Why Are Fans So Upset?

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Could they not see or understand the state of the team? The Hawks are an average to bad team and have been for the past 3 or so seasons. For the life of me, I don't know how anybody truly thought they would beat Buffalo. There's an enomous amount of things that need fixed with only so many resources and so much time. I said it earlier on that I thought Seattle was probably the worst team in the division and that may be true. MM might not be the answer long term, but he's a proven defensive guy and he at least should have the team headed in the right direction by year 3. So calm down. It's going to be a process and it should have been expected.
 

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I will present my opinion with as even of a hand as possible, as it seems fun (genuinely, non-sarcastically) that our roles have reversed and I am now generally more sour on the HC than you are.

I understood what Mac was up against. Middling roster with some holes, but some real talent as well. I also understood that Mac seemed to be biting a hell of a lot off. First timers all across the staff, offense being totally run by a first time NFL OC, and he wanted to pull double duty by calling the defensive plays as well.

I also came into this knowing that respect in the NFL is earned, and culture isn't easy to build. Would Mac's message resonate as a Harbaugh disciple without the track record to back up that harder style of leadership?

Lot of questions.

Head coaches deserve patience. Reputable organizations don't rush. However, reputable organizations also don't dilly dally and will rip off the bandaid if they need to.

I don't think Mac should be immune from a one-and-done tenure here. I don't think it's likely that he'll be fired or that he's done enough to be fired. I think he should be if the wheels fall apart though.

You can't end year 1 without momentum. It spells doom. If we fall apart rather than finishing strong, that's bad. Falling apart is even forgivable if we're good enough to finish .500 regardless, but we won't be.

If this team spirals, then it's a Mora-esque situation and we need to nip it.

Carroll's first 2 teams finished below .500, but we could SEE a monster building. There are no signs of that yet. There are signs of increasing disorganization, though.

I'm worried. I'm not an overemotional flailer, but I'm worried.
 

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This is what happens when we win a few games, people think all the problems are magically gone. We will beat some mediocre teams and we will lose to the the better teams. That's the way it's gonna be for a couple of seasons. We all should have known this before the season started. This team is a work in progress and it will get better.
 

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Lots of fans including myself totally understand that there is a process when an entire new staff at different levels of experience is put together and it takes time to gel between coaches and players etc., and most fans probably had this game against the Bills marked down as a potential loss ( I know I did) But watching how the players executed plays from normal things as little as even just hiking the ball , lining up in correct positions for plays , how to wrap up on tackles , and how to fair catch a punt properly ( not laying down on your back trying to catch it with one hand ) just to name a few of the things that have been taught day one since most of these players were in pee wee football is what is making a lot of fans start questioning the process and effort put forth by the coaches , players and front office as even other teams who aren’t considered good still go out and give it the good try … it almost looks like alot of the time no one is trying and that’s what drives us fans crazy , is just try!!!
 
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My only response to that Mael is that the reputable organization of Seattle dilly dallied around with Pete Carroll. The current process the team is going through should have happened years ago.

We are different. I don't see finishing strong as a dire requirement. I would almost consider this a throw away season with a coach determining who needs to go and who needs to stay. MM isn't an idiot. He recognizes the areas that need work and i'm sure he'll address those areas.
 
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and most fans probably had this game against the Bills marked down as a potential loss ( I know I did)

Did you look at the prediction thread? Lol. A lot of fans can't see through their bias and believe the team to be so much better than it is.
 

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Yes , this season hopefully will help them weed out the bad ones and hopefully they get everyone on the same page but when fans question what’s going on , and most jump to the extreme of fire everyone it is almost understandable sometimes as it almost doesn’t make sense we can’t at least compete to a level that is at least respectable… trust me I’ve been a fan since the early 80’s and endured some really bad times but even back then they felt like they at least tried …. But I see what your saying too
 

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I'm certainly willing to give MM more time. He's a big "TBD" as far as I'm concerned. Look at what he's working with. That leads me to my next point. The guy I'm ready to move on from is John. This team isn't as talented as the casual outside observer thinks. Where are the stars? Where are the game wreckers? How many all pros has John drafted in recent years? The o line is the most important position group on a team, and he and his dumb philosophy has CONSISTENTLY fielded one of the worst ones in the league. He's been living off of his early accomplishments for years. The problem we have now if we move on from John is that any new GM worth a damn is gonna want to pick his own HC. We just gave MM a 6 year deal. What a mess.
 

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Did you look at the prediction thread? Lol. A lot of fans can't see through their bias and believe the team to be so much better than it is.
We are what we are a middle of the pack football team right now who will have flashes of greatness against mediocre teams because we do have some pieces in place like DK , Walker , JSN etc., but we again will only toe the fence to make the playoffs or not even sniff them it all depends how our team can responds in the next few weeks … I’m almost hoping we finish a little worse so it helps with our draft picks but I’ll take whatever the team gives us as long as they put forth effort ….
 

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My only response to that Mael is that the reputable organization of Seattle dilly dallied around with Pete Carroll. The current process the team is going through should have happened years ago.

We are different. I don't see finishing strong as a dire requirement. I would almost consider this a throw away season with a coach determining who needs to go and who needs to stay. MM isn't an idiot. He recognizes the areas that need work and i'm sure he'll address those areas.
This is different. Mac is a first timer. Carroll bought himself time by churning out like 10 seasons of 10+ wins in 14 years and then going 9-8 in 2022 when most expected 5 wins.

That leeway isn't there. There needs to be a clear vision on display. They NEED to have something to build on.
 

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High expectations are partly due to fans wanting to believe our talent level is better than it is, and partly due to overrating the differences in scheme between modern NFL teams. NFL teams quickly copy whatever is working for other teams. Kirwan used to talk about how innovations were generally effective for four games, as during the year teams generally focused on the last four games for scouting. The 2008 Dolphins were outliers and managed to get a full season out of the wildcat; up until they got dismantled by the Ravens in the playoffs and then everybody learned how to stop it over that off-season.

Consider that any of our opponents could have access to Macdonald's playbook from the Ravens last year or at Michigan if they want it, but it isn't some secret formula. Every NFL defense these days relies on multiple fronts, attempts to disguise their coverages pre-snap, uses read-react keys for the LBs, and generally tries to confuse the QB. There are minor philosophical differences; the Fangio system is often labeled back to front with more focus on the safeties football IQ, while Macdonald's system seems to put more focus on the ILBs football IQ. Macdonald also tends to have less down linemen in passing situations but that's also been a trend league wide over the last four seasons or so. The scheme wasn't the main problem last year and it isn't the problem this year; player talent and execution is always at least 80% of the answer in my view.

I'm not concerned that Macdonald doesn't have CEO strengths yet. That's to be expected when you hire a young coordinator who has never been the head at any level. It's the kind of thing you can learn with experience and mentorship as long as you aren't too arrogant, and Macdonald seems to be saying the right kind of things so far. He probably does need to get Grubb down out of the booth and spend more time on gameday looking at all three phases of the team.

It is worrisome that Spoon seems to have taken several steps back this year. That that may be a case of trying to make him into something that he isn't, rather than putting our #5 overall pick in the best situation to succeed. More optimistically it's just a steep learning curve, and more pessimistically Spoon isn't as good as we we were all hoping. How he plays during the remainder of this season is important.

I don't think John has the cushion to fire his new coaching hire after one season, and if Macdonald is one and done that's most likely because we brought in a new GM who wants to start fresh. Even then, the more likely outcome is that the new GM would give Macdonald one season to prove himself.
 

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The last 2 years we have finished 9-8 so I would describe us as average rather than bad. The majority of people of the forums were blaming Pete for us not being better, he was a dinosaur that had not changed with the times so under him we would never go deep into the play-offs. The mentality was a new coaching staff must be an improvement of Pete.

I was always wary of the change and while I aproved the selection of MM (if Pete had to go) I was concerned about the lack of experience in the senior coach staff overall.

Regarding yesterday, there is also a lot of recenct bias, we beat the Falcons so all out deficiencies must be fixed!. I was surpeised the bookies had us only -3 against the Bills but most of the predictions in the forums were that we would get the W.
 

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We definitely need to let Mike have at least one more year to see what he can do , if it gets worse next year then we can start the “Jim Mora” his ass talks ….lol
 

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