Where Have You Stood on Bevell?

[dontbelikethat]

He's alright, he has his ups and downs, but his downs are just like :34853_doh:... I definitely don't think he deserves as much blame as he receives on here, and at times he gets faulted for everything wrong with the team, but truly it is not always him or only just his.

 

[drdiags]

The only recent comparisons I have for Bevell are Knapp, Holmgren and Bates. Some of Knox, Flores and Erickson's OCs didn't stick out to me but my memory has faded. Sure, I would like to have someone like Sean Payton but I would imagine there would still be complaints. I liked when we had more of an edge to our offense toward a physical one but so far this year, seems we had set in motion plays based on Harvin being in the lineup.

The say most of the offense and defense is constructed during the OTAs and taught during training camp. I think MRob's release and more spread looks is partly due to those design changes/enhancements in the offense. Now they are stuck, do they revert back only to revert again when Harvin comes back? At least that is my simplistic look at things.

I just want an offense that can get 1 yd given 2-3 cracks at it. And get rid of QB sneaks or tricky FB 4th down draws on short yardage. If I were King .. ha ha! Okay, sleepy time.

 

[tdlabrie]

I chose average, only because I thought he was good last year. This year he sucks IMO. The St. Louis game is a good example. The Lambs were #30 in run defense!!! Lynch up the gut. Lynch up the gut. Lynch to the outside. Any of you see that?

So they put eight in a box. Big deal. Okay, so we have backup tackle problems (and sometimes inside the line). Dump quick passes across the middle. Screen passes. Quick passes to the sidelines to somebody out in space. Any of you see that?

I think he was completely befuddled, and maybe that's okay from a young position coach just learning, but not from the OC. I hope he's gone.

 

[IBleedBlueAndGreen]

Honestly there have been a few games where I've left the stadium or turned off the TV thinking "What the hell was that gameplan and why didn't we make adjustments." However I can't ever remember thinking that "We totally out-schemed the opposing defense and that was a great job of playcalling." I'm on the fence but leaning away from the side supporting Bevell. Too predictable.

 

[JerHawk81]

I actually think that he's above average.

Sure, he does some thing that I don't agree with, but virtually all of those decisions are defendable.

A few things to remember:
1- We are coming off a game with 2 back-up OT's vs 2 stud DEs.
2- We can be schemed against. Keep Wilson in the pocket and crowd the box, and our talent can be schemed against.
3- We are a defensive-minded team which puts a big emphasis on not making mistakes. Wilson putting up 300 yards a week probably means that he has more turnovers, and means that you have more loses.

 

[Sac]

I've never stood on him. Thought about nut punching him a few times though.

 

[Erebus]

Don't really care much for the wording of the options. "Always" doesn't apply here. I used to think he was a good OC, and now I think he's a bit below average. I have been able to make up my mind on him, so the "never" option doesn't really apply either.

 

[AROS]

I've never liked him and that's admittedly a pure gut feeling, can't-put-a-finger-on-it non x's and 0's fan perspective. Even when we are winning and riding high (7-1, well duh), I am never once heard in a room full of Seahawks fans talking about how good Bevell is and how grateful I am to have him. Maybe I should be but I kinda doubt it.

 

[seedhawk]

I would hazzard to say that, when PC is the head man, with Cable, Quinn, Norton, etc. in tow, Bevell just stays quiet, actually very very quiet and does what he is instructed to do.

 

[SmokinHawk]

I think Marshawn was being held out of the game as a matter of team discipline for flying the bird to Bevell. It seems to explain what happened Sunday. We are a running team yet Marshawn gets 8 carries? He wasn't hurt, something hush-hush was going on there.

 

[hawk45]

Takes time to evaluate an OC. At first his greatest attribute was that he wasn't Bates, calling deep throws on 3rd and shorts or whatever.

Now I can't stand the guy. I think he benefited last year from a league still catching up to the read-option QBs, and from Russell being Houdini. I don't think he's capable on his own of sinking our SB team but neither do I think he brings much more to the table than any average OC would bring who just didn't get cute and adjusted to what was going on in front of him.

 

[PlinytheCenter]

I think Marshawn was being held out of the game as a matter of team discipline for flying the bird to Bevell. It seems to explain what happened Sunday. We are a running team yet Marshawn gets 8 carries? He wasn't hurt, something hush-hush was going on there.

I really would hate to think that was the case. That kind of hubris ends up in a flame-out more times than not.

 

[tdlabrie]

I would hazzard to say that, when PC is the head man, with Cable, Quinn, Norton, etc. in tow, Bevell just stays quiet, actually very very quiet and does what he is instructed to do.

Instructed by whom? Pete is a defense guy, always has been. I imagine Cable can contribute, but I get the impression he's totally focused on his line. So who?

 

[SmokinHawk]

I think Marshawn was being held out of the game as a matter of team discipline for flying the bird to Bevell. It seems to explain what happened Sunday. We are a running team yet Marshawn gets 8 carries? He wasn't hurt, something hush-hush was going on there.

I really would hate to think that was the case. That kind of hubris ends up in a flame-out more times than not.

How else do we explain the frequency of empty backfields on 1st and 2nd down? When he was on the field, Marshawn was used more frequently for pass protection. The whole thing smells a bit to me.

 

[The Outfield]

Undoubtedly he has called the right plays at the right time and the wrong plays at the wrong time. So far, the former has won more games than latter has lost games.

I would not be all that interested in switching offensive coordinators unless Peter and/or John believe we should.

 

[Sports Hernia]

He runs on both ends for me. He's either fantastic or you wonder what the hell he was thinking.

This. IMHO the potential is there to be a good one, see the 3 game run last year where we scored 50, 58, and 42 points, and then there is the guy that has showed up most of this year. I'm not sold that he is very quick at and isn't very good at making adjustments if his original game plan isn't working.

Sure we are down 2 important linemen and one of the most explosive weapons in football when healthy, but that excuse is starting to wear thin along with my patience with the guy.

Am hoping getting "healthy" as mentioned will help him do his job better in the near future.

 

[Scottemojo]

I think Marshawn was being held out of the game as a matter of team discipline for flying the bird to Bevell. It seems to explain what happened Sunday. We are a running team yet Marshawn gets 8 carries? He wasn't hurt, something hush-hush was going on there.

I really would hate to think that was the case. That kind of hubris ends up in a flame-out more times than not.

How else do we explain the frequency of empty backfields on 1st and 2nd down? When he was on the field, Marshawn was used more frequently for pass protection. The whole thing smells a bit to me.

Bevell has been layering in more of those looks. IMO, it is to ease the return of Harvin.

On topic, the Bevell call that mystifies me the most is the 1 at 10 from our 8 where Russ had to lunge out of the end zone to prevent the safety. By this point in the game, it was clear that Russ had a guy assigned to blitz as soon as he turned his back for play action, and at that time we had not run the ball for shit anyway, so I don't know who the play action was intended to fool. In addition, they slid the pass protection right and had both Lynch and Robinson block Long (poorly). The gap the guy assigned to watch Wilson ran through was 4 yards wide, and Russ probably saved the game by barely avoiding the safety.

My biggest bone to pick with Bevell has been the huge number of play action plays when we so rarely take advantage of the zones behind the linebackers that play action is supposed to create anyway. It feels like we are taking home run hacks when we need singles.

 

[Tical21]

Dammit, I'll bite. My answer was, I have no idea. There have just been way too many factors going on. First, you had TJack. How can you judge the coordinator if you don't think he has a legit QB? Then you have a rookie QB and have to start with a smallish playbook. It is going to take some time for them to figure this out together. Then you have the O-line issues. How can you properly judge either Russell or Bevell when they don't have two seconds?

The passing game has underwhelmed. It is the WR's? Is it Bevell? Is it Russell?

We have Marshawn. His strenghts are between the tackles, and that is exactly where Bevell tries to use him.

We have Golden. He is best either on jump ball situations or on screens. That is where Bevell tries to use him.

We have Miller and Baldwin, who are presumably best over the middle, and that is where Bevell tries to use them.

We have a young, very mobile QB. And I think for the most part, Bevell tries to use him correctly too.

Because of these almost alone, I will say that I don't think Bevell is terrible.


So, I think Bevell has the right idea. Is he smart enough though to turn the gist of a player into production? I don't think he is fantastic at using motions and formations to get mismatches. But, then again, what type of player would Rice/Tate/Baldwin/Miller have a mismatch against? You would like to see more balls downfield to Rice, but to be honest, I don't think Russell trusted him.

Does he anticipate the defense and call the correct play accordingly? For the most part, I haven't watched enough tape to decipher the coverages and see what routes we are running against them. A few weeks ago, I watched the wide tape of three games to try to solve the riddle of our passing game. The way I judge a passing game is to pause the play in the 2-3 second range. Then I try to detect the coverage if I haven't read it pre-snap, look at the routes, try to determine the primary and secondary receivers, and see if there are guys about to break open. A bit difficult without knowing the plays, but you catch on to combinations after a while.

Much to my surprise (although one of the games was against JAX), there were more people coming open when they were supposed to than I thought there would be. Not always, but there were plenty of times where if Russell had thrown with anticipation, he could have thrown a receiver open. Now, is he coached to hold onto it and not throw unless he is sure, or is he just not anticipating?

Also, take into account that Bevell is a relatively green play-caller. Is it reasonable to assume he is going to keep improving and growing with Russell?

When we get Percy and the line back, and Russell has time, is Bevell going to be able to turn this into a dynamic, potent offense?

 

[Seahawks Guy]

I think he's doing a fine job. Hard to call him great, but I'm not willing to call for his head yet. It seems like everybody complains about their OC every once in awhile. I'm sure there is a legit reason for the play-calling against St Louis...and I'd be willing to bet it's because he thought it was the best way to WIN...which we did. St Louis' defense was a nightmare of a match-up.

 

[ivotuk]

On the St Louis game, I think he bought in to the hype and game planned accordingly. Then when he was getting his ass handed to him, it took him a while to realize what was happening and he had no idea how to adjust.

Stupid game plan this time around. They should have run the ball and run it some more.

Pay attention to this part Darrell Bevell; St Louis tried to stop the 49ers running game. Why? Because in a previous game, the 49ers were winning, Frank Gore was kicking ass, and they went away from the run and LOST.

So the Rams figured they might stop the run, but guess what, this time the 49ers STAYED with the run and Frank Gore racked up 153 YARDS with a 7.7 YPC average while the BACKUP RB racked up 49 yards on a 4.5 YPC average.

The 49ers went well OVER 200 YARDS ON THE GROUND BEV! Against the Rams, who rank in the lower half against the run.

So don't listen to the hype of "Seahawks will beat the Rams by 27 points" and stick with what got us here, HEAVY DOSES of Marshawn Lynch with some Turbin sprinkled in here and there just for spice.

In case you forgot Mr. Offensive Coordinator, our OLINE SUCKS at PASS BLOCKING, but does rather well at RUN BLOCKING thank you very much.

So the next time you face what is arguably THE BEST PASS RUSHING LINE in the NFL, don't throw the ball against them, because it will get your Franchise QB PULVERIZED in to the F****g ground azzhole!

Gawd I am so pissed about that game plan! What's been the big story this year? "Is Russell taking too many hits?" and what has Pete's answer been? "Yes!" So you don't set your prize, once in a lifetime QB up for failure and get him POUNDED. wtf...

52, that's how many sacks St Louis had last year. 8, the number of times the Rams sacked Russell Wilson LAST YEAR. That's 15 sacks by one team with one more game to go. So you think you want to pass the ball some more when they come to Seattle? Hey, might as well get that sack number up to 20 or 25. QBs grow on trees don't you know?