We have arguably the top QB in NFC - The time is now

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah that's what I was saying. I'm super stoked when we don't win the Super Bowl.
Dear God, it's like clapping with one hand sometimes. Maybe you should stop assuming how people feel and/or think about this team's success. I honestly don't know why you even watch this team, John.
They have the most successful team other than the Patriots since Pete got here.

Fan how you want, but you honestly seem miserable.

 

[John63]

Yeah that's what I was saying. I'm super stoked when we don't win the Super Bowl.
Dear God, it's like clapping with one hand sometimes. Maybe you should stop assuming how people feel and/or think about this team's success. I honestly don't know why you even watch this team, John.
They have the most successful team other than the Patriots since Pete got here.

Fan how you want, but you honestly seem miserable.

LOl yes you have to be misrable to want more, I guess the entire team and Coaches are miserable too as they expect more. You are the one saying be thankful with being a oen and done playoff team, meanwhile lthe tam want smore, and most fans should want more, but you want us to be happy with being a bridesmaid adnn not a bride. You can fan how you want, I will always root for my team to win and get better and strive for more. Pretty pathetic when you get attacked for wanting the saem thign the team wants adn that is imore. I can be happy with were they are compared to most teams but stilll want more, which is what I am doing. The idea is to get better, we have not we peaked in 2013 and maintained in 2014, and have gone up and down since with up not being the top but half way. We sholld be striving for the top. IN the end the goal is not making th eplayoffs, we do that, our goal is to get further then the year before and yet we are not.

 

[kf3339]

I saw a stat that showed the top 10 QB's by total pay over the last 5 years, and not one of them had won the Super Bowl in those years. The next was Tom Brady at 11. In other words the odds are against us with a highly paid QB.

Not impossible, but against the odds.

 

[Uncle Si]

Yeah that's what I was saying. I'm super stoked when we don't win the Super Bowl.
Dear God, it's like clapping with one hand sometimes. Maybe you should stop assuming how people feel and/or think about this team's success. I honestly don't know why you even watch this team, John.
They have the most successful team other than the Patriots since Pete got here.

Fan how you want, but you honestly seem miserable.

LOl yes you have to be misrable to want more, I guess the entire team and Coaches are miserable too as they expect more. You are the one saying be thankful with being a oen and done playoff team, meanwhile lthe tam want smore, and most fans should want more, but you want us to be happy with being a bridesmaid adnn not a bride. You can fan how you want, I will always root for my team to win and get better and strive for more. Pretty pathetic when you get attacked for wanting the saem thign the team wants adn that is imore. I can be happy with were they are compared to most teams but stilll want more, which is what I am doing. The idea is to get better, we have not we peaked in 2013 and maintained in 2014, and have gone up and down since with up not being the top but half way. We sholld be striving for the top. IN the end the goal is not making th eplayoffs, we do that, our goal is to get further then the year before and yet we are not.

Get rid of Wilson.

That's the only way to build a complete team in the NFL at the moment. And even then, its fleeting.

Seahawks fans have been extremely lucky these past 10 years. I don't think anyone wants less.but the reality is, RW is the biggest reason for the teams success. His success is why he's paid as he is, and that cost makes building a complete team very difficult.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[John63]

Yeah that's what I was saying. I'm super stoked when we don't win the Super Bowl.
Dear God, it's like clapping with one hand sometimes. Maybe you should stop assuming how people feel and/or think about this team's success. I honestly don't know why you even watch this team, John.
They have the most successful team other than the Patriots since Pete got here.

Fan how you want, but you honestly seem miserable.

LOl yes you have to be misrable to want more, I guess the entire team and Coaches are miserable too as they expect more. You are the one saying be thankful with being a oen and done playoff team, meanwhile lthe tam want smore, and most fans should want more, but you want us to be happy with being a bridesmaid adnn not a bride. You can fan how you want, I will always root for my team to win and get better and strive for more. Pretty pathetic when you get attacked for wanting the saem thign the team wants adn that is imore. I can be happy with were they are compared to most teams but stilll want more, which is what I am doing. The idea is to get better, we have not we peaked in 2013 and maintained in 2014, and have gone up and down since with up not being the top but half way. We sholld be striving for the top. IN the end the goal is not making th eplayoffs, we do that, our goal is to get further then the year before and yet we are not.

Get rid of Wilson.

That's the only way to build a complete team in the NFL at the moment. And even then, its fleeting.

Seahawks fans have been extremely lucky these past 10 years. I don't think anyone wants less.but the reality is, RW is the biggest reason for the teams success. His success is why he's paid as he is, and that cost makes building a complete team very difficult.

Dont agree, if we draft well and get good FAs it can be done. Problem is outside of DK when was the last great draft pick? Been awhile ahh.

 

[Tical21]

I saw a stat that showed the top 10 QB's by total pay over the last 5 years, and not one of them had won the Super Bowl in those years. The next was Tom Brady at 11. In other words the odds are against us with a highly paid QB.

Not impossible, but against the odds.

Only one QB with a top-5 salary has won a Super Bowl since 1999.

 

[Tical21]

I think we need to run a change-tempo offense.

 

[IndyHawk]

Yeah that's what I was saying. I'm super stoked when we don't win the Super Bowl.
Dear God, it's like clapping with one hand sometimes. Maybe you should stop assuming how people feel and/or think about this team's success. I honestly don't know why you even watch this team, John.
They have the most successful team other than the Patriots since Pete got here.

Fan how you want, but you honestly seem miserable.

LOl yes you have to be misrable to want more, I guess the entire team and Coaches are miserable too as they expect more. You are the one saying be thankful with being a oen and done playoff team, meanwhile lthe tam want smore, and most fans should want more, but you want us to be happy with being a bridesmaid adnn not a bride. You can fan how you want, I will always root for my team to win and get better and strive for more. Pretty pathetic when you get attacked for wanting the saem thign the team wants adn that is imore. I can be happy with were they are compared to most teams but stilll want more, which is what I am doing. The idea is to get better, we have not we peaked in 2013 and maintained in 2014, and have gone up and down since with up not being the top but half way. We sholld be striving for the top. IN the end the goal is not making th eplayoffs, we do that, our goal is to get further then the year before and yet we are not.

Get rid of Wilson.

That's the only way to build a complete team in the NFL at the moment. And even then, its fleeting.

Seahawks fans have been extremely lucky these past 10 years. I don't think anyone wants less.but the reality is, RW is the biggest reason for the teams success. His success is why he's paid as he is, and that cost makes building a complete team very difficult.

Dont agree, if we draft well and get good FAs ot cane be done. Problem is outside of DK when was the last great draft pick? Been awhile ahh.

Where we draft every year in the high 20's makes it harder to get an ready impact player.
As Si indicated RW's salary does make building a complete team very difficult.
Why do you think Clowney didn't get his $20 million?That would just be stupid with our cap.
I encourage you to learn about the cap and see why it's not easy to put stars all over.
Here you go and remember take $5-6 million off the number for draft picks https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap/

 

[John63]

LOl yes you have to be misrable to want more, I guess the entire team and Coaches are miserable too as they expect more. You are the one saying be thankful with being a oen and done playoff team, meanwhile lthe tam want smore, and most fans should want more, but you want us to be happy with being a bridesmaid adnn not a bride. You can fan how you want, I will always root for my team to win and get better and strive for more. Pretty pathetic when you get attacked for wanting the saem thign the team wants adn that is imore. I can be happy with were they are compared to most teams but stilll want more, which is what I am doing. The idea is to get better, we have not we peaked in 2013 and maintained in 2014, and have gone up and down since with up not being the top but half way. We sholld be striving for the top. IN the end the goal is not making th eplayoffs, we do that, our goal is to get further then the year before and yet we are not.

Get rid of Wilson.

That's the only way to build a complete team in the NFL at the moment. And even then, its fleeting.

Seahawks fans have been extremely lucky these past 10 years. I don't think anyone wants less.but the reality is, RW is the biggest reason for the teams success. His success is why he's paid as he is, and that cost makes building a complete team very difficult.

Dont agree, if we draft well and get good FAs ot cane be done. Problem is outside of DK when was the last great draft pick? Been awhile ahh.

Where we draft every year in the high 20's makes it harder to get an ready impact player.
As Si indicated RW's salary does make building a complete team very difficult.
Why do you think Clowney didn't get his $20 million?That would just be stupid with our cap.
I encourage you to learn about the cap and see why it's not easy to put stars all over.
Here you go and remember take $5-6 million off the number for draft picks https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap/

Every team has a player that makes it harder to build a complete team and yet every year one of them wins the SB. FYI Wilsons contract has no bareing on Clowney, no onoe is giving clowney his 20 mil, there a reaason. Last time the went to Wilson to restrcuture he did, so again sorry we can do it, other teams do.

 

[IndyHawk]

Lets go to last season John..KC has PM on a rookie contract but you do have a point
to an extent that every team has a player that makes it hard but KC last year was pretty
much a complete team.
As for JC yes he's not getting 20 and he'll be lucky to get 15 but I was using that high
figure as we cannot just sign any one player for that.
We did pick up a few role types that give us good depth right?Had we signed anyone for
15-20 forget all those guys.
I'd like to have some more stars for the D and maybe a couple for offense but its really hard
because you have to cut or trade others and you lose depth in trying to do it.
I know Britt is a big hit but I think OL is last part you want cut..KJ is another,we can cut them
to sign a big name but those guys are good and you have to fill those holes.
As I said try to learn the cap and you will see things a little more clearly.

 

[Uncle Si]

Get rid of Wilson.

That's the only way to build a complete team in the NFL at the moment. And even then, its fleeting.

Seahawks fans have been extremely lucky these past 10 years. I don't think anyone wants less.but the reality is, RW is the biggest reason for the teams success. His success is why he's paid as he is, and that cost makes building a complete team very difficult.

Dont agree, if we draft well and get good FAs ot cane be done. Problem is outside of DK when was the last great draft pick? Been awhile ahh.

Where we draft every year in the high 20's makes it harder to get an ready impact player.
As Si indicated RW's salary does make building a complete team very difficult.
Why do you think Clowney didn't get his $20 million?That would just be stupid with our cap.
I encourage you to learn about the cap and see why it's not easy to put stars all over.
Here you go and remember take $5-6 million off the number for draft picks https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap/

Every team has a player that makes it harder to build a complete team and yet every year one fo the wins the SB. FYTI Wilsons contract has no barring on Clowney, no onoe is giving clowney his 20 mil, there a reaason. Last time the went ot wilson to restrcuture he did, so again sorry we can do it, other teams do.

Every year a team wins the super bowl.. the Seahawks have done it.

How many have done it twice since 2010? Or even been in it twice? Now look at the QB position of those teams and what they were paid.

To me.. it's absurd to say any team with 8 plus wins from last year isn't a contender the next year because the QB position makes everything so rigid.

Outside of new England, no team has done better than Seattle in the last 10 years and it still seems to miss some fans.

The rosters in the NFL are a handful of sure things, some role guys, and some hopefuls. It's the hopefuls that end up making the difference between 2nd round of playoffs and the super bowl..

When Seattle went to their two... Wilson was one of the hopefuls

 

[John63]

Dont agree, if we draft well and get good FAs ot cane be done. Problem is outside of DK when was the last great draft pick? Been awhile ahh.

Where we draft every year in the high 20's makes it harder to get an ready impact player.
As Si indicated RW's salary does make building a complete team very difficult.
Why do you think Clowney didn't get his $20 million?That would just be stupid with our cap.
I encourage you to learn about the cap and see why it's not easy to put stars all over.
Here you go and remember take $5-6 million off the number for draft picks https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap/

Every team has a player that makes it harder to build a complete team and yet every year one fo the wins the SB. FYTI Wilsons contract has no barring on Clowney, no onoe is giving clowney his 20 mil, there a reaason. Last time the went ot wilson to restrcuture he did, so again sorry we can do it, other teams do.

Every year a team wins the super bowl.. the Seahawks have done it.

How many have done it twice since 2010? Or even been in it twice? Now look at the QB position of those teams and what they were paid.

To me.. it's absurd to say any team with 8 plus wins from last year isn't a contender the next year because the QB position makes everything so rigid.

Outside of new England, no team has done better than Seattle in the last 10 years and it still seems to miss some fans.

The rosters in the NFL are a handful of sure things, some role guys, and some hopefuls. It's the hopefuls that end up making the difference between 2nd round of playoffs and the super bowl..

When Seattle went to their two... Wilson was one of the hopefuls

It amazes me how fans can be so content with being good enough to get to the dance hall but not good enough to actually get into the dance. It amazes me how we as fans dont follwo suite with our team and want more.

You are right though when we went to the SB WIlson was one of the hopefuls, and now he is one of the ones that can carry us there if he was allowed to play 4 qrs every game

It amazes me given its been since 2014 since we got to the SB or even the NFC championship, and now 4 years sicne we won the NFC. Meanwhile the window of the players who are the ones who should lead us there is closing all for want of inflexibility.

 

[xray]

SB contenders usually have a great QB , a great coach , a FO that have the ability to find and sign gems in the draft and in free-agency , a little bit of luck and a whole lot of money . Nothing to it .

 

[Uncle Si]

Where we draft every year in the high 20's makes it harder to get an ready impact player.
As Si indicated RW's salary does make building a complete team very difficult.
Why do you think Clowney didn't get his $20 million?That would just be stupid with our cap.
I encourage you to learn about the cap and see why it's not easy to put stars all over.
Here you go and remember take $5-6 million off the number for draft picks https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap/

Every team has a player that makes it harder to build a complete team and yet every year one fo the wins the SB. FYTI Wilsons contract has no barring on Clowney, no onoe is giving clowney his 20 mil, there a reaason. Last time the went ot wilson to restrcuture he did, so again sorry we can do it, other teams do.

Every year a team wins the super bowl.. the Seahawks have done it.

How many have done it twice since 2010? Or even been in it twice? Now look at the QB position of those teams and what they were paid.

To me.. it's absurd to say any team with 8 plus wins from last year isn't a contender the next year because the QB position makes everything so rigid.

Outside of new England, no team has done better than Seattle in the last 10 years and it still seems to miss some fans.

The rosters in the NFL are a handful of sure things, some role guys, and some hopefuls. It's the hopefuls that end up making the difference between 2nd round of playoffs and the super bowl..

When Seattle went to their two... Wilson was one of the hopefuls

It amazes me how fans can be so content with being good enough to get to the dance hall but not good enough to actually get into the dance. It amazes me how we as fans dont follwo suite with our team and want more.

You are right though when we went to the SB WIlson was one of the hopefuls, and now he is one of the ones that can carry us there if he was allowed to play 4 qrs every game

It amazes me given its been since 2014 since we got to the SB or even the NFC championship, and now 4 years sicne we won the NFC. Meanwhile the window of the players who are the ones who should lead us there is closing all for want of inflexibility.

It amazes me how narrow and naive some fans thinking are on how difficult it is getting there.

Where you see it as content, many others understand the challenges and luck involved and accept that as part of the journey.

You distort what you want to.halpen with what is possible, based on flimsy statement and unrealistic expectations, and then pass that off as some sort of uber intelligence born from super fandom

 

[Sun Tzu]

I think we need to run a change-tempo offense.

To run a change-tempo offense we would have to find an expert in change-tempo offense. Someone to educate the coaches, coaches who have been playing and coaching football at a high level for most of their lives, coaches who spend there work day studying film of their own and other teams in a near obsessive quest to improve, coaches who are surrounded by scouts, statisticians, and other experts with considerable resources whose only job is to aid these coaches in their quest.
Where do you propose we find such an expert?

 

[John63]

Every team has a player that makes it harder to build a complete team and yet every year one fo the wins the SB. FYTI Wilsons contract has no barring on Clowney, no onoe is giving clowney his 20 mil, there a reaason. Last time the went ot wilson to restrcuture he did, so again sorry we can do it, other teams do.

Every year a team wins the super bowl.. the Seahawks have done it.

How many have done it twice since 2010? Or even been in it twice? Now look at the QB position of those teams and what they were paid.

To me.. it's absurd to say any team with 8 plus wins from last year isn't a contender the next year because the QB position makes everything so rigid.

Outside of new England, no team has done better than Seattle in the last 10 years and it still seems to miss some fans.

The rosters in the NFL are a handful of sure things, some role guys, and some hopefuls. It's the hopefuls that end up making the difference between 2nd round of playoffs and the super bowl..

When Seattle went to their two... Wilson was one of the hopefuls

It amazes me how fans can be so content with being good enough to get to the dance hall but not good enough to actually get into the dance. It amazes me how we as fans dont follwo suite with our team and want more.

You are right though when we went to the SB WIlson was one of the hopefuls, and now he is one of the ones that can carry us there if he was allowed to play 4 qrs every game

It amazes me given its been since 2014 since we got to the SB or even the NFC championship, and now 4 years sicne we won the NFC. Meanwhile the window of the players who are the ones who should lead us there is closing all for want of inflexibility.

It amazes me how narrow and naive some fans thinking are on how difficult it is getting there.

Where you see it as content, many others understand the challenges and luck involved and accept that as part of the journey.

You distort what you want to.halpen with what is possible, based on flimsy statement and unrealistic expectations, and then pass that off as some sort of uber intelligence born from super fandom

LOl well at least your attack was hidden behind vailed words. Ther eis nothing unrealistic in what I am saying at all. I am asking for progress, we have mad enone at all. since 2014 we have not gotten beyond the 2nd round, we have not won the NFC west but once. I am nto saying we have to play for the SB every year, but we should at least be hsowing improvment and were not and part of the reason is beacsue we refuse to play to the strangths of our players.

Here is one for you why is it the PLAYERS are not satified and want more but its not okay for us fans to. Instead we get ridiculed for daring to want more. Howo patheticis it that wanting more is reason for ridicule. Also Way to set the forums stance moderator by jumping in to ridicule someone who simply wants more. Great example.

 

[Uncle Si]

That's an attack? I'm literally debating your words. Your last post, you indicated people were content. They're not. But they have an understanding, shown in posts throughout this thread in response to your posts, that it's not as easy as you claim. Trying to be a martyr here is odd, considering you are the one challenging people.

I'm not ridiculing you, I'm debating you and your last few posts. Adding the moderator angle is a prwtty soft dodge.

One large salary paid to.the best player is what holds this team, and almost all the others who pat their QB, back from being dominant.

But, each team that has that an is a contender. This is where you and I differ. I understand it and accept it and think it's more a jog saw puzzle of mismatched pieces.

You think the team isn't ambitious enough. I think they are, but it's really difficult to make all the right moves with such a narrow window to work in.

 

[xray]

Every year a team wins the super bowl.. the Seahawks have done it.

How many have done it twice since 2010? Or even been in it twice? Now look at the QB position of those teams and what they were paid.

To me.. it's absurd to say any team with 8 plus wins from last year isn't a contender the next year because the QB position makes everything so rigid.

Outside of new England, no team has done better than Seattle in the last 10 years and it still seems to miss some fans.

The rosters in the NFL are a handful of sure things, some role guys, and some hopefuls. It's the hopefuls that end up making the difference between 2nd round of playoffs and the super bowl..

When Seattle went to their two... Wilson was one of the hopefuls

It amazes me how fans can be so content with being good enough to get to the dance hall but not good enough to actually get into the dance. It amazes me how we as fans dont follwo suite with our team and want more.

You are right though when we went to the SB WIlson was one of the hopefuls, and now he is one of the ones that can carry us there if he was allowed to play 4 qrs every game

It amazes me given its been since 2014 since we got to the SB or even the NFC championship, and now 4 years sicne we won the NFC. Meanwhile the window of the players who are the ones who should lead us there is closing all for want of inflexibility.

It amazes me how narrow and naive some fans thinking are on how difficult it is getting there.

Where you see it as content, many others understand the challenges and luck involved and accept that as part of the journey.

You distort what you want to.halpen with what is possible, based on flimsy statement and unrealistic expectations, and then pass that off as some sort of uber intelligence born from super fandom

LOl well at least your attack was hidden behind vailed words. Ther eis nothing unrealistic in what I am saying at all. I am asking for progress, we have mad enone at all. since 2014 we have not gotten beyond the 2nd round, we have not won the NFC west but once. I am nto saying we have to play for the SB every year, but we should at least be hsowing improvment and were not and part of the reason is beacsue we refuse to play to the strangths of our players.

Here is one for you why is it the PLAYERS are not satified and want more but its not okay for us fans to. Instead we get ridiculed for daring to want more. Howo patheticis it that wanting more is reason for ridicule. Also Way to set the forums stance moderator by jumping in to ridicule someone who simply wants more. Great example.

It's veiled words...not vailed

 

[John63]

That's an attack? I'm literally debating your words. Your last post, you indicated people were content. They're not. But they have an understanding, shown in posts throughout this thread in response to your posts, that it's not as easy as you claim. Trying to be a martyr here is odd, considering you are the one challenging people.

I'm not ridiculing you, I'm debating you and your last few posts. Adding the moderator angle is a prwtty soft dodge.

One large salary paid to.the best player is what holds this team, and almost all the others who pat their QB, back from being dominant.

But, each team that has that an is a contender. This is where you and I differ. I understand it and accept it and think it's more a jog saw puzzle of mismatched pieces.

You think the team isn't ambitious enough. I think they are, but it's really difficult to make all the right moves with such a narrow window to work in.

So lets start with the attack

"You distort what you want to.halpen with what is possible, based on flimsy statement and unrealistic expectations, and then pass that off as some sort of uber intelligence born from super fandom"

Thats an attack distorting is lying and While I do get things wrong from time to time and further up in this thread, I admitted such. I do not lie or distort anything. I give my opinion supported by facts. IF you or someone has a different opinion fine give it supply facts and I have no problem listening and even changing my opinion if I find the facts warrant it. Now If you want to say that was not an attack fine, my apologies but that is how it felt you don’t tell someone they are distorting the facts and that not be taken as an attack. I have never told anyone in this forum they were liars or they distorted facts. People make mistakes if I find their facts are wrong, I point it out as they may have misread or forgotten something.

Now as to the one large contract, I don’t agree at all, and to me it means we need to do a better job of Fa and Draft something we have ben good at for many years. IF you feel so strongly Wilson contract is what is holding us back from being SB contenders right now you should advocate for trading him. Of course you and I both know that would be suicide as we know with him we will make the playoffs almost every year and without we need to get very very lucky. Al that aside again the reality is with a minor tweak we could eb doing better. . There ns lies were you and other sand I differ. I see an easy fix to us doing better, and you guys don’t. Despite numerous experts saying the same thing over and over again.

Now as to the team being ambitious enough, you are right I don’t as to all the right moves I would settle for half the right moves, and again last time we did that was 2012. I am not saying Its SB or we suck, I am saying show growth, get to the 3rd round, win the NFC, get a bye, Show you will play to win for 4 qtrs instead of wasting a half. Something to show its not the same old same old. Us always flirting with more but failing and it almost always coming down to coaching of some kind.