We have arguably the top QB in NFC - The time is now

[thegameq]

I think the biggest concern with the slow starts is that you basically dig yourself a hole and now have to play against the defense and the dwindling clock. It is agonizingly frustrating to watch a whole half of football and the team does nothing. Then in the second half, watch them claw their way back in desperation as the clock and possessions dwindle.

It makes for exciting finishes, but it has to end. I think Clayton did a segment on the slow starts last week. I think they said it was by design as the Seahawks (Pete Carroll) are risk averse. To many things can go wrong trying to score more--and it puts a shaky defense back on the field to many times....but doesn't too many three and outs? Add in offense line woes, etc.

 

[TwistedHusky]

My hope every year, at the start of each season, is that we will make it to the playoffs and win a game outside of the wildcard game.

To me, hoping for a SB win, or even a visit, is nonsensical. We aren't even close to that level.

I think we are easily in the caliber of those teams over the years that always seemed to make it to the next round of playoff games, at least enough to seem a threat.

We still have to overcome the problem that we are generally down by multiple touchdowns at the half in the playoff games that matter. (non-wildcard).

Until we do that the SB seems crazy fantasy. There seems no basis to expect or even hope for it. We have to show we can win 2 games in a row in the playoffs first, or at least not be completely boat raced once we make it out of the wildcard round.

I think we have the talent and coaching, we just have p*ss poor strategy, tactics, and adjustments. Our coaches are capable of a different gameplan, they just are not willing. Until that changes we aren't going to see the other changes.

It isn't SB or bust though. Falling short but at least winning a game or two in the playoffs in a few great games - that would be a success.

 

[John63]

I think the biggest concern with the slow starts is that you basically dig yourself a hole and now have to play against the defense and the dwindling clock. It is agonizingly frustrating to watch a whole half of football and the team does nothing. Then in the second half, watch them claw their way back in desperation as the clock and possessions dwindle.

It makes for exciting finishes, but it has to end. I think Clayton did a segment on the slow starts last week. I think they said it was by design as the Seahawks (Pete Carroll) are risk averse. To many things can go wrong trying to score more--and it puts a shaky defense back on the field to many times....but doesn't too many three and outs? Add in offense line woes, etc.

We hold a bigger TOP in the 2nd half then the first so the whole putting the defsne back out is BS. This is just the way PC plays, that why without a historic defense we will not win a SB with him as HC. He does not know any other way and refuses to adjust. In that way he is the oppostie of Bellechik who adjusts for every game

 

[cgfcgf]

Thanks everybody for helping me out of this stay at home can't go anywhere funk...

1.) Luck (or breaks) definitely play a part of it (i.e. New Orleans) but look at last year...with everything on the the line for SF they could have easily lost the last game of the year even with the defense and defensive strategy we threw on the field last year (which gave up like 500 yards to the Bengals...lost to the Cardinals at the end of the year ...lots of other garbage in middle of year).
2.) If they can field that awful defense (compared to 2013-2015)... and come a Jimmy Graham fingertip/catch good spot for another chance to win (forget about the dropped pass for a minute) I think the team is closer rather than farther away (thank you #3).
3.) I still think we wasted a little of Russ...don't get me wrong I am extremely grateful for what we have and have had. I live in CT right in the middle of the dynasty (NE) and the futility (NYJ)...I won't include NYG. To me it looks like the next 5 years should almost us as spoiled fans...almost NE like...we should make 2nd round of Playoffs or NFCC each year. Brees is getting older (although how did they win all those games with Teddy B.?? Sean P.'s coaching??)...but lets just say SF last year won't last (like Rams?)...so then the only consistent is A. Rodgers...again...to me our QB with heart and winning attitude and proven results = 2nd round or NFCC.
4.) I liked Ken Norton...was disappointed when C. Richards got the DC job and not him...am confused why defense isn't better...PC won't demote him to LB coach again so he is our DC...how do we get the D to only give up say 19-22 PPG? We don't need 2013 - 2015 but need better than last year.

Wearing Cam 31 home jersey as I write this ...I wore it as a top layer just now...it was a little chilly as we went for an evening walk in the neighborhood (I think we can still do that...or may be we were Breaking the Law Breaking the Law Breaking the Law...)

 

[Tical21]

Dammit, I thought you were meaning we acquired Drew Brees.

 

[thegameq]

I think the biggest concern with the slow starts is that you basically dig yourself a hole and now have to play against the defense and the dwindling clock. It is agonizingly frustrating to watch a whole half of football and the team does nothing. Then in the second half, watch them claw their way back in desperation as the clock and possessions dwindle.

It makes for exciting finishes, but it has to end. I think Clayton did a segment on the slow starts last week. I think they said it was by design as the Seahawks (Pete Carroll) are risk averse. To many things can go wrong trying to score more--and it puts a shaky defense back on the field to many times....but doesn't too many three and outs? Add in offense line woes, etc.

We hold a bigger TOP in the 2nd half then the first so the whole putting the defense back out is BS. This is just the way PC plays, that why without a historic defense we will not win a SB with him as HC. He does not know any other way and refuses to adjust. In that way he is the opostie of Bellechik who adjusts for every game

Pete wants to reduce the game to it's most basic elements; execution, talent and physicality. These are things he could bank on in college but not so much in the NFL thanks to the salary cap.

Honestly, the ability to out scheme their opponent or adjust is something that seems lost on most coaches in the NFL. When things go wrong in a game it's like they have no idea how to fix it. The so-called half-time adjustments look more like hope and a prayer football as opposed to some detailed, clever belichick-ian plan. I get that they came up in a certain system, from a certain coaching tree, but damn. If the initial game plan doesn't work........

I thought winning was the first, last and only thing that mattered, Philosophy be damned.

 

[John63]

I think the biggest concern with the slow starts is that you basically dig yourself a hole and now have to play against the defense and the dwindling clock. It is agonizingly frustrating to watch a whole half of football and the team does nothing. Then in the second half, watch them claw their way back in desperation as the clock and possessions dwindle.

It makes for exciting finishes, but it has to end. I think Clayton did a segment on the slow starts last week. I think they said it was by design as the Seahawks (Pete Carroll) are risk averse. To many things can go wrong trying to score more--and it puts a shaky defense back on the field to many times....but doesn't too many three and outs? Add in offense line woes, etc.

We hold a bigger TOP in the 2nd half then the first so the whole putting the defense back out is BS. This is just the way PC plays, that why without a historic defense we will not win a SB with him as HC. He does not know any other way and refuses to adjust. In that way he is the opostie of Bellechik who adjusts for every game

Pete wants to reduce the game to it's most basic elements; execution, talent and physicality. These are things he could bank on in college but not so much in the NFL thanks to the salary cap.

Honestly, the ability to out scheme their opponent or adjust is something that seems lost on most coaches in the NFL. When things go wrong in a game it's like they have no idea how to fix it. The so-called half-time adjustments look more like hope and a prayer football as opposed to some detailed, clever belichick-ian plan. I get that they came up in a certain system, from a certain coaching tree, but damn. If the initial game plan doesn't work........

I thought winning was the first, last and only thing that mattered, Philosophy be damned.

Agreed in our case the adjustment is Russ go do what you do and change the tmepo and make things happen. Or in other wrods Russ please save my A$$.

 

[ImTheScientist]

We have wasted 5 years

Nope.

You must be ok with being average.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I think the biggest concern with the slow starts is that you basically dig yourself a hole and now have to play against the defense and the dwindling clock. It is agonizingly frustrating to watch a whole half of football and the team does nothing. Then in the second half, watch them claw their way back in desperation as the clock and possessions dwindle.

It makes for exciting finishes, but it has to end. I think Clayton did a segment on the slow starts last week. I think they said it was by design as the Seahawks (Pete Carroll) are risk averse. To many things can go wrong trying to score more--and it puts a shaky defense back on the field to many times....but doesn't too many three and outs? Add in offense line woes, etc.

We hold a bigger TOP in the 2nd half then the first so the whole putting the defense back out is BS. This is just the way PC plays, that why without a historic defense we will not win a SB with him as HC. He does not know any other way and refuses to adjust. In that way he is the opostie of Bellechik who adjusts for every game

Pete wants to reduce the game to it's most basic elements; execution, talent and physicality. These are things he could bank on in college but not so much in the NFL thanks to the salary cap.

Honestly, the ability to out scheme their opponent or adjust is something that seems lost on most coaches in the NFL. When things go wrong in a game it's like they have no idea how to fix it. The so-called half-time adjustments look more like hope and a prayer football as opposed to some detailed, clever belichick-ian plan. I get that they came up in a certain system, from a certain coaching tree, but damn. If the initial game plan doesn't work........

I thought winning was the first, last and only thing that mattered, Philosophy be damned.

Carroll's philosophy is all about playing the toxic differential. His game plans are all about engineering in a large margin of error. As such he imposes large restrictions on his Quarterback and dials in a game plan designed to limit turnovers. For example, he hates the short passes over the middle, and he completely shuns certain NFL routes and concepts. He puts a pretty short leash on Russell Wilson too as far as autonomy goes.

This game plan is solid from the perspective of winning. I don't see Seattle losing against teams that we shouldn't lose against often. Yes, games are always way too close for comfort even against bad teams -- but for the most part we take care of business there. The problem lies against stronger teams. They exploit this tendency, especially in the playoffs. If the Seahawks had a top tier defense this strategy would work well and this is where my problem with Pete lies.

Carroll plays like he has a top tier defense whether he has a top 10 defense or bottom 5 defense. He doesn't play to the strength of the team, which is now largely focused on offense, and it has been that way for years now.

 

[BASF]

We have wasted 5 years

Nope.

You must be ok with being average.

If being one win short of having the best record in the NFC and overall the sixth best record in the league over the last five years is your idea of average, you have no idea what the word actually means.

 

[John63]

We have wasted 5 years

Nope.

You must be ok with being average.

If being one win short of having the best record in the NFC and overall the sixth best record in the league over the last five years is your idea of average, you have no idea what the word actually means.

Remind me the last time we got past the 2nd round? I will wait also remind me the last time we won the NFC west or had a first round buy. The goal should be the SB but if not that at least improve every year yet have not won NFC west in years. Have not got a bit in years and have not gotten past 2nd round in years. We are not avg but we are not were we could be and one of the reasons is PCs unwillingness to do what a coach should do adjust.¹

Also we were not 1 win short of the best record we were 11-5 3 teams were 13-3 . 1 game makes us 12-4 and still 4th best unless that 1 win is against 1 of the teams ahead of us and then we are 3rd best but not best.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm sure plenty of teams would love the "average" that these Hawks have been under Pete.

 

[BASF]

If being one win short of having the best record in the NFC and overall the sixth best record in the league over the last five years is your idea of average, you have no idea what the word actually means.

Remind me the last time we got past the 2nd round? I will wait also remind me the last time we won the NFC west or had a first round buy. The goal should be the SB but if not that at least improve every year yet have not won NFC west in years. Have not got a bit in years and have not gotten past 2nd round in years. We are not avg but we are not were we could be and one of the reasons is PCs unwillingness to do what a coach should do adjust.¹

Also we were not 1 win short of the best record we were 11-5 3 teams were 13-3 . 1 game makes us 12-4 and still 4th best unless that 1 win is against 1 of the teams ahead of us and then we are 3rd best but not best.

Please read my post again. I have taken the liberty of putting the key portion of my post in bold, italics and underlined it for the ones whose reading comprehension is not on point.

As far as the goal always being the Super Bowl, of course it is. That is exactly what the front office, coaches and team strive for every year, however fans that believe that fans' thought process that only one team wins the Super Bowl every year and that it isn't some huge let down when the team fails to win when there are obvious glaring deficiencies in the roster is suspect at best. The deficiencies from last season has been talked to death and I won't go into it again.

Regarding your point of winning the division, it is pretty simple. The winner of the division the past three seasons has been the team that drafted early for years on end and finally got the pieces in the right place and were healthier longer than we were. Even with the slew of injuries on the offensive side of the ball and the lack of defensive talent, we still could have won the division with one more win.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

One more FOOT and they win the division last year. With a ridiculous amount of injuries. That's fact, and we all saw it with our own eyes.

 

[bmorepunk]

One more FOOT and they win the division last year. With a ridiculous amount of injuries. That's fact, and we all saw it with our own eyes.

Yes, but then we likely don't get to watch the 49ers lose in the Super Bowl.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

:irishdrinkers:

 

[John63]

I'm sure plenty of teams would love the "average" that these Hawks have been under Pete.

ah so we should not want more we should be happy with what we have. Got it so th eplayers should instead of playing for a SB to play to make the playoffs and that all. Or better just play to have a winning recoird and thats all. No striving for more. Got it. Status wuo no wanting more. To bad the players and coaches want more.

 

[John63]

One more FOOT and they win the division last year. With a ridiculous amount of injuries. That's fact, and we all saw it with our own eyes.

well if we ant to play that game one more good QTR and we win in the 2nd round, 1 more good game we win the NFC championship. Playing revisitionist with history does not help anyones point. The FACTS are we have not gotten beyond the 2nd roud in years, or won the west or the NFC.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Some are gonna be mightily disappointed or "moved on" when PC and RW are gone.

We will win 1 more superbowl with this team. Book it.

 

[John63]

If being one win short of having the best record in the NFC and overall the sixth best record in the league over the last five years is your idea of average, you have no idea what the word actually means.

Remind me the last time we got past the 2nd round? I will wait also remind me the last time we won the NFC west or had a first round buy. The goal should be the SB but if not that at least improve every year yet have not won NFC west in years. Have not got a bit in years and have not gotten past 2nd round in years. We are not avg but we are not were we could be and one of the reasons is PCs unwillingness to do what a coach should do adjust.¹

Also we were not 1 win short of the best record we were 11-5 3 teams were 13-3 . 1 game makes us 12-4 and still 4th best unless that 1 win is against 1 of the teams ahead of us and then we are 3rd best but not best.

Please read my post again. I have taken the liberty of putting the key portion of my post in bold, italics and underlined it for the ones whose reading comprehension is not on point.

As far as the goal always being the Super Bowl, of course it is. That is exactly what the front office, coaches and team strive for every year, however fans that believe that fans' thought process that only one team wins the Super Bowl every year and that it isn't some huge let down when the team fails to win when there are obvious glaring deficiencies in the roster is suspect at best. The deficiencies from last season has been talked to death and I won't go into it again.

Regarding your point of winning the division, it is pretty simple. The winner of the division the past three seasons has been the team that drafted early for years on end and finally got the pieces in the right place and were healthier longer than we were. Even with the slew of injuries on the offensive side of the ball and the lack of defensive talent, we still could have won the division with one more win.

And please read what I wrote "We are not avg but we are not were we could be". That said your reply was one of the best I have read, simple, directe and polite so thank you.

The whooe gist of my replies are directed to those who seem to think we should be happy were we are at. I am not nor is the team. Are there extenuating circumstance of course but there always are even to win an SB certain things must go right. My biggest issue is even with those circumstances injuries etc, we could have done better and gone father were it not for coaching inflexibility.

All that asisde even some improvment would be welcome but we have not gotten beyond the 2nd round since 2014, So were is the improvement? there is none. Now if last year we got to the NFC CHampionship and lost I would be like hey we got to the NFC Championship that is improvement. But we have not, we have not won our division is years, we have not had a buy in years and we have not gotten beyond the 2nd round in years. Yes there are circumstanes aorudn that as you pointed out but that doe snot chaneg the fact that we have not improved. So that is my point I am not content nor should anyone be with were we are. More important if the players and coaches are not content we shold not be either.