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SalishHawkFan":cwbqv1k9 said:
All of those things are true, but the one loss we DO have came because of the refs. THAT'S why we should be 10-0.

Variance comes in a lot of different forms in football. Bounces, tips, plays determined by inches (see: absolutely crucial Baldwin catch in Houston that can only be a combination of awesome skill and good luck).

Why do swings in luck from officiating somehow matter more than other swings in luck?
 

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SalishHawkFan":3dowrpck said:
All of those things are true, but the one loss we DO have came because of the refs. THAT'S why we should be 10-0.
This does have at least some validity uninfortunately. Only some though given there's so many factors contributing to a win or loss.
 

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MidwestHawker":1vxt349h said:
SalishHawkFan":1vxt349h said:
All of those things are true, but the one loss we DO have came because of the refs. THAT'S why we should be 10-0.

Variance comes in a lot of different forms in football. Bounces, tips, plays determined by inches (see: absolutely crucial Baldwin catch in Houston that can only be a combination of awesome skill and good luck).

Why do swings in luck from officiating somehow matter more than other swings in luck?
Because ball bounces are luck. Baldwins catch is skill, not luck. The refs deciding the game is sooo not luck. Besides, this is a game of skill, not luck, but as in all life, luck factors into it. A refs mistake that decides the game, however, isn't "luck", it's error. So, by the English definition of the word "should", we SHOULD be 10-0.
 

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SalishHawkFan":3kkv1f02 said:
MidwestHawker":3kkv1f02 said:
SalishHawkFan":3kkv1f02 said:
All of those things are true, but the one loss we DO have came because of the refs. THAT'S why we should be 10-0.

Variance comes in a lot of different forms in football. Bounces, tips, plays determined by inches (see: absolutely crucial Baldwin catch in Houston that can only be a combination of awesome skill and good luck).

Why do swings in luck from officiating somehow matter more than other swings in luck?
Because ball bounces are luck. Baldwins catch is skill, not luck. The refs deciding the game is sooo not luck.

Of course catching a bad call is luck. What else could it be? It's an event that takes place that affects win probability that the team has little control over.
 

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I should be the starting quarterback of the Seahawks just winding down my career and getting ready to step into the head coach role working my way up to GM then owner. Then going home to my darling wife Emma Stone JSeahawks.

But in reality, i'm just another single dude living month to month.

We're 9-1. I'm fine with the reality.
 

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Honestly, I'd rather not have the pressure and attention associated with being an undefeated team (as long as we get home field advantage).
 

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Bad officiating is all part of the variance of the game. We accept an error rate from fielders in baseball, we accept a certain number of drops from receivers, fumbles from running backs, but somehow we as fans expect a 100% accuracy rate from these officials, who are human like the rest of the examples. It's unrealistic. So a certain number of bad calls are inevitable, and the swings that result from them are - wait for it - luck. It is what it is.

Yes we were quite unlucky in Indy. But you're trying to have it go only one way.
 

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Fans of sports teams go decades without tasting this kind of success.

Reality is more than meeting my expectations. I'm totally cool with 9-1 and I'm so happy to be enjoying this ride with my fellow 12s.

::fist bump::
 

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*correction* we COULD be 10-0, just as easily as we COULD have been 5-5 given how close a lot of our games were this season so far. So lets just be happy with the 9-1.
 

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MidwestHawker":3ammgr1j said:
SalishHawkFan":3ammgr1j said:
All of those things are true, but the one loss we DO have came because of the refs. THAT'S why we should be 10-0.

Variance comes in a lot of different forms in football. Bounces, tips, plays determined by inches (see: absolutely crucial Baldwin catch in Houston that can only be a combination of awesome skill and good luck).

Why do swings in luck from officiating somehow matter more than other swings in luck?

Because "lucky" plays happen to good teams more than bad teams - a ball being tipped three/four times and caught by the defender (I can't remember which game it was early in the season) looks like luck but in reality is the result of hours at VMac practicing tipping the ball when you can't catch it. Baldwin making clutch catches on the sidelines looks like luck when in reality, he and Wilson have practiced scramble drills, coming back to the ball and catching the ball on the sidelines more times than you can imagine during the offseason and midweek.

The refs calling pass interference on a perfectly executed play is the result of ineptitude from the referees, and a deciding factor in the game that the players have no control over and cannot practice to make better because they are already executing perfectly.
 

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The Colts game had a turning point and that was the blocked FG for a TD. Before that, the blocked punt that could/should have been a TD but ended up being a safety helped setup that game for a loss. But the bottom line is that the Seahawks gave up a bomb on a very simple play and they could not cover TY Hilton all day. Plus they were one of the few teams that made Trent Richardson seem like a legit runner.

Some of the team's fans have very slanted views of things. One minute the team is pathetic because they didn't annihilate the Bucs, then it is they should be undefeated except the refs screwed the team. Maybe it is all in jest and the joke is on me because I think these folks are serious?

Oh, I get it. You are just clowning me. Pretty good stuff.
 

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themunn":2ljo9ln0 said:
MidwestHawker":2ljo9ln0 said:
SalishHawkFan":2ljo9ln0 said:
All of those things are true, but the one loss we DO have came because of the refs. THAT'S why we should be 10-0.

Variance comes in a lot of different forms in football. Bounces, tips, plays determined by inches (see: absolutely crucial Baldwin catch in Houston that can only be a combination of awesome skill and good luck).

Why do swings in luck from officiating somehow matter more than other swings in luck?

Because "lucky" plays happen to good teams more than bad teams - a ball being tipped three/four times and caught by the defender (I can't remember which game it was early in the season) looks like luck but in reality is the result of hours at VMac practicing tipping the ball when you can't catch it. Baldwin making clutch catches on the sidelines looks like luck when in reality, he and Wilson have practiced scramble drills, coming back to the ball and catching the ball on the sidelines more times than you can imagine during the offseason and midweek.

The refs calling pass interference on a perfectly executed play is the result of ineptitude from the referees, and a deciding factor in the game that the players have no control over and cannot practice to make better because they are already executing perfectly.

I probably shouldn't have thrown in the Baldwin catch just because I should have foreseen how it would be contested, though I do stand by what I said. There literally wasn't an unused blade of grass between Baldwin's feet and the sideline on that Baldwin catch, and it was obviously quite skillful, but that's a play where if you move half an inch in the wrong direction you're out of bounds. To chalk it up as though it couldn't have gone any other way even while Baldwin made an amazing play is something I disagree with.

Setting that aside, the better comparison is probably that between officiating gaffes and the luck of some bounces, most notably on fumbles. Something like that Lynch fumble that ended up in Russell's hands against Tennessee was pure luck and no different from an officiating blunder at all in terms of fortune prevailing for one side over another. Again, variance happens and is out of our control, and sometimes the luckier team prevails. If you think that officiating blunders are the only form of luck that happens in football then I guess I won't contest the point any further, but needless to say that I disagree.

There's no way this team deserves 10-0. Like others, I'm quite happy we're 9-1.
 

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