and the same people saying Macdonald isn't coaching very well told me it can't be Pete's fault that the defense got worse year after year because he's a great coach.

Unless I'm misunderstanding it and you're saying they're just not good with their technique and they should be getting better? That could be fair I think?


All this to say that this is a very complex issue and we're all throwing darts trying to figure it out. Seahawks film guys, .net, Ex-players and coaches etc. and its probably not as cut and dry as we want it to be while we're debating each other lol.

Speaking of the Seahawk film guys. I love some of those guys but man they've also been really wrong on a bunch of stuff when I went back and looked at how things turned out.

 

[kidhawk]

Watching games knowing the outcome is gonna make them "feel" different
Still 9 games to go this season to see whats really up

Of course it’s different but that doesn’t change how I felt then. It was a team of players working together towards a goal. That isn’t what we have now. Macdonald needs to sort out those who aren’t 100% in and get rid of them.

 

[JPatera76]

Fans are pissed because of the want for immediate results, with no patience to willing to wait a yr or two for everything to work out

 

[hox]

Fans want to see some progress. Not severe regression in all 3 phases.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Fans want to see some progress. Not severe regression in all 3 phases.

Progress is hard to measure with the injuries and so little time they've had. I honestly believe the run defense is hampered by the LB's. MM is trying. He just went out and got Jones who is an upgrade from Baker. The Oline is just a shambles though and with the injuries and lack of cap space, i'm not sure how he's supposed to fix it without a magic wand. That's just going to take time and evaluation.

Grubb is probably the biggest question mark. I don't know what to think of him yet. To early to tell.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Why are fans upset? Delusions of grandeur.

I’m upset we’re 4-4, and after everything I heard of Macdonald I thought he could come in and take any squad and make them stout, but honestly that way of thinking was always kind of childish.

His situation, personnel, the whole franchise in Baltimore is different and expecting a 1:1 recreation of what he did there in his first year, in his first 8 games, wasn’t going to happen.

Fans that are calling for Mike’s head on a platter, psychoanalyzing him and the team as if they’re body language experts are or got their thumb on the pulse are just ranting and, like the rest of us, have no idea what goes on in those meetings or practices and are lashing out due to frustration, perhaps from inflated expectations of starting 3-0.

Or the other angle which are those that still clamor to Pete, as if we’d be 7-1 or 6-2 right now and be the team to beat under his wisdom, strategic mind and handsomeness.

No.

Pete was washed and the team isn’t a good as we all hopefully thought it was. Regardless of what we as fans think of our own team, we don’t have much in the way of talent just a lot of roleplayers, some of which are about to be grossly overpaid and shouldn’t be.

Though I think the ultimate blame is mixture of piss poor foundation by John and Pete, lack of talent, and raw coaching staff, I am gonna give more of an edge to blame on John. He ultimately is making the decision for drafts and FA and a lot of his building blocks over the years are failing to produce or are seriously underwhelming.

If you’re gonna start from anywhere, especially in terms of firing, gotta go with John.

 

[Seak]

Progress is hard to measure with the injuries and so little time they've had. I honestly believe the run defense is hampered by the LB's. MM is trying. He just went out and got Jones who is an upgrade from Baker. The Oline is just a shambles though and with the injuries and lack of cap space, i'm not sure how he's supposed to fix it without a magic wand. That's just going to take time and evaluation.

Grubb is probably the biggest question mark. I don't know what to think of him yet. To early to tell.

Theoretically he should get better as time goes on, which goes with your point of just give them a bit of time.
I dont watch much college football, Is the strategies and game planning that much different? Somethings a little different that some coaches flame out in the NFL, but it could also be the teams that they go too.
I think Grubb will be bare minimum "good enough"

 

[Rat]

People are way too stuck on the 4-4 thing, and frankly, I think most of those who are saying "Why is everyone so unhappy? Were you expecting the Super Bowl this year?" are purposely missing the point so they can flex themselves as more "rational" fans. Like I'm pretty sure OP knows the answer to the question he proposed.

In a vacuum, 4-4 is fine. It's about what I expected before the season, and I think a lot of us thought we'd be around there, give or take a game. That being said, not all 4-4s are the same. Are we an unheralded 4-4 team that is fighting for every yard, with leaders pushing players to their limits? Or is this a team that benefited from a very favorable early schedule and has largely imploded since, with constant mental errors, little pride, egregious displays of poor attitude, and the overmatched head coach looking on the brink of losing the locker room?

This isn't how I wanted to be 4-4. I'm not advocating for Mac to be fired; I'm perfectly happy giving him the chance to turn this around, but I think you'd have to be watching the games with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears to actually be encouraged with what the coaching staff has been doing lately.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Theoretically he should get better as time goes on, which goes with your point of just give them a bit of time.
I dont watch much college football, Is the strategies and game planning that much different? Somethings a little different that some coaches flame out in the NFL, but it could also be the teams that they go too.
I think Grubb will be bare minimum "good enough"

I honestly don't know either. Somebody smarter than me can answer that question. I just think the college game is more forgiving and you can take more chances get away with it. Sometimes a set college philosophy doesn't work at the next level.

 

[pittpnthrs]

People are way too stuck on the 4-4 thing, and frankly, I think most of those who are saying "Why is everyone so unhappy? Were you expecting the Super Bowl this year?" are purposely missing the point so they can flex themselves as more "rational" fans. Like I'm pretty sure OP knows the answer to the question he proposed.

In a vacuum, 4-4 is fine. It's about what I expected before the season, and I think a lot of us thought we'd be around there, give or take a game. That being said, not all 4-4s are the same. Are we an unheralded 4-4 team that is fighting for every yard, with leaders pushing players to their limits? Or is this a team that benefited from a very favorable early schedule and has largely imploded since, with constant mental errors, little pride, egregious displays of poor attitude, and the overmatched head coach looking on the brink of losing the locker room?

This isn't how I wanted to be 4-4. I'm not advocating for Mac to be fired; I'm perfectly happy giving him the chance to turn this around, but I think you'd have to be watching the games with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears to actually be encouraged with what the coaching staff has been doing lately.

I do know the answer, but I didn't want to come out and say that a lot of people are delusional.

As for the team with it's pride and attitude, what do you want from a bunch of players that know they are in a situation where they are backed up against a wall with being less talented and undermanned? The ones with any star power are immediately neutered from the play of the others. Makes life tough for them. The good players know the deal and are looking forward to next season. The bad ones don't even figure on being here.

Why so unencouraged? You have a coach that was dealt a crappy hand thats still hovering at the .500 mark. That's not the end of the world to me.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No way man, he's not 8-0, he sucks!!!!!

/sarcasm

 

[SeaWolv]

Is this team really underperforming? or are we hanging onto the underperformance of other teams as what this team is capable of? Maybe this team is not under or overperforming, and is just...performing what it is.

I can shoot 10 three pointers in basketball and maybe 3-4 shots I will actually make, but when I miss the other 6-7 (or realistically 8 lol) does that suddenly mean I'm underperforming what I'm capable of shooting? No..I'm performing as expected.

Compared to some fans expectations yes, not to mine however as I knew this season could get ugly.

 

[warden]

This year was just like last year, we are only going to bad good as our offensive line lets us be.

Going into this season we were going to have either a serious restructuring year or a pleasant surprise.

With time our defense will find their groove and impress but that Offensive line will be just that offensive. I don’t expect much out of them. This will in turn throw everything else off on he offensive side.

 

[warden]

As for the future of the teams coaching or management, we first need to address the future of the teams ownership. This team will go n the market in the near future. Could be this off season, could be next off season but it will eventually happen. New ownership will have different ideas

 

[warden]

Football has its trends. We are well overdue for a down trend.

So it is hard to get upset with a down turn coming our way. It is kind of expected. As long as we don’t follow some other teams in the league and stay in suckage muse for decades we will be ok

 

[knownone]

You don't think JS is spouting this stuff because he is feeling the noose tighten. He's on the hot seat too and probably should have been let go with Pete.

What will Jody and Vulcan think? They'll be wondering why the Oline is so bad when there were years and years for improvement. They'll be thinking the defense is bad, but not as bad as the past couple of season's. They'll also wonder why they waited so long for change and how they let it get to this point.

You are always talking about the high expectations the organization and JS. Don't you realize they are saying what they should be saying? Also, nobody on this planet, whether it's fans, NFL pundits, coaches, or FO's truly believes this roster has the talent to compete for the big prize. That's just not realistic.

John should feel the noose tightening, but think that logic through. If Seattle underperforms and John is fired, do you really think MM is getting three seasons to rebuild this roster as a lame-duck HC? If this team is last in the division, there's a chance both guys are out of a job.

Bad organizations set unrealistic expectations. And let's be clear: your assumption of why they are saying it doesn't make it true. That's you dismissing evidence for the sake of your argument.

When asked if this team is close to being a "championship-caliber" unit, Schneider was definitive in his answer.

"I do," he said.

 

[themunn]

I wouldn't say I'm upset. Losses happen and sometimes the chips don't fall your way.

I'm disappointed that run defense looks arguably worse than it did last year, when we have brought in the guy who had the league's #1 defense and is supposedly a defense mastermind. And obviously I'm disappointed we've gone from 3-0 to 4-4, so progress appears to be going backwards.

That said, Pete is/was a HoF caliber coach and anybody coming in was going to have a tough time replacing him. MM looked like he had done enough to get a bit more out of our guys than we had done in previous years but ultimately isn't quite there yet. So be it. The Lions, Niners and Bills are all good teams, if we had lost just those 3 games then I would be less concerned, but losing to the Giants (even though we were close to winning in the end) is a definite warning signal. Looking forward to the Rams, this is an opportunity to put down a marker against a team that we have struggled against for years now. Excited to see how it pans out.

 

[warden]

Losing four out of the last five games does sting

 

[Chapow]

Fans tend to get upset after an ugly loss. Even moreso when that ugly loss is a complete debacle. They looked like a dysfunctional mess out there yesterday. Of course fans are upset.