We're an average offense.

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pehawk":1aab66ca said:
Zebulon Dak":1aab66ca said:
SonicHawk":1aab66ca said:
The combined record of the opponents we've beaten is 11-18. The team with the best record we've played we lost.

If we hadn't beaten those 5 teams the combined record of our opponents would be 16-13. Eh?

Quit creating rips in the space-time continuem, kay?

Why? It's not like the Doctor is currently busy.
 

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Zebulon Dak":29w68flk said:
SonicHawk":29w68flk said:
The combined record of the opponents we've beaten is 11-18. The team with the best record we've played we lost.

If we hadn't beaten those 5 teams the combined record of our opponents would be 16-13. Eh?
 
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Zebulon Dak":1h2hwiaj said:
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The combined record of the opponents we've beaten is 11-18. The team with the best record we've played we lost.

If we hadn't beaten those 5 teams the combined record of our opponents would be 16-13. Eh?

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Like I said, we are top 10 or better in 3 of the 4 major statistical categories for offense. Passing is the only stat that we aren't big on, but that's just not how we play offense. We are a run first team. It's as simple as that, and its lead us to success thus far. Again, like I said earlier, we've done all that without our biggest FA acquisition, and a decimated O-line. I'll take it.
 
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Perfundle":c1xktvh0 said:
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Is that supposed to somehow make me feel better? That other teams playing average football won the Super Bowl?

Right now, and yes, it's very early in the season, but we haven't separated ourselves from the pack in any sort of way. You can't say the same for a team like Denver, Kansas City or even New Orleans.
Given your pessimistic posting style, I don't think you even want to feel good about the team. Convenient that you ignored the record of Kansas City and Denver's opponents; the best opponent either one has beaten is 3-3. And no, New Orleans and Kansas City haven't separated themselves from the pack in any way, except record-wise. You're pointing out Seattle struggling in some of their games, but leave out New Orleans barely beating Tampa, or Kansas City barely beating Dallas? Every team except possibly Denver has many issues, and even there Denver's defense isn't looking impressive at all.

It's completely possible to criticize aspects of the team without panicking over their playoff chances, as if other teams don't also have a myriad of issues to deal with.

I'm not worried about their playoff chances. The Seahawks are a playoff team. We are a very good team.

It's not that we can't win a SB with an average/slightly above average offense with a great defense, it's that I want this team to look like the obvious favorite like they were preseason.
 

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Several things...

Yeah...we're 5-1. That's fantastic. Meaningless at this point...how many teams have started 5-1 and didn't make it to the Superbowl? A lot. This thread is a discussion about an opinion that is very valid. Our offense is Lynch and Wilson...together they are willing us to victories. Without Wilson...we may very well be 1-5.

Overall offensive stats are ridiculous...YPG and PPG...what do they tell anyone about how productive our "team" has been? They tell us absolutely nothing. Again, nobody is sitting here complaining about Wilson...the problems lie within our offense as an entire unit.

Part of the reason is the OLine, obviously. But Wilson buys time better than anyone and still can't get the ball to our WR corps in the redzone. That's a problem.

Our offense is average. Maybe in a time when NO is 1-5 and Peyton isn't breaking records, average would do...but in this time and place, in this moment, in this season when our goals have grown to championship levels it is IMPERATIVE that we have an efficient, highly effective offense...in order to meet those goals. Our defense is stout, for sure...but watch this week when Denver goes to Indy and see how a stout, physical defense does against Peyton and crew. Let's see how KC does against that machine.

Our team, right now, is not on the level we expected to be, so there is concern. The reasons are many, some more convoluted than the others...but this thread is spot-on IMO. We are average.
 

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LoneHawkFan":1imd2e31 said:
Our offense is average. Maybe in a time when NO is 1-5 and Peyton isn't breaking records, average would do...but in this time and place, in this moment, in this season when our goals have grown to championship levels it is IMPERATIVE that we have an efficient, highly effective offense...in order to meet those goals. Our defense is stout, for sure...but watch this week when Denver goes to Indy and see how a stout, physical defense does against Peyton and crew. Let's see how KC does against that machine.

The Cowboys went up against that "machine" and put 48 points on them. The Jacksonville Jaguars played the best game against Denver this year and Jacksonville sucks. Denver is not unstoppable and a top 10 offense that's played 4 top eleven defenses is far from average.
 

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Sarlacc83":1jv82we9 said:
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Our offense is average. Maybe in a time when NO is 1-5 and Peyton isn't breaking records, average would do...but in this time and place, in this moment, in this season when our goals have grown to championship levels it is IMPERATIVE that we have an efficient, highly effective offense...in order to meet those goals. Our defense is stout, for sure...but watch this week when Denver goes to Indy and see how a stout, physical defense does against Peyton and crew. Let's see how KC does against that machine.

The Cowboys went up against that "machine" and put 48 points on them. The Jacksonville Jaguars played the best game against Denver this year and Jacksonville sucks. Denver is not unstoppable and a top 10 offense that's played 4 top eleven defenses is far from average.

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We have no ability whatsoever to complete a pass for a 3rd down. That is a MAJOR issue, 5-1 or not. I'm not making too many comments on our offense until the cavalry comes back, but it is alarming that we've completed 2 first downs through the air in our last 25 or so chances.
 

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themunn":5lsucbo0 said:
Sarlacc83":5lsucbo0 said:
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Our offense is average. Maybe in a time when NO is 1-5 and Peyton isn't breaking records, average would do...but in this time and place, in this moment, in this season when our goals have grown to championship levels it is IMPERATIVE that we have an efficient, highly effective offense...in order to meet those goals. Our defense is stout, for sure...but watch this week when Denver goes to Indy and see how a stout, physical defense does against Peyton and crew. Let's see how KC does against that machine.

The Cowboys went up against that "machine" and put 48 points on them. The Jacksonville Jaguars played the best game against Denver this year and Jacksonville sucks. Denver is not unstoppable and a top 10 offense that's played 4 top eleven defenses is far from average.

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Dah, you're right. For some reason, I counted the AFC as 2 instead of 3 even though I went through Titans, Texans, and Colts in my head.
 

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Not even halfway done, 3 road games done, 5-1, played good defenses....bitch....bitch....bitch.
 

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Is it time for the "They are who we thought they are" vid?

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2nd in running, 26th in passing. Pretty average.
They were 3rd in running and 29th in passing last year. Were they average last year too?

Seattle has so few drives per game that of course the yardage is going to be artificially lowered.
 

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Sarlacc83":1v0cela8 said:
themunn":1v0cela8 said:
Sarlacc83":1v0cela8 said:
LoneHawkFan":1v0cela8 said:
Our offense is average. Maybe in a time when NO is 1-5 and Peyton isn't breaking records, average would do...but in this time and place, in this moment, in this season when our goals have grown to championship levels it is IMPERATIVE that we have an efficient, highly effective offense...in order to meet those goals. Our defense is stout, for sure...but watch this week when Denver goes to Indy and see how a stout, physical defense does against Peyton and crew. Let's see how KC does against that machine.

The Cowboys went up against that "machine" and put 48 points on them. The Jacksonville Jaguars played the best game against Denver this year and Jacksonville sucks. Denver is not unstoppable and a top 10 offense that's played 4 top eleven defenses is far from average.

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Dah, you're right. For some reason, I counted the AFC as 2 instead of 3 even though I went through Titans, Texans, and Colts in my head.

I had not realized that, but your right...Texans, Panthers, Colts, 49ers, and Titans--ALL TOP 11 defenses in yards/game average in the league and we beat them all.
 

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Sarlacc83":1iupuw5f said:
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Our offense is average. Maybe in a time when NO is 1-5 and Peyton isn't breaking records, average would do...but in this time and place, in this moment, in this season when our goals have grown to championship levels it is IMPERATIVE that we have an efficient, highly effective offense...in order to meet those goals. Our defense is stout, for sure...but watch this week when Denver goes to Indy and see how a stout, physical defense does against Peyton and crew. Let's see how KC does against that machine.

The Cowboys went up against that "machine" and put 48 points on them. The Jacksonville Jaguars played the best game against Denver this year and Jacksonville sucks. Denver is not unstoppable and a top 10 offense that's played 4 top eleven defenses is far from average.

The Cowboys lost at home after putting up 48 on them. I didn't say anything about Denver's defense...the fact that you point this out actually strengthens my stand. Dallas has a better OLine than we have, they have a stud WR1 and a stud blocking and catching TE, and a very effective QB (that does play bad when the game is on the line). They lost the game.

Jacksonville lost the game. I'm no mental giant, but it's quite likely that most of Denver's players weren't giving 110% on that day, either. I'm just not sure all things are equal there. Denver still won that game...6-0.

Can we beat Denver at home? Yes, if we play flawlessly. I would say there is less room for error on our squad, even at home. We were ho-hum against an injured Tennessee team. How would we have done yesterday against Denver playing like that?
 

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LoneHawkFan":2fx46fdv said:
Sarlacc83":2fx46fdv said:
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Our offense is average. Maybe in a time when NO is 1-5 and Peyton isn't breaking records, average would do...but in this time and place, in this moment, in this season when our goals have grown to championship levels it is IMPERATIVE that we have an efficient, highly effective offense...in order to meet those goals. Our defense is stout, for sure...but watch this week when Denver goes to Indy and see how a stout, physical defense does against Peyton and crew. Let's see how KC does against that machine.

The Cowboys went up against that "machine" and put 48 points on them. The Jacksonville Jaguars played the best game against Denver this year and Jacksonville sucks. Denver is not unstoppable and a top 10 offense that's played 4 top eleven defenses is far from average.

The Cowboys lost at home after putting up 48 on them. I didn't say anything about Denver's defense...the fact that you point this out actually strengthens my stand. Dallas has a better OLine than we have, they have a stud WR1 and a stud blocking and catching TE, and a very effective QB (that does play bad when the game is on the line). They lost the game.

Jacksonville lost the game. I'm no mental giant, but it's quite likely that most of Denver's players weren't giving 110% on that day, either. I'm just not sure all things are equal there. Denver still won that game...6-0.

Can we beat Denver at home? Yes, if we play flawlessly. I would say there is less room for error on our squad, even at home. We were ho-hum against an injured Tennessee team. How would we have done yesterday against Denver playing like that?

No it significantly weakens your stance because it points out that the Broncos are prone to lapses. Also, you have a strange amount of love for a 3-3 team in the Cowboys.
 

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LoneHawkFan":36hjaxjv said:
Jacksonville lost the game. I'm no mental giant, but it's quite likely that most of Denver's players weren't giving 110% on that day, either. I'm just not sure all things are equal there. Denver still won that game...6-0.

Can we beat Denver at home? Yes, if we play flawlessly. I would say there is less room for error on our squad, even at home. We were ho-hum against an injured Tennessee team. How would we have done yesterday against Denver playing like that?
Seattle was nowhere near flawless against Denver in the preseason game for the duration of the game that Manning played, especially on defense, and they ended up leading 27-7.

As for your hypothetical, how would a team not featuring Henne have done against Denver yesterday? You excuse Denver's performance by suggesting that they weren't giving 110%, but isn't it possible that you could say the same for Seattle?
 

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