Trent Dilfer on Seattle D...WOAH...

[HawksFTW]

while it's clear Cowherd is a Hawks homer

Uh...what?

 

[Treefiddy]

Plus, let's be frank, isn't Dilfer a bit of a Niner homer himself?

Dilfer played 1 season for SF in 2007. So, why exactly, would he be a Niners' homer? You have some inside info?

Dilfer is often a guest on the Cowherd show... they have been known to quibble because while it's clear Cowherd is a Hawks homer, Dilfer is just as obviously a Niners homer... Maybe I'm wrong but that's the impression I get... Maybe Marvin49 could chime in on this?

EDIT: Nevermind, other posters have elaborated to support this....

While Cowherd is from the area, he is hardly a Hawk homer. He trashed us until we got good again.

 

[Marvin49]

Plus, let's be frank, isn't Dilfer a bit of a Niner homer himself?

Dilfer played 1 season for SF in 2007. So, why exactly, would he be a Niners' homer? You have some inside info?

Dilfer is often a guest on the Cowherd show... they have been known to quibble because while it's clear Cowherd is a Hawks homer, Dilfer is just as obviously a Niners homer... Maybe I'm wrong but that's the impression I get... Maybe Marvin49 could chime in on this?

EDIT: Nevermind, other posters have elaborated to support this....

Well, I can say this...

...he's made alot of very positive statements on the radio about the 49ers and when I first started listening to him I thought there was a little John Gruden in him...IE, everyone is the best player he's ever seen.

What turned me was when everything he said about specific players turned out to be TRUE. Essentially everything he predicted came to pass.

Now...its possible he's just a homer and he's been pretty lucky with his predictions...but he's been pretty damn good so far.

Still....I dunno how you can look at the Seattle D and say they aren't physical.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Maybe he's not a ninners homer and is just giving his opinion?

Worthless opinion at that.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Trent Dilfer is one of my favorites. I tuned in specifically because I knew he'd be on and was SHOCKED when he said that. I know he's a huge fan of RW.

I'd agree that the D is built around that stadium, but I wouldn't call them soft on the road either. Perhaps not quite as good, but Trent went WAY farther than I ever would.

Fact #1: No defense is as good on the road as they are at home, ever, in the history of football.
Fact #2: Trent Dilfer has made random pissy comments about the Seahawks in all ways, shapes, and forms since retiring and working in the media. He's still bitter about Holmgren choosing Hasselbeck at the early part of Hasselbeck's career and the latter part of Dilfer's. He can't accept the fact that he's the most scrub starting QB to ever get a Super Bowl ring, and everyone knows it.
Fact #3: The dude's obviously a moron. We averaged 15.3 points allowed per game on defense last year. Sure, we were BETTER at home, but ALL defenses are. Yeah Trent, our defense is built around crowd noise and they're only good there. :roll:

 

[drdiags]

I would say that the Seattle D isn't as physically stout up-front as some analyst say they are. They have had teams getting chunk runs up the gut since mid-season last year. This year, we have to find out what Tony McDaniel has to offer but to me it seems their focus has become more intent on getting pressure on the QB. How they compare to the 9ers is unknown to me, since both teams have had changes on the defensive side of the ball.

Trent looked to have a promising career going in broadcasting, but his color analyst job during MNF seems to be lacking. I think it is his voice projection. Sounds too nasally. His personal loss and him keeping his feelings out of the media until the end around here made him okay in my book. He has changed since leaving but at least he is saying what he believes. He blistered the Seahawks on the Dalton non-pick and the Carp/Moffitt picks. He had valid points but his delivery wasn't something I embraced.

 

[Laloosh]

"not even close"?

He's just selling out to whichever media market he's being broadcast in. Were he in Seattle he'd spew similar foolishness.

 

[thebanjodude]

I would say that the Seattle D isn't as physically stout up-front as some analyst say they are. They have had teams getting chunk runs up the gut since mid-season last year. This year, we have to find out what Tony McDaniel has to offer but to me it seems their focus has become more intent on getting pressure on the QB. How they compare to the 9ers is unknown to me, since both teams have had changes on the defensive side of the ball.

I completely agree. Our run D has been pretty much non-existent since the game @ San Fran last year.

 

[Throwdown]

No fly zone his ass! Step one foot in Seattle have Big Walt there ready to beat him up, that's my solution anyway...

 

[mjwhitay]

Okay, I've had enough of this talk that the Hawks D was weak and has been exposed since SF, but no one says much about the 49ers defense and the stellar performances they've put up over the past 6 games, even taking it back nine games.

San Francisco has allowed 190 in it's last 6 games. Taking it back to week 11 last year, they've allowed 26 points per game.

Seattle, in the same time frame has allowed 122 points in 8 games. 15 points a game.

Same time frame -
Yards allowed - SF - 373 yds/gm
Seattle - 309 yds/gm

Please don't use Justin Smith as the crutch. At various times, the Hawks were missing Browner, Clemons, Bryant was dealing with plantar fascia, so fact is, injuries happen.

Seems pretty clear that Seattle is the team that needs to be worried about their defense..... Obviously

 

[seahawksflow]

Trent Dilfer is one of my favorites. I tuned in specifically because I knew he'd be on and was SHOCKED when he said that. I know he's a huge fan of RW.

I'd agree that the D is built around that stadium, but I wouldn't call them soft on the road either. Perhaps not quite as good, but Trent went WAY farther than I ever would.

Fact #1: No defense is as good on the road as they are at home, ever, in the history of football.
Fact #2: Trent Dilfer has made random pissy comments about the Seahawks in all ways, shapes, and forms since retiring and working in the media. He's still bitter about Holmgren choosing Hasselbeck at the early part of Hasselbeck's career and the latter part of Dilfer's. He can't accept the fact that he's the most scrub starting QB to ever get a Super Bowl ring, and everyone knows it.
Fact #3: The dude's obviously a moron. We averaged 15.3 points allowed per game on defense last year. Sure, we were BETTER at home, but ALL defenses are. Yeah Trent, our defense is built around crowd noise and they're only good there. :roll:

That's great. But it doesn't really make sense to disprove his point with that stat unless you break up the numbers. If you shut out 5 teams at home and the defense allowed 30.6 pts average in 5 away games, Trent's point would still be valid. So here is the breakdown of last season:

Seattle Total A/Pts/G: 15. 3
Seattle home A/Pts/G: 11.88
Seattle away A/Pts/G:18.75

So Seattle D averages a 57.83% increase in points allowed while away.


Since Dilfer compared the Hawks and 49ers.. here is the 49ers break down:

49ers Total A/Pts/G: 17.06
49ers home A/Pts/G: 13.88
49ers away A/Pts/G: 20.25

So 49ers D averages a 45.89% increase in points allowed while away.


So Seattle D does seem to underperform slightly more than the 49ers D when at away games relative to their home performance.

So do the 49ers perform more on par (compared to home games) at away games than Seattle? Yes. Does that mean Seattle has a weak away D and a D built around the home field advantage? Not necessarily.

Now what makes Trent's argument a bit more interesting. Based on the numbers above, compared to their home performance, Seattle's D seems to struggle a bit more than the 49ers did when away. That being said, the 49ers D had to play arguably the TOP 3 QBs in the league AWAY, while Seattle did not. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees. Not to mention they also had to play at century link (notorious disadvantage for visiting D's). Seattle had Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady at home, no Drew Brees at all, and no 12th man type opponent (Props to you guys).

So the real question is, what happens to Seattle's Home/Away spread in A/Pts/G if they have to face the same away competition the 49ers D did? Rodgers/Brady both away, and Drew Brees away? The schedule is what it is, but its a valid point that the 49ers had a much different Defensive experience away than Seattle.

 

[Marvin49]

http://media.957thegame.com/a/80784621/ ... eid=886595

BTW to the poster above (mjwhitay)....

1) None of those guys is Justin Smith or meant anywhere near as much to their team as Justin does. Aldon was hurt as well.
2) In the past 6 games the Niners have faced Brady, Brees, Wilson and Rodgers. If you add the playoffs you can add Rodgers again, Ryan and Flacco.
3) In that same streak of games the 'Hawks faced Cutler, Kaep...............and yeah.

 

[Sarlacc83]

http://media.957thegame.com/a/80784621/trent-dilfer-joins-95-7-this-season-as-an-nfl-analyst.htm?pageid=886595

BTW to the poster above (mjwhitay)....

1) None of those guys is Justin Smith or meant anywhere near as much to their team as Justin does. Aldon was hurt as well.
2) In the past 6 games the Niners have faced Brady, Brees, Wilson and Rodgers. If you add the playoffs you can add Rodgers again, Ryan and Flacco.
3) In that same streak of games the 'Hawks faced Cutler, Kaep...............and yeah.

I like how you put Wilson in the elite category and Kaepernick in the same category as Cutler.

 

[Marvin49]

http://media.957thegame.com/a/80784621/trent-dilfer-joins-95-7-this-season-as-an-nfl-analyst.htm?pageid=886595

BTW to the poster above (mjwhitay)....

1) None of those guys is Justin Smith or meant anywhere near as much to their team as Justin does. Aldon was hurt as well.
2) In the past 6 games the Niners have faced Brady, Brees, Wilson and Rodgers. If you add the playoffs you can add Rodgers again, Ryan and Flacco.
3) In that same streak of games the 'Hawks faced Cutler, Kaep...............and yeah.

I like how you put Wilson in the elite category and Kaepernick in the same category as Cutler.

uh...I was citing QBs who were good....that was why I included Wilson, Kaep and Cutler.

Wasn't saying Cutler and Kaep sucked...the guys I DIDN'T mention are the ones who sucked.

 

[seahawksflow]

http://media.957thegame.com/a/80784621/trent-dilfer-joins-95-7-this-season-as-an-nfl-analyst.htm?pageid=886595

BTW to the poster above (mjwhitay)....

1) None of those guys is Justin Smith or meant anywhere near as much to their team as Justin does. Aldon was hurt as well.
2) In the past 6 games the Niners have faced Brady, Brees, Wilson and Rodgers. If you add the playoffs you can add Rodgers again, Ryan and Flacco.
3) In that same streak of games the 'Hawks faced Cutler, Kaep...............and yeah.

I posted something similar in the post right above yours. What would be interesting is how Pts allowed (and wins) would change for the seahawks with the same away schedule as the 49ers.

 

[Marvin49]

http://media.957thegame.com/a/80784621/trent-dilfer-joins-95-7-this-season-as-an-nfl-analyst.htm?pageid=886595

BTW to the poster above (mjwhitay)....

1) None of those guys is Justin Smith or meant anywhere near as much to their team as Justin does. Aldon was hurt as well.
2) In the past 6 games the Niners have faced Brady, Brees, Wilson and Rodgers. If you add the playoffs you can add Rodgers again, Ryan and Flacco.
3) In that same streak of games the 'Hawks faced Cutler, Kaep...............and yeah.

I posted something similar in the post right above yours. What would be interesting is how Pts allowed (and wins) would change for the seahawks with the same away schedule as the 49ers.

Yeah...but at the same time tho...

...even though the Seahawks played those teams at home, they still played those QBs. That should have reflected in more points allowed at home.

I think the Niners also had a harder schedule overall simply because they had the 1st place division schedule. Who knows. That was lasy year anyway.

I still think Dilfer is nuts on this one. Seattle is a physical D no matter what Differ says...particularly in the secondary.

 

[-The Glove-]

Trent Dilfer is one of my favorites. I tuned in specifically because I knew he'd be on and was SHOCKED when he said that. I know he's a huge fan of RW.

I'd agree that the D is built around that stadium, but I wouldn't call them soft on the road either. Perhaps not quite as good, but Trent went WAY farther than I ever would.

Fact #1: No defense is as good on the road as they are at home, ever, in the history of football.
Fact #2: Trent Dilfer has made random pissy comments about the Seahawks in all ways, shapes, and forms since retiring and working in the media. He's still bitter about Holmgren choosing Hasselbeck at the early part of Hasselbeck's career and the latter part of Dilfer's. He can't accept the fact that he's the most scrub starting QB to ever get a Super Bowl ring, and everyone knows it.
Fact #3: The dude's obviously a moron. We averaged 15.3 points allowed per game on defense last year. Sure, we were BETTER at home, but ALL defenses are. Yeah Trent, our defense is built around crowd noise and they're only good there. :roll:

Actually regarding #2 it has nothing to do with that AT ALL. Dilfer has said many times that Hasselbeck saved his life. When his 5 yr old (??) son died, he went through depression and didn't want to live. Hasselbeck was there for him throughout that whole time. He didn't like how the Seahawks "jerked" Hasselbeck around towards the latter part of his Seahawks career

 

[Tical21]

I tend to kind of agree. Physical defenses don't get pushed around in the trenches. Our secondary is physical. Absolutely. I don't know that our front seven is any better than mediocre in terms of physical play. Luckily, this isn't really a physical league anymore. It is more important that your LB's cover and that you rush the passer than it is to be physical against the run.

 

[Marvin49]

Trent Dilfer is one of my favorites. I tuned in specifically because I knew he'd be on and was SHOCKED when he said that. I know he's a huge fan of RW.

I'd agree that the D is built around that stadium, but I wouldn't call them soft on the road either. Perhaps not quite as good, but Trent went WAY farther than I ever would.

Fact #1: No defense is as good on the road as they are at home, ever, in the history of football.
Fact #2: Trent Dilfer has made random pissy comments about the Seahawks in all ways, shapes, and forms since retiring and working in the media. He's still bitter about Holmgren choosing Hasselbeck at the early part of Hasselbeck's career and the latter part of Dilfer's. He can't accept the fact that he's the most scrub starting QB to ever get a Super Bowl ring, and everyone knows it.
Fact #3: The dude's obviously a moron. We averaged 15.3 points allowed per game on defense last year. Sure, we were BETTER at home, but ALL defenses are. Yeah Trent, our defense is built around crowd noise and they're only good there. :roll:

Actually regarding #2 it has nothing to do with that AT ALL. Dilfer has said many times that Hasselbeck saved his life. When his 5 yr old (??) son died, he went through depression and didn't want to live. Hasselbeck was there for him throughout that whole time. He didn't like how the Seahawks "jerked" Hasselbeck around towards the latter part of his Seahawks career

Wow. Didn't know that.

 

[kearly]

Our pass rush is kind of a joke on the road. So I don't blame him for statement #1. Every team plays better defense at home but no team benefits more from playing defense at home than Seattle.

As far as physicality, I think he's dead wrong, unless he's referring to strength in the trenches. But in the open field? Nastiest defense in the league.