via con dios, Sherman, the writings on the wall

[MizzouHawkGal]

Sorry, but this thread is lame. At no point in that article did Sherman imply he was leaving because the Hawks won't pay him. He's an RFA, so unless some team wants to pay him ridiculous money the Hawks can't match, he's not going anywhere this next season. And I think he's more of a team player than some of you give him credit.

Either way, the Super Bowl was just 5 days ago. Can we just enjoy it and trust John to do his job?

OPs not talking about this year. The OP thinks that quote is foreshadowing what Sherms mindset is going to be when his day comes to be a free agent. Which I agree with OP.

Could you give me this week's Powerball numbers then? Since it seems you read minds and know the future.

Lol you don't have to be a mind reader to see the undertones of that quote.

Maybe but I respectfully disagree with you.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Thomas will get extended this offseason, his cap number will be accelerated in 2014 to be a bigger hit so that to allow RW to get extended in 2015. RW gets extended in 2015 and accelerated in 2015 for a bigger cap hit. Sherman will be franchise tagged. 2015 will be a tough year for salary cap and some tough decisions will have to be made for the Hawks.

You're playing with fire letting Sherm go into 2015 as a unrestricted FA.

He's earned his paycheck, you DON'T make him wait or worse franchise him in 2015. Not only could it create a toxic relationship, it undermines what you've been telling all these players since they were drafted............"Play your ass off and we'll pay you."

 

[Anonymous]

He stays.

I don't think it will cost that much either.

 

[Largent80]

Who cares what it costs, really?

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Thomas will get extended this offseason, his cap number will be accelerated in 2014 to be a bigger hit so that to allow RW to get extended in 2015. RW gets extended in 2015 and accelerated in 2015 for a bigger cap hit. Sherman will be franchise tagged. 2015 will be a tough year for salary cap and some tough decisions will have to be made for the Hawks.

You're playing with fire letting Sherm go into 2015 as a unrestricted FA.

He's earned his paycheck, you DON'T make him wait or worse franchise him in 2015. Not only could it create a toxic relationship, it undermines what you've been telling all these players since they were drafted............"Play your ass off and we'll pay you."

They may have no choice besides I thought he is RFA in 2015?

 

[Rocket]

Sorry, but this thread is lame. At no point in that article did Sherman imply he was leaving because the Hawks won't pay him. He's an RFA, so unless some team wants to pay him ridiculous money the Hawks can't match, he's not going anywhere this next season. And I think he's more of a team player than some of you give him credit.

Either way, the Super Bowl was just 5 days ago. Can we just enjoy it and trust John to do his job?

OPs not talking about this year. The OP thinks that quote is foreshadowing what Sherms mindset is going to be when his day comes to be a free agent. Which I agree with OP.

That's what the OP ( I ) meant. Didn't mean to imply tomorrow.
My humblest apologies to all whom have gotten colitis from my post.
My humblest apologies.

 

[volsunghawk]

Thomas will get extended this offseason, his cap number will be accelerated in 2014 to be a bigger hit so that to allow RW to get extended in 2015. RW gets extended in 2015 and accelerated in 2015 for a bigger cap hit. Sherman will be franchise tagged. 2015 will be a tough year for salary cap and some tough decisions will have to be made for the Hawks.

You're playing with fire letting Sherm go into 2015 as a unrestricted FA.

He's earned his paycheck, you DON'T make him wait or worse franchise him in 2015. Not only could it create a toxic relationship, it undermines what you've been telling all these players since they were drafted............"Play your ass off and we'll pay you."

They may have no choice besides I thought he is RFA in 2015?

Sherm will be a RFA in 2014 and will be UFA in 2015.

Which means the Seahawks will be working to give him an extension and hefty raise in 2014.

 

[lsheldon]

I don't think cap issues will be that big of a deal. They likely won't be able to keep everyone on the current squad, but I bet they keep most of who they want to. Between the 2013 draft players still sitting on the practice squad, the 2014 draft, and free agency I see this team being deeper, stronger, faster, and more formidable in 2014 than the SB team we have now.

You're worrying too much about this too soon. Enjoy the feeling of winning the first Super Bowl in franchise history. Have faith in John Schneider., Pete Carroll, and Paul Allen. They want another winner too.

 

[HawkWow]

Sorry, but this thread is lame. At no point in that article did Sherman imply he was leaving because the Hawks won't pay him. He's an RFA, so unless some team wants to pay him ridiculous money the Hawks can't match, he's not going anywhere this next season. And I think he's more of a team player than some of you give him credit.

Either way, the Super Bowl was just 5 days ago. Can we just enjoy it and trust John to do his job?

OPs not talking about this year. The OP thinks that quote is foreshadowing what Sherms mindset is going to be when his day comes to be a free agent. Which I agree with OP.

That's what the OP ( I ) meant. Didn't mean to imply tomorrow.
My humblest apologies to all whom have gotten colitis from my post.
My humblest apologies.

Was that...the warm smell of colitis, rising up in the air?

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

Some of us need to read that article again. He understands it's a business, and that some of the team will not be here next year. That is a fact, as much as he or any other Twelve doesn't like it. But notice how he says it. The whole article, he essentially says, "Some of those guys aren't going to be here next year, because it's a business. It's understandable, even if we will miss them." Sounds to me like he's most definitely planning on being a part of this team in the future.

And good. He's one of the faces of the franchise, and one of our most valuable players. He's part of the heart and soul of the defense and the team. We need him here. And I have few doubts we'll keep him.

 

[LymonHawk]

LOL! Somethings never change! Good job.

 

[jblaze]

Thomas will get extended this offseason, his cap number will be accelerated in 2014 to be a bigger hit so that to allow RW to get extended in 2015. RW gets extended in 2015 and accelerated in 2015 for a bigger cap hit. Sherman will be franchise tagged. 2015 will be a tough year for salary cap and some tough decisions will have to be made for the Hawks.

You're playing with fire letting Sherm go into 2015 as a unrestricted FA.

He's earned his paycheck, you DON'T make him wait or worse franchise him in 2015. Not only could it create a toxic relationship, it undermines what you've been telling all these players since they were drafted............"Play your ass off and we'll pay you."

Not really. Sherm is ours if we want in 2015 as a franchise tag. He may get mad, he may hold out. My thought is that after 2015 maybe you let him walk and bring in the next guy. I'm not sure any DB is worth 13-15mil.

Also you can only pay so many of these guys. I really think Kam and ET are the ones who make the secondary run. They allow these corners to press or take gambles because they've got solid help over top. I think PC and JS could find other talent a lot cheaper and the money could be spent somewhere else more wisely.

I love Sherm but he may get the shaft in this. Currently the defense has 52mil in cap, if you lock up Bennett, Kam, Thomas, that doesn't leave a lot left.

 

[DavidSeven]

Some of us need to read that article again. He understands it's a business, and that some of the team will not be here next year. That is a fact, as much as he or any other Twelve doesn't like it. But notice how he says it. The whole article, he essentially says, "Some of those guys aren't going to be here next year, because it's a business. It's understandable, even if we will miss them." Sounds to me like he's most definitely planning on being a part of this team in the future.

And good. He's one of the faces of the franchise, and one of our most valuable players. He's part of the heart and soul of the defense and the team. We need him here. And I have few doubts we'll keep him.

Agreed. Do you guys remember when Kam signed his extension, he said the organization told him a full year earlier that "they would take care of him." Is there any doubt that they told Sherman the exact same thing last year? He already knows that he is one of the pillars for this franchise. I guarantee that.

 

[jblaze]

Thomas will get extended this offseason, his cap number will be accelerated in 2014 to be a bigger hit so that to allow RW to get extended in 2015. RW gets extended in 2015 and accelerated in 2015 for a bigger cap hit. Sherman will be franchise tagged. 2015 will be a tough year for salary cap and some tough decisions will have to be made for the Hawks.

You're playing with fire letting Sherm go into 2015 as a unrestricted FA.

He's earned his paycheck, you DON'T make him wait or worse franchise him in 2015. Not only could it create a toxic relationship, it undermines what you've been telling all these players since they were drafted............"Play your ass off and we'll pay you."

They may have no choice besides I thought he is RFA in 2015?

Sherm will be a RFA in 2014 and will be UFA in 2015.

Which means the Seahawks will be working to give him an extension and hefty raise in 2014.

No. Sherm is under contract for 2014 in the 4th year of his rookie contract. He's UFA in 2015 but we can franchise him if we choose. He won't get extended this offseason, but perhaps next or even the one after that if we franchise.

 

[jblaze]

Sherman will sign for 6 years 67 million... The deal will be cap friendly for 4 years (7 to 8 mill per season) but hit around 20 million per season in years 5 and 6.

ET will sign for 6 years 55 million. Similar deal to above.

Kam was a bargain this year at 5 years 23 million... huge!

I would be happy with that contract for Sherm but I think he will ask for more.

ET, that's pretty close.

Kam was 5 years and 30mil, not 23mil. Plus he can earn another 6mil in incentives.

 

[DavidSeven]

No. Sherm is under contract for 2014 in the 4th year of his rookie contract. He's UFA in 2015 but we can franchise him if we choose. He won't get extended this offseason, but perhaps next or even the one after that if we franchise.

If you wait a year, it's no longer an "extension." You're letting him test the open market, and you get no discount from the player in exchange for making some money in advance. I think he gets extended now. It will cost you more later if you wait.

The NFL cap is going to balloon in 2015 when the new CBS Thursday Night money gets calculated in. You can structure an extension in a way that makes use of that fact. Otherwise, you're letting every team with newly inflated cap space bid on him.

 

[WilsonMVP]

You're BS crazy if you don't think both of these players will be the highest paid players at their positions. The Seahawks are already over the cap, and that is without Bennett, Breno, McDonald/Daniel, Hauschka, Robinson, etc. And they're going to come up with 45 more million per year to sign Sherman/Thomas and Wilson within the next 13 months. Sorry, but there is just about zero chance that they get all three, even if they cut Red, Clemons, Rice and Miller. And after these four guys are gone, they don't look like they're going to have dead money they can cut to make more room in future seasons.

If they do sign all three (Wilson, Sherm, Earl), they aren't signing Bennett, Tate, Breno, Hauschka, whoever is up next year, the year after that, or the year after that, and they aren't bringing anybody in. I've tried to stay very optimistic, but I don't see any possible way that they can keep all three. Even two is going to make the cap room extremely cozy.

a. the Seahawks are not over the cap
b. there are a number of players coming off the books who will lower the cap
c. the cap goes up every year
d. you dont get paid to figure those things out. people who do and are good at it will find a way.

the consensus is that Wilson will work to ensure his next contract will allow the team to be successful. Thomas strikes me as doing something similar. They want to win.

as for Sherman, let's think a bit about who he is. He's the center of attention. He thrives on it. He needs it. Taking big money to go play for a team that wont be competitive, that doesnt have that chance year in/year out to reach a super bowl is not what he wants. He can make his money in endorsements. He wants to be on national tv, he wants to be deep in the playoffs, he wants to be interviews, etc.

for once, Seahawk fans, try and really enjoy what just happened. winning can have a massive impact on athletes decisions.

Ocho Cinco was able to make his presence felt on an average to above average team....Terrell Oens got plenty of attention on average to above average teams. You don't have to be on elite teams to make the media every week.

Both of them were WR...Sherman is a CB

 

[jblaze]

No. Sherm is under contract for 2014 in the 4th year of his rookie contract. He's UFA in 2015 but we can franchise him if we choose. He won't get extended this offseason, but perhaps next or even the one after that if we franchise.

If you wait a year, it's no longer an "extension." You're letting him test the open market, and you get no discount from the player in exchange for making some money in advance. I think he gets extended now. It will cost you more later if you wait.

The NFL cap is going to balloon in 2015 when the new CBS Thursday Night money gets calculated in. You can structure an extension in a way that makes use of that fact. Otherwise, you're letting every team with newly inflated cap space bid on him.

Players have often commented on salary structure in that they want extended in year 3 instead of bigger contracts in year 4 when UFA. Players don't care about draft position now that CBA dictates pay structure in 1st round. No more Sam Bradford making more than Tom Brady even though he's taken 0 snaps in the NFL.

No doubt he'd rather be extended now but only so much can be done. I also mentioned earlier about the tv contracts and the 10-15% increase in cap in 2015 but you have ET, Sherm, RW and Okung all due to take advantage of that fact, they can't all reap the benefits.

That's why I think you let him play 2014 under his current contract, franchise in 2015 and let him walk in 2016. I love Sherm and I hope it's not the case but it's quite possible. People such as Bob and Groz and John Clayton have said the same thing. In that scenario, you pay him one big year and get the best 4 years of his career. It's certainly not fair, but the numbers don't lie.

I suggest everyone use the salary cap calculator on overthecap.com and try to work out these scenarios on your own. The numbers are just not there. If we have to lose anyone, I think it's Sherm and they know it.

 

[HawkWow]

Totally agree with your strategy, Blaze. Sherm's the man, but I don't see us breaking the bank on him. And we don't have to, either. Not yet.

He's under contract in 14 and barring the unforeseeable, we can F-tag him in 15 and keep him for top 5 money. This act will save us a small fortune and allow us to take care of other needs. This approach may even be the difference in us winning another SB.

Over the next 2 years, we are further developing talent at the position. If after the next 2 years Sherman is still Sherman, no ACLs etc, we can negotiate a deal at that time. IF he is pissed by the previous F-tag, that allowed us to take care of other key players, he will be free to go elsewhere but we will have a guy waiting in the wings...just as he once was, should he no longer wish to be a Hawk.

Why put our cards on the table now when we can see his hand for the next 2 years? None of us would be overly happy if we hit him with like 40 mil guaranteed and then he blows a knee in 14, never to fully recover. It happens.

We are holding the cards, not Sherman. That's the bad news for him. The good news for him is money is now flowing in from every angle thanks to this team winning a SB along with his dynamic personality. Like RW, Sherm is no longer living on $400k. 4 mil is more likely. Bank on that.

 

[jblaze]

The other thing that is interesting from a salary perspective in 2013 and even heading into 2014 is that a lot of guys hit their escalators in their contracts this year due to pro bowls or all-pro seasons.

Sherm went from making 645k to 1.4mil from the escalators in his contract this year alone. He'll probably do the same next year. That along with his magnanimous personality and endorsement opportunities, perhaps he won't be so mad at the money in his contact itself. The money should come from other sources.

The problem is that I think he's got a big ego and I think he wants to get paid more than any other CB in history, not for the money, but the validation.