We have arguably the top QB in NFC - The time is now

[Uncle Si]

It's not an attack, its a direct reply to your posts in this thread, two to me.

Distorting isn't lying. You took my post and replied you didn't understand how fans could be content. That's a distortion of what I was saying that you used to propel you narrative further.

It's not a clever it, so dont be daft about being called out on it. So get over the victimhood.

I don't think Wilson's contract is holding us back from being contenders because we are contenders. But you can't build a team like 2013s hawks, 2017 eagles, 2018 rams, 2019 chiefs, ked by qb play on a rookie contract.

Those teams had multiple stars at numerous positions because they had their star qb on a rookie contract.

So... you can get rid of the best player, go with a rookie qb and go big on FAs. Or, pay the qb and play with thin margins on many other fronts.

As far as facts, they're all over the board and forum. Given the number of player moves the hawks have made since 2015, its hard to say they're not ambitious. You want to say some moves have been bad ones, sure. Every team goes through that, again because of the thin margins

 

[John63]

It's not an attack, its a direct reply to your posts in this thread, two to me.

Distorting isn't lying. You took my post and replied you didn't understand how fans could be content. That's a distortion of what I was saying that you used to propel you narrative further.

It's not a clever it, so dont be daft about being called out on it. So get over the victimhood.

I don't think Wilson's contract is holding us back from being contenders because we are contenders. But you can't build a team like 2013s hawks, 2017 eagles, 2018 rams, 2019 chiefs, ked by qb play on a rookie contract.

Those teams had multiple stars at numerous positions because they had their star qb on a rookie contract.

So... you can get rid of the best player, go with a rookie qb and go big on FAs. Or, pay the qb and play with thin margins on many other fronts.

As far as facts, they're all over the board and forum. Given the number of player moves the hawks have made since 2015, its hard to say they're not ambitious. You want to say some moves have been bad ones, sure. Every team goes through that, again because of the thin margins

so in an attempt to move on I will ignore the first part of your post as we dont see things the same and I doubt we ever will.

There is a difference between missing on some moves and what we have a done. As I said count the number of high ipmact players we have dreafted since 2014? Not many. Count the number of high impact players we have gotten in FA since 2015 again not many. Now lets look at the elephant in the room are we getting everything we can from what we have for 4 qtrs every game? the answer is NO. Have we lost games that we could have and should hve won YES and do a lot fo the times it come down to Coaching mistakes YES. DO we play with way to thin a margin for error YES do we have to NO.

The reality is we can be doing better, the players know it, most experts know it and while I guess some fans know it they are choosing instead to be content or at least tell others who know it and voice their opinion to be content. I, like the players am not content when we could be doing more and better with just a minor tweak in philosphy a tweak that the players have asked for, a tweak that alot of experts have said should be done. a tweak that any coach who usse a philisophy built for what they have not what they want would do.

There in lies the biggest thign holdign us back from more.

 

[Uncle Si]

Every team.can do better... but its extremely difficult. thats why, outside of the patriots, no team has won more than one super bowl in this decade.

Saying fans are content with mediocrity because they're practical in assessing the teams moves and progress is naive.. as stated.

 

[Ozzy]

Meh Wilson's cap hit is a little overstated because of the way it's structured. We haven't drafted well, we completely whiffed on the offensive line which by the way has almost no long term answers contract wise and the defense has been progressing the wrong way. That's not all on Wilson's contract. If you have a too 3 QB you're usually a lock to win 9-10 games. It's John's and Pete's job to get to the next level. I'm not saying Wilson's contract doesn't shrink the margin of error because it does but saying it's the sole reason isn't an objective truth like it's stated here. Maybe everyone is partially right and it's the elephant in the dark at play?

 

[Uncle Si]

15.5% of the teams cap goes to one player... overstated.

 

[John63]

Every team.can do better... but its extremely difficult. thats why, outside of the patriots, no team has won more than one super bowl in this decade.

Saying fans are content with mediocrity because they're practical in assessing the teams moves and progress is naive.. as stated.

there is a difference between being practical and saying be happy we are winning. But again I doubt we will ever agree and it is nieve to think that a decent number on this board are not content with were we are, given some have flat out said so. and FYI once again I am not asking for winniing the SB I am asking for improvment from one year to another something we really have not done for some time. Improvment by winning West, improvement by winning the NFC, improvement by getting beyond the 2nd round, improvement by having an oline ranked in the middle of pass blocking, improvement by defense rnaking in the top 3rd etc. Just improvements showing we are heading in the right direction. But when we have back to back years of being bounced in teh 2nd round and again due to coahcing mistake well that does not show improvement. As to the Pats well I guess that is what we should be aspiring to inseratd of hey were winning thats all that mtters which has been alluded to in this thread.

 

[John63]

Meh Wilson's cap hit is a little overstated because of the way it's structured. We haven't drafted well, we completely whiffed on the offensive line which by the way has almost no long term answers contract wise and the defense has been progressing the wrong way. That's not all on Wilson's contract. If you have a too 3 QB you're usually a lock to win 9-10 games. It's John's and Pete's job to get to the next level. I'm not saying Wilson's contract doesn't shrink the margin of error because it does but saying it's the sole reason isn't an objective truth like it's stated here. Maybe everyone is partially right and it's the elephant in the dark at play?

exactly

 

[Uncle Si]

Every team.can do better... but its extremely difficult. thats why, outside of the patriots, no team has won more than one super bowl in this decade.

Saying fans are content with mediocrity because they're practical in assessing the teams moves and progress is naive.. as stated.

there is a difference between being practical and saying be happy we are winning. But again I doubt we will ever agree and it is nieve to think that a decent number on this board are not content with were we are, given some have flat out said so. and FYI once again I am not asking for winniing the SB I am asking for improvment from one year to another something we really have not done for some time. Improvment by winning West, improvement by winning the NFC, improvement by getting beyond the 2nd round, improvement by having an oline ranked in the middle of pass blocking, improvement by defense rnaking in the top 3rd etc. Just improvements showing we are heading in the right direction. But when we have back to back years of being bounced in teh 2nd round and again due to coahcing mistake well that does not show improvement. As to the Pats well I guess that is what we should be aspiring to inseratd of hey were winning thats all that mtters which has been alluded to in this thread.

You must read this board enough to know no ones happy, ever. But there is a big difference in understanding why., tempered with realistic expectations.

Understanding that not one nfc team.has been better in the last 7 years while understanding how hard that is to is not "just happy" winning games.

Aspiring to be the pats requires asking Wilson to make half as much money.

Yeah, they could've done better in many ways, but that also shows how fine the margins are with these rosters

 

[John63]

15.5% of the teams cap goes to one player... overstated.

okay then prove it has stopped us from doing anything we want? Show me were they asked Wilson to restructure so they could do something and he said no? You see there is the problem with this excuse. Wilson has proven he will restructure to help the team. The team has proven it cant draft well, cant buildl a good pass blockign olien, cant do well in Fa. So unless you have proof that Wilsons contract has stopped them from doing something they wanted to do, it is not an issue.

Also here is the funny part in 2019 we were ranked 5th in Qb spending. Of the teams in the top 10 with the highest QB cost 7 made the playoffs Hmm of those 7, 3 made the conferecne championships and 1 made the SB. Hmm Like I siad unlelss you have proof Wilson salalary stopped them from doign somethign they wanted or proof they went to Wilson to redo his deal and he said know, the whole WIlsons salary excuse is nothing.


oh and all the info came curtesy fo sporttrac.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Trade Russ? Half salary? Oh boy......it must be the off season. I'd like to assume it's sarcasm, but who knows at this point?

 

[Uncle Si]

15.5% of the teams cap goes to one player... overstated.

okay then prove it has stopped us from doing anything we want? Show me were they asked Wilson to restructure so they could do something and he said no? You see there is the problem with this excuse. Wilson has proven he will restructure to help the team. The team has proven it cant draft well, cant buildl a good pass blockign olien, cant do well in Fa. So unless you have proof that Wilsons contract has stopped them from doing something they wanted to do, it is not an issue.

Also here is the funny part in 2019 we were ranked 5th in Qb spending. Of the teams in the top 10 with the highest QB cost 7 made the playoffs Hmm of those 7, 3 made the conferecne championships and 1 made the SB. Hmm Like I siad unlelss you have proof Wilson salalary stopped them from doign somethign they wanted or proof they went to Wilson to redo his deal and he said know, the whole WIlsons salary excuse is nothing.


oh and all the info came curtesy fo sporttrac.

So.. the teams with the best qbs make the playoffs? Shocker.. but the team that won the super bowl is on a rookie contract.

All this does is continue to further a point you keep missing: all the teams with good qbs on big contracts are roughly the same. The differences are extremely fine, and between the Seahawks, Vikings, packers, 9ers, saints, etc. you have a bunch of teams all very close to each other in talent.

But you keep clamoring for more, regardless of what the data you yourself provide. There isn't much room for more. So every decision needs to be inch on perfect to win it all. You seem to think it's easier than that, yet your own stats, us ones provided by other posters, proved otherwise. This is where we differ, in how we perceive the team is and where they are headed.

You can accept this reality, or dump Russ and try and build a mote complete team around a cheaper contract.

Id rather keep Russ and accept us as contenders, but never favorites, are very top team is these days.

 

[Uncle Si]

Trade Russ? Half salary? Oh boy......it must be the off season. I'd like to assume it's sarcasm, but who knows at this point?

No one suggested it.

It's a conversation about how competitive a team can be at multiple positions while paying a top qb..

Is it better to keep the hall of famer (Wilson, Rodgers, brees) with a more limited roster or play a cheap QB and build a more complete roster: early Wilson Seahawks, mahomes chiefs, last Rams and eagles super bowl roster.

I chose Wilson, but that also means thin margin for error in choosing other roster adds. John thinks people that accept this are content being a very good football team and that he is the one that cares about being great.. like there is a switch that we all just ignore being flipped on

 

[John63]

Trade Russ? Half salary? Oh boy......it must be the off season. I'd like to assume it's sarcasm, but who knows at this point?

No one suggested it.

It's a conversation about how competitive a team can be at multiple positions while paying a top qb..

Is it better to keep the hall of famer (Wilson, Rodgers, brees) with a more limited roster or play a cheap QB and build a more complete roster: early Wilson Seahawks, mahomes chiefs, last Rams and eagles super bowl roster.

I chose Wilson, but that also means thin margin for error in choosing other roster adds. John thinks people that accept this are content being a very good football team and that he is the one that cares about being great.. like there is a switch that we all just ignore being flipped on

Actually that is not what I think as my main point through all this is the offense can be improved wihthout any additional adds at all. All I want is improvement and when I bring it up numerous people in this thread keep saying, and I am paraphrasing hey we are winning, were making the playoffs, you cant make the Sb every year. That is being content. No mention but hey we could be better only hey were winning, making the playoffs, etc. You can argue it all you want but they said it right in this thread so you areguing with the wrong person, when the FACT is they wrote it. And they have written it in other threads. I am happy with th ewinning, and playoffs, that doe snto mean I am content adn have made my feeling heard to be told to be happy. So sorry but that is what they are posting.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

We could've blasted through the SB last year if we didn't lose our top3 rbs in a running based offense, not to mention our te. The fo is very much in the mind set that the time is now.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Couldn't agree more Si. Def. have to be on top of it when making choices. Unfortunately, there will always be ones that don't pan out.

 

[John63]

We could've blasted through the SB last year if we didn't lose our top3 rbs in a running based offense, not to mention our te. The fo is very much in the mind set that the time is now.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree or wiht just a little tweak to the ofensive scheme, or a few less coaching blunders. Like I said the players and FO know we could be more. A shame some fans are content with being a 2nd round, no NFC west wining, after thought

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geezus man, change the record. NOBODY said they are content not making the Super Bowl. Nobody

 

[Tical21]

You want to make the playoffs annually, pay your franchise quarterback top dollar. You want to win a Super Bowl, don't. It's that simple.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Geezus man, change the record. NOBODY said they are content not making the Super Bowl. Nobody

The same record has been playing for several weeks, I doubt it's going to change anytime soon.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Winston Churchill

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Telling people that they are satisfied with not making the Super Bowl is next level weak sauce. NOBODY is happy when the team doesn't make and/or win the Super Bowl. But acting like they have had no success and/or are basically the Browns? Come on man......