Was the Niners roughing the passer penalty the right call?

[hawksfansinceday1]

I would be far more willing to sympathize with Whiner fans if they'd come in here and admit straight up the Hawks got totally screwed in XL* and should've been champions that season and in the Testeverde helmet "TD" game and should've been a playoff team that year. C'mon guys, let's hear it!



I will say I agree with you guys that the NFL needs full-time officials. In fact, many people here have been saying that for a very long time. But, where were your voices after XL* on the subject?

 

[Laloosh]

I would be more inclined to accept the call if the flag came out right away, flag didn't come out until ref saw the fumble and it was recovered by SF. And if that wasn't Drew Brees or one of the other "protected" QBs that call wouldn't have happened.

I'm not buying that, he pulled it and threw it pretty quickly. It would have been called on any qb in any game, imo. If you watch it in full speed, it looks like he got clothes lined above the shoulders.

I do agree with the rest of your post though. With the amount of money the league pulls in, skimping on full time refs is ridiculous. They get paid pretty well as it is after being around a few years, why not make them full time?

Wouldn't have mattered anyway, it's Brees, Kaep got tackled around the neck in that game too, no call.

If I knew how to post pic I would show you.

Don't say I never did anything for you...

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

Thanks E.C.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your sub-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

 

[VivaEfrenHerrera]

OK, here's three more stills/pics of Brooks not hitting Brees in the neck. :roll:

 

[AbsolutNET]

Bullshit, like I said if I knew how to post a pic I would, you can clearly see Brooks has his arm across his chest, not his neck. And if you watch the play in full motion you will see that Bree's body goes back and his head goes forward, way forward. That wouldn't have happened it Brooks had him by the neck, neck and body both would have been moving back.

Anyone can post a pic at different angle as he is going down, try looking at pics of initial hit.

And in the same game Kaep gets tackled around the neck too, no call.

This call is just as much bullshit as the call when you guys tackled Ryan, back in the day they use to call it a "shoestring tackle", now its "roughing the passer" BULLSHIT!!!!

I don't doubt that in a single picture somewhere on the internet, Brooks was not touching Brees' neck. But in this one, he is.

It's like the Steelers/Cardinals super bowl when some Arizona radio station posted a dozen pictures of Holmes' toes not touching the ground on that winning TD catch. They just left out the pictures where both toes were touching.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your self-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Keep this in mind when you guys head to the playoffs. Dont want to hear any "we lost cause of bad calls" cause you know they're coming. Kinda hard to play the game without getting a little rough. Guys that play Rugby are laughing their asses off at the NFL these days.

 

[Polaris]

It doesn't matter how many stills there are of Brooks not touching the neck, if his army hit Brees' neck AT ALL during the sack (and it indisputably does), then the call is the correct one. Period. If you must blame the rule, but don't blame the ref for following that rule.

If you watch the play in real time, that play gets flagged 10 times out of 10.

 

[Laloosh]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your self-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Keep this in mind when you guys head to the playoffs. Dont want to hear any "we lost cause of bad calls" cause you know they're coming. Kinda hard to play the game without getting a little rough. Guys that play Rugby are laughing their asses off at the NFL these days.

If that happens to Manning, Brady or Brees, it's getting called. "."

 

[JGfromtheNW]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your self-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Keep this in mind when you guys head to the playoffs. Dont want to hear any "we lost cause of bad calls" cause you know they're coming. Kinda hard to play the game without getting a little rough. Guys that play Rugby are laughing their asses off at the NFL these days.

I don't give a damn about jokes of sports like Rugby and Lacrosse... Anyway...

As a Seahawks fan, I always keep in mind that we're going to get shit calls. It's something that happens every week.

 

[AbsolutNET]

Keep this in mind when you guys head to the playoffs. Dont want to hear any "we lost cause of bad calls" cause you know they're coming. Kinda hard to play the game without getting a little rough. Guys that play Rugby are laughing their asses off at the NFL these days.

No one disagrees with that.

I know moral victories don't exist for teams that want to push for conference championships, but I'm impressed with how close the 9ers were to beating the Saints in what was recently called a place the Saints weren't capable of losing in.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Keep this in mind when you guys head to the playoffs. Dont want to hear any "we lost cause of bad calls" cause you know they're coming. Kinda hard to play the game without getting a little rough. Guys that play Rugby are laughing their asses off at the NFL these days.

To your first point: Of course we're going to complain about bad calls against the Hawks in the playoffs, just like we do in the regular season. The difference between us and you is that we don't go to Whiner boards to do it. We stay here on a Seahawks board.

To your second point: Agree 100%. Rog has pussified the NFL because of lawsuits. Let me give you an example.....the Chancellor hit on Vernon Davis in the game at the CLink last year. It was a clean, hard hit yet it drew a penalty flag. Where was your outrage after that call? You Frisco fans are laughable.

 

[Polaris]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your self-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Keep this in mind when you guys head to the playoffs. Dont want to hear any "we lost cause of bad calls" cause you know they're coming. Kinda hard to play the game without getting a little rough. Guys that play Rugby are laughing their asses off at the NFL these days.

There are genuinely bad calls, and there are boardline calls that are technically correct. In this case, I am seeing a bunch of whining. The Neck WAS hit and that IS a penalty. Period.

 

[RolandDeschain]

You can't clothesline a QB like that. End of story. The official rulebook also gives considerable freedom to officials for roughing the passer/unnecessary roughness.

Look at how nobody cares about Green Bay now that Rodgers isn't playing, and he's only out for like a month at most. QB is everything in this league, and they're protected accordingly.

Plus, the 49ers were lucky to even be IN that game at the end. Negative yardage for the 49ers offense in the 4th quarter and ONE drive down the field for points in the entire game where they didn't get a very short field from a turnover.

Give me a break. The 49ers defense came to play, and the offense is still sucking. The Saints played good defense and good offense, and they were far more effective on offense. It's not like the 49ers got robbed of anything like HALF the posters on the Jokezone are claiming. Ridiculous.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

Bullshit, like I said if I knew how to post a pic I would, you can clearly see Brooks has his arm across his chest, not his neck. And if you watch the play in full motion you will see that Bree's body goes back and his head goes forward, way forward. That wouldn't have happened it Brooks had him by the neck, neck and body both would have been moving back.

Anyone can post a pic at different angle as he is going down, try looking at pics of initial hit.

And in the same game Kaep gets tackled around the neck too, no call.

This call is just as much bullshit as the call when you guys tackled Ryan, back in the day they use to call it a "shoestring tackle", now its "roughing the passer" BULLSHIT!!!!

I don't doubt that in a single picture somewhere on the internet, Brooks was not touching Brees' neck. But in this one, he is.

It's like the Steelers/Cardinals super bowl when some Arizona radio station posted a dozen pictures of Holmes' toes not touching the ground on that winning TD catch. They just left out the pictures where both toes were touching.

So I guess the pic of Kaep getting tackled with a head lock is trick photography? And not by the neck? The bigger problem is why are only certain QBs getting the calls?

 

[SF49r]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your sub-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Would you be saying the same thing if this exact situation happened to Seattle?

 

[Laloosh]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your sub-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Would you be saying the same thing if this exact situation happened to Seattle?

Doesn't really matter, does it?

 

[Polaris]

Bullshit, like I said if I knew how to post a pic I would, you can clearly see Brooks has his arm across his chest, not his neck. And if you watch the play in full motion you will see that Bree's body goes back and his head goes forward, way forward. That wouldn't have happened it Brooks had him by the neck, neck and body both would have been moving back.

Anyone can post a pic at different angle as he is going down, try looking at pics of initial hit.

And in the same game Kaep gets tackled around the neck too, no call.

This call is just as much bullshit as the call when you guys tackled Ryan, back in the day they use to call it a "shoestring tackle", now its "roughing the passer" BULLSHIT!!!!

I don't doubt that in a single picture somewhere on the internet, Brooks was not touching Brees' neck. But in this one, he is.

It's like the Steelers/Cardinals super bowl when some Arizona radio station posted a dozen pictures of Holmes' toes not touching the ground on that winning TD catch. They just left out the pictures where both toes were touching.

So I guess the pic of Kaep getting tackled with a head lock is trick photography? And not by the neck? The bigger problem is why are only certain QBs getting the calls?

What are the circumstances? If Kaep was a runner, the rules are a bit different. I also note that refs don't see everything. Nevertheless I have more sympathy with this argument. I do think that rules should be enforced equally, and if they weren't then yes you have a legit complaint. But don't whine about a flag that was correctly thrown.

 

[Polaris]

It was the correct call, no matter how many Whiner tears are shed.

It was a clothesline on an NFL golden boy, you don't expect that to get called? That's probably stemming from your sub-conscious entitlement issues of being a SF fan. The dude had a free shot and his arm was never lower than the "V" on Brees' jersey, you know, where one's NECK and chest meet.

Does it mean that everyone has to like it? No. There was a time where this type of hit was totally normal. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case the last five years, so get used to it.

PS - I feel no sympathy for a guy who should be in jail for assaulting his teammate getting flagged on a play like that.

Would you be saying the same thing if this exact situation happened to Seattle?

It has happened to us, and we grouse about the rules protecting the passer but we admit (at least most of us) when the call is the technically correct one (as this is). What burns us more are DPI calls made by officials that obviously didn't read the rules on PI (Mike Carrey I am talking to YOU).

 

[RolandDeschain]

So I guess the pic of Kaep getting tackled with a head lock is trick photography? And not by the neck? The bigger problem is why are only certain QBs getting the calls?

I hate you for putting me in the position of defending the officials, because I don't like officiating in the NFL; but have you ever actually been an official for football at any level? When I was 15/16, I worked at the YMCA and I did officiating for junior high and younger football, as well as various other sports. Trying to track everything that can happen in football is hard. It is FAR harder than the officiating for baseball, soccer, and basketball. Those other ones are not even close. I can't imagine trying to do football officiating at a collegiate/professional level. There are so many things you can miss by simply blinking your eyes, it's not even funny. My main problem with NFL officiating is not correcting mistakes; being too timid to pick a flag back up off the ground, or correct a wrong call. Missing things in the first place earns way more hate from people than is warranted, IMO.

It's a TOUGH job, which is why we need to make officials realize that it's alright to admit you blew a call, just correct it and don't pretend it was the right one in the first place.

If you haven't actually tried to officiate football, you really don't know what it's like.