Unger and Breno out...

[DavidSeven]

I don't know if it's a perfect analogy, but this week really reminds me of the Huskies' situation last season where they lost multiple key linemen for most of the season. Keith Price went from Heisman hopeful to a shell of his former self. I still have faith, but losing pro-bowl talent at OL is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[volsunghawk]

If Unger is out, we will probably lose this game. Injured centers have a shockingly big effect on game play and outcomes.

No doubt. The Broncos losing their starting center just before preseason has had a massive impact on their performance to date.

That's Peyton Manning dude. He just needs a slab of meat to hike the ball to him.

So what we're saying is that an injured center DOESN'T have a shockingly big effect on game play and outcomes? :stirthepot:

The point of my Denver comparison is that one guy being out isn't a death knell, and sure as hell does't mean "we will probably lose this game."

Multiple guys being out is ABSOLUTELY a cause for concern, but as we have seen repeatedly, teams can overcome poor O-line play if the QB can escape the increased pressure he'll likely face. One way of escaping that pressure is getting the ball out quickly on a short drop and quick slant, as Manning has shown time and again over his career. Another way of escaping that pressure is by designing plays that move the QB out of the pocket, which we have done often since Wilson won the starting job. A third way is simply through QB scrambling/improvisation, which is another thing that Wilson has done regularly.

Obviously, having multiple backup O-linemen playing is not the ideal situation, especially when you've got 2 road games against strong teams coming up. But it by no means is a guarantee of a loss, and people need to stop acting as if it is.

 

[davidonmi]

Calm down, I watched the huskies oline last year, with cable coaching it will never be that bad

 

[lukerguy]

What PC said was more of a doubtful tag. To say that he has already been ruled out is a completely different decision, and the reason why I wanted to see if there was a link confirming such.

They both most likely won't play anyway, but declaring them out before game time means their injuries are more severe than we thought.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Opportunity for guys to step up. Bowie, Bailey, etc. Time to earn that ring fellas.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

If Unger is out, we will probably lose this game. Injured centers have a shockingly big effect on game play and outcomes.

No doubt. The Broncos losing their starting center just before preseason has had a massive impact on their performance to date.

That's Peyton Manning dude. He just needs a slab of meat to hike the ball to him.

So what we're saying is that an injured center DOESN'T have a shockingly big effect on game play and outcomes? :stirthepot:

The point of my Denver comparison is that one guy being out isn't a death knell, and sure as hell does't mean "we will probably lose this game."

Multiple guys being out is ABSOLUTELY a cause for concern, but as we have seen repeatedly, teams can overcome poor O-line play if the QB can escape the increased pressure he'll likely face. One way of escaping that pressure is getting the ball out quickly on a short drop and quick slant, as Manning has shown time and again over his career. Another way of escaping that pressure is by designing plays that move the QB out of the pocket, which we have done often since Wilson won the starting job. A third way is simply through QB scrambling/improvisation, which is another thing that Wilson has done regularly.

Obviously, having multiple backup O-linemen playing is not the ideal situation, especially when you've got 2 road games against strong teams coming up. But it by no means is a guarantee of a loss, and people need to stop acting as if it is.

You use the ONE example where losing the center doesn't impact the team. In every other instance, it does. Nice try, but epic fail making your point.

 

[pehawk]

I remember last year everyone was saying we'd lose because Okung wasn't going to face DeMarcus Ware. Yes, EVERYONE, except me.

And, again, people really aren't understanding my point about whining. Russell's style of play will ALWAYS make pass protection look worse than it is. That style of play also means deep drops and longer routes. The line is built to run first, from the ground up. Just because you guys don't understand that doesn't mean the line sucks. I don't understand physics, but I also don't argue about when the pyramids were made.

This team, with Russell, will never be masters of the short passing game. Will never happen.

I guess we could hire Holmgren and bring back Matt Flynn to shut you guys up?

 

[Largent80]

The good news I believe Ryan, is that these guys got some game experience last week and did not look bad.

Our defense is ultra elite. We are winnin.

Sincerely,

Carlester Crumpler

 

[Hawknballs]

I just am not sure why you insist on calling it 'whining'. Is it seriously "whining" to have concerns about injuries? Is having concerns and 'whining' the same thing? I see a lot of concern on this thread about the line but I don't see a single ounce of 'whining'.

 

[Sarlacc83]

No doubt. The Broncos losing their starting center just before preseason has had a massive impact on their performance to date.

That's Peyton Manning dude. He just needs a slab of meat to hike the ball to him.

So what we're saying is that an injured center DOESN'T have a shockingly big effect on game play and outcomes? :stirthepot:

The point of my Denver comparison is that one guy being out isn't a death knell, and sure as hell does't mean "we will probably lose this game."

Multiple guys being out is ABSOLUTELY a cause for concern, but as we have seen repeatedly, teams can overcome poor O-line play if the QB can escape the increased pressure he'll likely face. One way of escaping that pressure is getting the ball out quickly on a short drop and quick slant, as Manning has shown time and again over his career. Another way of escaping that pressure is by designing plays that move the QB out of the pocket, which we have done often since Wilson won the starting job. A third way is simply through QB scrambling/improvisation, which is another thing that Wilson has done regularly.

Obviously, having multiple backup O-linemen playing is not the ideal situation, especially when you've got 2 road games against strong teams coming up. But it by no means is a guarantee of a loss, and people need to stop acting as if it is.

You use the ONE example where losing the center doesn't impact the team. In every other instance, it does. Nice try, but epic fail making your point.

You're right. I'm sure there's only ONE example where this has ever happened. Or you're just making up reasons to freak out. Which is the more likely, I wonder?

 

[bestfightstory]

There is so much condescension in this thread I just don't know where to start.

 

[pehawk]

I just am not sure why you insist on calling it 'whining'. Is it seriously "whining" to have concerns about injuries? Is having concerns and 'whining' the same thing? I see a lot of concern on this thread about the line but I don't see a single ounce of 'whining'.

Whine about injuries. But don't whine about their play before that, unless you understand the other factors. I don't understand biology, so you don't see me arguing about Jesus, do ya?

 

[volsunghawk]

No doubt. The Broncos losing their starting center just before preseason has had a massive impact on their performance to date.

That's Peyton Manning dude. He just needs a slab of meat to hike the ball to him.

So what we're saying is that an injured center DOESN'T have a shockingly big effect on game play and outcomes? :stirthepot:

The point of my Denver comparison is that one guy being out isn't a death knell, and sure as hell does't mean "we will probably lose this game."

Multiple guys being out is ABSOLUTELY a cause for concern, but as we have seen repeatedly, teams can overcome poor O-line play if the QB can escape the increased pressure he'll likely face. One way of escaping that pressure is getting the ball out quickly on a short drop and quick slant, as Manning has shown time and again over his career. Another way of escaping that pressure is by designing plays that move the QB out of the pocket, which we have done often since Wilson won the starting job. A third way is simply through QB scrambling/improvisation, which is another thing that Wilson has done regularly.

Obviously, having multiple backup O-linemen playing is not the ideal situation, especially when you've got 2 road games against strong teams coming up. But it by no means is a guarantee of a loss, and people need to stop acting as if it is.

You use the ONE example where losing the center doesn't impact the team. In every other instance, it does. Nice try, but epic fail making your point.

Nice try? Epic fail? Are you flashing back to being 12?

I cited ONE example from this freaking year. I figured it was a very good one since it's happening right now, and the team that's dealing with it is considered one of the top 2 in the league. The simple fact is that teams that lose a center and fall completely apart are almost always teams that weren't all that great in the first place. And teams that are strong in lots of other ways often find ways to overcome a loss, regardless of where that loss is.

Which kind of team do you think the Seahawks are?

 

[Anonymous]

I remember hearing something about our team having the best depth in the league, or thereabouts.

Although this news has me raising an eyebrow, it does not have me changing my plans for the weekend. As was already pointed out, our 2's and 3's had to shower along with the starters last week. Watching the Jags game, I had to hit the pause button a few times to check numbers and names after realizing certain starters were no longer in the game and the results were still the same.

Alerted, but not concerned here.

 

[pehawk]

I guess my question is; what do you do if you think all the whining about offensive line play, before the injuries, is misguided and ignorant? Because that's what it is, IMO. Its dismissive of what that line is built for, the QB's style of play and the HC preference for big plays. It also just blindly and conveniently dismisses evidence that this team passes the ball, well and far, if pressed to do so.

Even with all that, I want to fit in and be panicked about something too. When I'm panicked, I usually like to project beheading videos on the side of my house, while blurting out an odd mix of anti-sematic and anti-obese rants.

Should I do that?

 

[themunn]

Remember when we lost Thurmond and then shortly after we lost Trufant for the season?
We had some 4th string guy called Richard Sherman step up into their place and he was serviceable.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise for the likes of Bowie and/or Bailey

 

[rsm650]

Remember when we lost Thurmond and then shortly after we lost Trufant for the season?
We had some 4th string guy called Richard Sherman step up into their place and he was serviceable.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise for the likes of Bowie and/or Bailey

Hopefully Bailey and/or Bowie turn out to be all-pro :3:

 

[pehawk]

Remember when we lost Thurmond and then shortly after we lost Trufant for the season?
We had some 4th string guy called Richard Sherman step up into their place and he was serviceable.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise for the likes of Bowie and/or Bailey

Yeah, but that would mean the Seahawks are known for drafting well and having great depth and coaching. I see nothing like that.

Beheading videos start at 2 PM guys, c'mon down.

 

[Hawknballs]

so if you have criticism or concern about anything, you're just whining.

got it!

 

[Sarlacc83]

so if you have criticism or concern about anything, you're just whining.

got it!

As far as I can tell, it's the people who want the O-line to be the disaster who are casting the stones.