Was the Niners roughing the passer penalty the right call?

[AbsolutNET]

Bullshit, like I said if I knew how to post a pic I would, you can clearly see Brooks has his arm across his chest, not his neck. And if you watch the play in full motion you will see that Bree's body goes back and his head goes forward, way forward. That wouldn't have happened it Brooks had him by the neck, neck and body both would have been moving back.

Anyone can post a pic at different angle as he is going down, try looking at pics of initial hit.

And in the same game Kaep gets tackled around the neck too, no call.

This call is just as much bullshit as the call when you guys tackled Ryan, back in the day they use to call it a "shoestring tackle", now its "roughing the passer" BULLSHIT!!!!

I don't doubt that in a single picture somewhere on the internet, Brooks was not touching Brees' neck. But in this one, he is.

It's like the Steelers/Cardinals super bowl when some Arizona radio station posted a dozen pictures of Holmes' toes not touching the ground on that winning TD catch. They just left out the pictures where both toes were touching.

So I guess the pic of Kaep getting tackled with a head lock is trick photography? And not by the neck? The bigger problem is why are only certain QBs getting the calls?

So it was a penalty and should have been called?

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

You can't clothesline a QB like that. End of story. The official rulebook also gives considerable freedom to officials for roughing the passer/unnecessary roughness.

Look at how nobody cares about Green Bay now that Rodgers isn't playing, and he's only out for like a month at most. QB is everything in this league, and they're protected accordingly.

Plus, the 49ers were lucky to even be IN that game at the end. Negative yardage for the 49ers offense in the 4th quarter and ONE drive down the field for points in the entire game where they didn't get a very short field from a turnover.

Give me a break. The 49ers defense came to play, and the offense is still sucking. The Saints played good defense and good offense, and they were far more effective on offense. It's not like the 49ers got robbed of anything like HALF the posters on the Jokezone are claiming. Ridiculous.

Not all QBs. So I guess you agreed with the call when you guys made the shoestring tackle on Ryan?

Regardless of how our offense played, we still scored 17 of our 20 points off turn overs, had we kept the ball after that call who's to say we don't score again. And we were not trying to score to take the lead, we had the lead and just had to maintain it. You are delusional if you think it didn't have anything to do with the outcome.

 

[Polaris]

You can't clothesline a QB like that. End of story. The official rulebook also gives considerable freedom to officials for roughing the passer/unnecessary roughness.

Look at how nobody cares about Green Bay now that Rodgers isn't playing, and he's only out for like a month at most. QB is everything in this league, and they're protected accordingly.

Plus, the 49ers were lucky to even be IN that game at the end. Negative yardage for the 49ers offense in the 4th quarter and ONE drive down the field for points in the entire game where they didn't get a very short field from a turnover.

Give me a break. The 49ers defense came to play, and the offense is still sucking. The Saints played good defense and good offense, and they were far more effective on offense. It's not like the 49ers got robbed of anything like HALF the posters on the Jokezone are claiming. Ridiculous.

Not all QBs. So I guess you agreed with the call when you guys made the shoestring tackle on Ryan?

Regardless of how our offense played, we still scored 17 of our 20 points off turn overs, had we kept the ball after that call who's to say we don't score again. And we were not trying to score to take the lead, we had the lead and just had to maintain it. You are delusional if you think it didn't have anything to do with the outcome.

Most of us were outraged at the time, but when the rule was reviewed, we understood that it WAS the right call technically. Our question was "what should Bennett have done"? A question I still have. In Brook's case, had he not decided to try to decapitate Brees, he would have been fine. (Hint, tackle Brees 4-6 inches lower). Given past behavior by the Niners both Coach and fans, my sympathy is quite limited.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Not all QBs. So I guess you agreed with the call when you guys made the shoestring tackle on Ryan?

Regardless of how our offense played, we still scored 17 of our 20 points off turn overs, had we kept the ball after that call who's to say we don't score again. And we were not trying to score to take the lead, we had the lead and just had to maintain it. You are delusional if you think it didn't have anything to do with the outcome.

Come into the .NET live chat during our games a few times. You'll see that I'm actually very realistic when it comes to calls. If memory serves, when that happened, I said "I ******* hate that rule, but it's technically the right call." (Not verbatim, I'm sure, but that's the gist of what I said.)

 

[onanygivensunday]

I voted "Yes" on GPs... then I watched the play for the first time.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

Not all QBs. So I guess you agreed with the call when you guys made the shoestring tackle on Ryan?

Regardless of how our offense played, we still scored 17 of our 20 points off turn overs, had we kept the ball after that call who's to say we don't score again. And we were not trying to score to take the lead, we had the lead and just had to maintain it. You are delusional if you think it didn't have anything to do with the outcome.

Come into the .NET live chat during our games a few times. You'll see that I'm actually very realistic when it comes to calls. If memory serves, when that happened, I said "I ******* hate that rule, but it's technically the right call." (Not verbatim, I'm sure, but that's the gist of what I said.)

Ok fair enough.

 

[VivaEfrenHerrera]

So I guess the pic of Kaep getting tackled with a head lock is trick photography? And not by the neck? The bigger problem is why are only certain QBs getting the calls?

Is there a gif/vid of that play somewhere that you've found? I'd like to see it to get at least a little context. Of course, the rules should be enforced equally, and it does seem like the so-called "running" QBs -- Papaki, RW, RG -- are less protected than the "classic pocket-passers". (Hey, those three have something else in common besides being "running" QBs. Hmmm...) But it's hard to tell too much from that one still.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

You cannot clothesline a QB like that. I think that the call was "right" in the sense that refs are instructed to and will call that every time, especially for star QBs, but that it was "wrong" in the sense that it was a good tackle and should not be something that the refs are instructed to call.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your sub-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Would you be saying the same thing if this exact situation happened to Seattle?

Considering we received a dubious roughing the passer call last week on the sack by Bennett on Ryan, yes I would be saying the same thing. You can go through my posts and see that I did not complain about that call one time. It sucked it happened like that, but Bennett hit Ryan in the knee before wrapping up the ankles. That was, by the rule, roughing the passer.

If Bennett clotheslined Ryan, Brees, Krapperdick, I would expect a roughing the passer call, no doubt.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

You cannot clothesline a QB like that. I think that the call was "right" in the sense that refs are instructed to and will call that every time, especially for star QBs, but that it was "wrong" in the sense that it was a good tackle and should not be something that the refs are instructed to call.

This, exactly.

So I guess the pic of Kaep getting tackled with a head lock is trick photography? And not by the neck? The bigger problem is why are only certain QBs getting the calls?

Is there a gif/vid of that play somewhere that you've found? I'd like to see it to get at least a little context. Of course, the rules should be enforced equally, and it does seem like the so-called "running" QBs -- Papaki, RW, RG -- are less protected than the "classic pocket-passers". (Hey, those three have something else in common besides being "running" QBs. Hmmm...) But it's hard to tell too much from that one still.

This article has a gif of it.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/17/ ... -vs-saints

 

[AbsolutNET]

Everyone seems to be missing the fact that Brooks' shoulder went right onto Brees' ear hole, which will get called 100% of the time as well.

 

[Blitzer88]

No, terrible call.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

Everyone seems to be missing the fact that Brooks' shoulder went right onto Brees' ear hole, which will get called 100% of the time as well.

Good point Absolut.

 

[hawker84]

we were and are the poster team for getting screwed on calls, throughout our history, you could say we know a thing or two about being on the wrong end of these calls. in this case it was the right call. And i hate this protect the QB crap, but it's a business now, and these franchise QB's are literally worth their weight in gold. These calls are going to get made more often than not now adays.

 

[RichNhansom]

Wonder how the Niner fans are going to react when Brooks gets fined?

 

[RolandDeschain]

Wonder how the Niner fans are going to react when Brooks gets fined?

 

[253hawk]

There were so many tears, I was worried that New Orleans was going to flood again.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

I thought it was a penalty right away. Nearly took his head off.

 

[RolandDeschain]

There were so many tears, I was worried that New Orleans was going to flood again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Good one. Really.

 

[RichNhansom]

Wonder how the Niner fans are going to react when Brooks gets fined?

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