What Do You Blame The Loss On The Most?

What to you, was the biggest factor in the loss if you have to choose one thing?

  • Russell. He was just off.

    Votes: 6 5.6%
  • Injuries. Duh.

    Votes: 38 35.2%
  • Play Calling.

    Votes: 25 23.1%
  • Cardinals simply wanted it more.

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • All The Above.

    Votes: 29 26.9%
  • Other (read my comments)

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • Total voters
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Tusc2000

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kidhawk":3mwsmigy said:
I think it's a coin toss between injuries and coaching. When you have injuries, you just have to change up the game plan. Russell Wilson is your qb...use the man to the fullest.

When you have a ridiculous degree of injuries that take away many of your best players on D, even force you to use to your 4th string rookie RB who has had less than 5 carries this year... yeah, sure, you just have to change up your game plan, that's all LOL.

And as to why we didn't use Russ to the fullest? Because we are going to use Russ "to the fullest" next week -- when it is a far more critical game. You don't put your franchise player in harm's way unless you HAVE to. Next week we HAVE to.
 

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Tusc2000":1flu7prl said:
kidhawk":1flu7prl said:
I think it's a coin toss between injuries and coaching. When you have injuries, you just have to change up the game plan. Russell Wilson is your qb...use the man to the fullest.

When you have a ridiculous degree of injuries that take away many of your best players on D, even force you to use to your 4th string rookie RB who has had less than 5 carries this year... yeah, sure, you just have to change up your game plan, that's all LOL.

And as to why we didn't use Russ to the fullest? Because we are going to use Russ "to the fullest" next week -- when it is a far more critical game. You don't put your franchise player in harm's way unless you HAVE to. Next week we HAVE to.

It's obvious that injuries played a role, but when you are down to one RB and he's your 4th string RB, you can't continue on with a game plan that puts so much weight on the run game, especially when we have weapons in the passing game.

Also, if we are using the short passing game to make up for the lack of running, that would allow Wilson to get rid of the ball quickly and use his throwing talents and abilities to read the field quickly without putting him at significant risk. Nowhere did I say he needed to become the replacement runner.
 

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Like others have said, it was absolutely a combination of factors.

However Pete and co have had piss poor coaching moments/adjustments/etc at many various points this year and the team didnt look like they did yesterday.

Injuries are a part of the game, but not to this extent. This is beyond brutal. No team, but especially a team in Seattle that already had a razor thin edge of winning their games, was going to survive SO MANY key guys going down.

To vote anything other than injuries is just silly.

Yes Pete and crew sucked yesterday, in an alarming way. Yes the anti Pete crowd wants to hammer that point home. But a team with a healthy roster does not lose that game, end of story.
 

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I chose play calling but that's a generic term that needs to implicitly include Pete's in game decision making sucks, schotty went full last year's playoffs mode dumb, and we didn't dial up enough pressure against a career backup.

The gameplan was obvious. Don't play with a unapologetic reckless abandon. Play close to the hip and wear them down until our ''superior'' talent takes over the game.

Just tired of playing to win in the fourth quarter. Can we treat the GD first half as such ONE TIME and play to win the second quarter or something?
 

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Hawkpower":26mambmk said:
Like others have said, it was absolutely a combination of factors.

However Pete and co have had piss poor coaching moments/adjustments/etc at many various points this year and the team didnt look like they did yesterday.

Injuries are a part of the game, but not to this extent. This is beyond brutal. No team, but especially a team in Seattle that already had a razor thin edge of winning their games, was going to survive SO MANY key guys going down.

To vote anything other than injuries is just silly.


Yes Pete and crew sucked yesterday, in an alarming way. Yes the anti Pete crowd wants to hammer that point home. But a team with a healthy roster does not lose that game, end of story.

This is my opinion as well.

Just waaaaay too many injuries to overcome at this point.
 

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I blame the loss on Pete and his rigid philosophical schemes, on both sides of the ball.

He built an offense around punching people in the mouth with gigantic concrete footed mauling O-linemen, and a big bruising RB, which allows Russell to use play action effectively to make explosive plays downfield..........and when all the evaporates due to injury and/or falling behind on the scoreboard, this offense is incapable of changing gears and figuring out how to move the ball and score.

He also built a defense predicated on having the personnel to run his cover 3 with an elite FS and versatile D-line that can get after the QB.........and like the offense, when injuries and 2nd stringers come in, this defense turns into a unathletic poor tackling mistake machine that can't get out of it's own way or stop even the most mediocore of offenses.

So all the people who are saying "hey, it's the injuries!" Yeah, injuries are obviously a BIG deal. But the even bigger deal, and the elephant in the room here is we can only win one way, and if that way isn't working? We're SCREWED.
 

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Injuries are the biggest reason for the loss, but coaching is the biggest reason we didn't make the most of what we had. Losing is forgivable under the circumstances; what we saw out there yesterday mostly wasn't.

Did it really feel like we went down swinging? That was my biggest issue.
 

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xray":1pznaaoc said:
To be brutally honest ; this 11-5 team plays like an 8-8 team that got lucky . What's to blame ? They just aren't as good as their record . Simple as that .

The decimated version isn't as good. Or you could say we played like a 12-4 team that was heavily decimated with injuries. The moderately decimated version of our team won several East Coast 10am road games. 8-8 teams don't tend to do that a lot. It could be fair to say we play like a 10-6 team that has had a couple missed potential GW FGs go our way.

kidhawk":1pznaaoc said:
I think it's a coin toss between injuries and coaching. When you have injuries, you just have to change up the game plan. Russell Wilson is your qb...use the man to the fullest. We can survive one game against a lesser opponent making a bunch of quick throws instead of running the ball. I think once we lost our RBs, the coaching staff just failed to adjust the game plan. Next man up just can't always apply in the middle of a game.

Makes me think, Pete needs to apply "Next Man Up" to the coaching staff too. Except there, it becomes, "NEXT PLAN UP" for adjusting in-game to situations. In the Cards game, if our PLAN was a player, it was like kept trying to hobble the same ol' injured PLAN out there. Say, metaphically, our PLAN was a healthy Russell, but then he tweaked a hamstring, our first "adjustment" was to put a band-aid on it and hope, and then when that didn't work, our next "adjustment" was to give him aspirin and tell him to "run harder!" Pete would need to adopt NEXT PLAN UP as a part of his program, and cover it with his coaches in their game planning, and their practice preparations. It looked like Schotty, in particular, was at a total loss on making adjustments. This could be Pete's failing, as much as Schotty's, in that Schotty didn't feel authorized to make the needed adjustments, until it was way too late. After all, the team did get within one score in the 4th quarter. All that did was scramble Pete's brain, "It's working! We're coming back!" Unfortunately, as others pointed out, we don't have our 2013-2014 elite defense.

Fade pointed out in another thread how John Harbaugh has an analytics guy (or three?) to advise him on things like 4th down decisions and game adjustments. Perhaps Pete's next "Always Compete!" adjustment needs to be to use these types of approaches and tools more and better himself for game management, as a proactive thing, to keep him from screwing up obvious things like he did on the first 4th down from the Cards 32, where he should have gone for it. Pete's model of this game was all wrong, and he couldn't let go of it to see the reality of how this game would likely unfold, with the injuries and all the backups playing at key positions, and all the O-Line playing out of position.

Seymour":1pznaaoc said:
None of the above. Oline piss poor pass protection was the top reason we lost. Once the #1 and #3RB's went down and the running game lost balance, they had no shot at protecting Wilson.
Any team with a good Dline hands us our ass because of this and it's been that way the entire Pete Carroll era because of the run blocking emphasis.

Dude, sometimes I'm not on board with your thoughts, but this time you NAILED IT. This is the Seahawks story, notably with the Rams from the Fisher era on, and certainly the story of the Cardinals game. How the HELL did we get to the Super Bowl two years in a row, with that crap Tom Cable O-Line? OK, Lynch, the Read Option Run, and Russell's scrambling ability. And maybe Bevell adjusted for that more than we ever gave him credit for. All those failed bubble screens Bevell ran? Maybe that simply showed we had the defense stretched out wide enough they were covering that stuff. Yesterday showed we still have NO ANSWER for teams with dominant D-Lines when our O-Line is less than 100% strength.
 

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Momentum. At this point of the season teams are playing for different reasons. The Hawks are playing for High stakes in the playoffs, the Cards are playing for the future. This game started out great for the Hawks and the Cards. Our injuries piled up but I believe the Hawks had the opportunity to seize it but the Cardinals grabbed it first and never let it go. Even when their starting QB went out early in the second half. The Hawks had their opportunities but could not grasp it. Momentum.
 

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Hundley isn't a scrub he played pretty well for the Packers when Aaron was hurt, plus he practiced against our defense a lot.
 

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It's simple, in our first drive we ran 4 times, threw 4 times. We changed cadence on every play, we had layered routes. Wilson was 4 for 4 the run game was getting chunks, the defense was off balance sis know what was commi g or when, quick count, no count, long count. Then after that back to the same old everyone knows run plays, and the typical everyone go long routes. We refuse to use what works for a whole game.
 

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Didn't adapt well to the injuries or cardinals schemes.
 

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What happened last week was a very banged up team that has been inflated even when healthy due to its record getting simply unlucky on the high variance/low frequency chunk plays that its QB excels on.

That's basically the long and short of it, IMO.
 

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Once Carson went out, there was no real threat and Wilson was a sitting duck. Injuries,poor blocking, and no run game.

Cards won their SB.

One thing that really bothered me was KJ looking like he made a business decision letting Fitz score. It wasnt a game changer but was it tough to see.
 

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Lack of quick passing. What happened to the slants?
 

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John63":2zgcnexa said:
It's simple, in our first drive we ran 4 times, threw 4 times. We changed cadence on every play, we had layered routes. Wilson was 4 for 4 the run game was getting chunks, the defense was off balance sis know what was commi g or when, quick count, no count, long count. Then after that back to the same old everyone knows run plays, and the typical everyone go long routes. We refuse to use what works for a whole game.

Agree. Coaching blew it. Not sure why they left Jamarco Jones on an island with no help against AZs best player the entire game. Not sure why they reverted back to the 'let the playclock run to 0' approach when the first drive was a thing of beauty. Did they even attempt another jet sweep after it actually worked perfectly?

I don't care who your coordinators are, it's Pete's job to get their heads out of their asses. He was having his own pronlems though.
 
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