Thurmond III needs to be our #2 CB

[Missing_Clink]

I think WTIII will be much harder to keep than Browner. He's younger and more scheme-diverse. There will probably be a very nice market for him.

 

[Jeremy517]

That would be kind of a bummer if Thurmond wants to be a stickler about his contract. How many injuries did he rack up but the team kept him and had faith in him to come back? Doesnt that mean anything.

The team stuck with him through the injuries because the coaches thought he could still contribute, not because of any sense of loyalty. There is very little loyalty in the NFL, from either players or teams. It would be nice if players just wanted to stay with us even if it meant getting paid less, but that is a fantasy world. Most non-QBs who make it in the league only get one big free agent payday, and the upcoming offseason will be Thurmond's time. If the difference offers is 5% or 10% then maybe he stays, but when someone offers him 4/$40mm, he'll understandably bolt.

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

Why so many threads wanting to get rid of the guys who got us here today? I like WT just as much as anyone, but he and Browner are just two completely different players. I think that's why Maxwell was put out on the outside and WT on the nickel yesterday. Practically the entire LOB will be (rightly) expecting a pay day next year. So we may likely lose one or more of them. I will face that adversity when the time comes. But FFS enough of the bashing on our injured veteran players and be thankful that we have the depth to cover them in there absence.

 

[Basis4day]

Aren't guys like Thurmond obligated (if wanted by our front office and PC) to an RFA deal once their rookie contract expires? If so, we can always just give him a first round tender if we can't sign him for a reasonable long term deal. It would make another team signing him have to pay dearly in more than just money. Isn't that correct?

We even have other upcoming rookie deals that this can be done with as well. At least I think that is still part of the new CBA contract.

I know that Baldwin is an RFA. Thurmond was part of the old-CBA era as one of Pete's first draft. Not sure how the RFAs are determined to tell you the truth but I haven't seen Thurmond mentioned as one of those that can be RFA'd.

RFA's are pretty much extinct under the new CBA.

To be an RFA, you need to have your contract expire with only three accrued seasons in the NFL. Baldwin's rookie deal was 3 years, making him RFA (Under old CBA). Thurmond's rookie deal was 4 years, and this is his fourth year. So he was never eligible for RFA. He is unrestricted after this season.

Under the new CBA, all rookie contracts are 4 years which eliminates a players ability to have RFA because rookie contracts no longer expire with less than 4 accrued seasons.

 

[Hawks46]

Thurmond on a 3 year deal is my guess. I really doubt he signs for anything less, because he's going to be highly sought after in FA. He'll probably command a 4 year deal.

And no way BB strikes a big payday. Not with his age, declining speed, and system dependent skill set.

I find it laughable that a lot of fans think that Browner is dependent only upon our system to succeed.

There's tons of teams in the NFL that run a 3-4, focus on pressuring the QB, and require their CBs to play a lot of press man on the outside and disrupt routes/timing. Think that sounds like Browner ?

drdiags hit it on the head. We might not be able to afford either one of them, unless one of them takes a value contract. I can't see Thurmond staying if Browner is resigned and is the starter. It's not just time for him to make some money, but get a starting spot. If Browner shows some gratitude and stays on a value contract, or if some fans are right and the GMs of the league believe BB can only succeed here (/sarcasm) and no one offers him money, then you can kiss Thurmond goodbye. Dude wants to play.

 

[Schadie001]

Pretty sure Browner will be starting as soon as he is healthy. You guys are really swinging on Thurmond's sac against a team like Minn? He just isn't as physical as Browner against in press coverage. He is better suited to be the nickel, frankly I think Maxwell fits the mold that PC likes at corner more than Thurmond. If Thurmond were better than Browner it wouldn't have take an injury to replace him in the line-up. Remember it's competition Wed. every week in practice. You get your shot every week of the season to break into the starting line-up.

 

[Rocket]

Next season means nada. It doesn't exist. Or, at the very least, it exists beyond the context of how this season ends-which will detail everything that matters.

Damn... that's deep. :th2thumbs:

 

[ceej22]

Browner will probably leave for a payday. In this NFL it is inevitable. It's really nice to have depth

Maybe but who wants to pay for a 30 yr old CB coming off two injuries and has lost a half step. How many of us were questioning if Thurmond was better after Browner came back? Age is a big deal for CBs.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Why are we even talking about this? Thurmond is obviously too fragile to be in the NFL and has in fact never seen a football field before this week. He wouldn't know what to do with a football if it got thrown to him. A cornerback prone to imploding in a red cloud of disintegrating bone at any moment isn't going to command anything on the market. We'll have no trouble re-signing him to keep our bench warm for the next ten years.

/sarcasm

 

[CANHawk]

Montana's sarcasm aside. Thurmond's durability is still (and may always be) a massive question mark. He's only played in like 8 games in 3 years before this year. And BB, though he has a fantastic resume and I personally love him to death, is going to be on the wrong side of 30. They'll definitely get some interest, but these two aren't exactly going to command Revis money. We very well might be able to squeeze one or both of them under the budget.

But this scenario right here is exactly why we drafted Tharold Simon and stashed him on IR (or PUP or whatever). From what little I've seen of him, Simon might have the skillset to eclipse either one of those two guys; he kind of strikes me as a more athletic version of Brandon Browner. And with Lane, Maxwell and Shead all in the mix along with eventually locking up Sherman long term; the situation at corner is still in fantastic shape going forward. Retaining Thurmond &/or Browner is a luxury at this point IMO. We might be able to work some cap magic and sign them to something with a ton of money up front (and I hope we can cuz I love those guys), but we're going to need to free up as much cheddar as possible to lock up Sherman, Thomas, Tate, Baldwin and Wilson over the next couple of years.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Pump the brakes, one excellent game does not a starting DB make.

The moral of Thurm III's story is you can NEVER, and I repeat NEVER have enough quality DB's in the NFL.

 

[DavidSeven]

You guys are really swinging on Thurmond's sac against a team like Minn?

Could be the same folks that thought Malcolm Smith should start over Wagner based on how he played against the Cardinals and Titans. Now Wags is coming off one of his best games and that chatter ended quickly.

Or the same ones who immediately thought Antoine Winfield would be an upgrade over this very same Walter Thurmond III. They said we could never trust Thurmond to stay healthy and now they want to sign him to a multi-year deal.

"What have you done for me lately?", am I right? I'm looking forward to BB getting back healthy this year.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Pump the brakes, one excellent game does not a starting DB make.

Thurmond has shown terrific cornerback skills since he stepped on the field in 2010, including several interceptions that were snagged by other guys but initially broken on and deflected by Thurmond. He's brilliant at that like few corners in the league. He hasn't had the chance to show it all yet, because he's been either injured or superseded on the depth chart by Browner. The hints have always been there.

And CANHawk, he played in 22 games in 3 years before this year. I realize it's not the 52 we'd have hoped for from 2010-2012, but it's also not eight.

 

[CANHawk]

Pump the brakes, one excellent game does not a starting DB make.

Thurmond has shown terrific cornerback skills since he stepped on the field in 2010, including several interceptions that were snagged by other guys but initially broken on and deflected by Thurmond. He's brilliant at that like few corners in the league. He hasn't had the chance to show it all yet, because he's been either injured or superseded on the depth chart by Browner. The hints have always been there.

And CANHawk, he played in 22 games in 3 years before this year. I realize it's not the 52 we'd have hoped for from 2010-2012, but it's also not eight.

So you're right. I forgot he played in so many games his rookie year. But he was playing behind the juggernaught combo of Marcus Trufant and Kelly Jennings, so he couldn't have been on the field all that much...

 

[HawKnPeppa]

You guys are really swinging on Thurmond's sac against a team like Minn?

Could be the same folks that thought Malcolm Smith should start over Wagner based on how he played against the Cardinals and Titans. Now Wags is coming off one of his best games and that chatter ended quickly.

Or the same ones who immediately thought Antoine Winfield would be an upgrade over this very same Walter Thurmond III.

I think you have some facts scrambled. Nobody wanted Smith starting for Wagner, but there were a few people that felt K.J. Wright would be better at MLB (How short their memory is) and that Smith is better than Irvin against the run (I agree with that for now).

I agree that It's definitely a short-sighted, "what have you done for me lately" mentality.

 

[Hawks46]

Sarcasm aside, this was Thurmond's first career pick. I agree that he's a damn good cover corner. He's played in 22 games, but he hasn't started all those games. You get a lot of reps at Nickle, but still not as many as a starter, and Browner plays STs.

As for the comment above about Wagner and Wright, rewatch the Minny game. I'm almost positive Wagner's pass breakup, and maybe his pick was out of the OLB spot to that side. I definately saw Wright in at MLB while Wagner was to the side of him. I didn't get to see if the TE was that side, so don't know if it was SAM or WIL, but it happened.

 

[plyka]

According to NFL experts, Thurmond's open market value is going to price him out of Seattle's range. They may not have an opportunity to sign him or Browner unless they do some shifting of contracts. I think they end up with Lane, Maxwell and Simon plus some lower cost veterans or rookies coming in next year. Probaby why they are trying to keep Shead around. Maybe that Fenner guy as well?

We will see next year but don't get too comfy thinking there is an either/or option. May be no option out of the two.

That would be kind of a bummer if Thurmond wants to be a stickler about his contract. How many injuries did he rack up but the team kept him and had faith in him to come back? Doesnt that mean anything.

LOL...the team kept him through all those injuries because doing so WAS to their benefit (or at the time they judged it to be to their benefit), Thurmond will go wherever he goes and accept whatever contract he does, because it is to HIS benefit and his family's benefit. Don't think for a second that if keeping thurmond around wasn't to the Seahawk's benefit, they wouldn't have dropped him like a bad habit. Just like they have done to countless other players.

This is a business for a reason, don't think people in football (or really anywhere in life) either do or have the luxury to do, things for altruistic reasons.

 

[DavidSeven]

You guys are really swinging on Thurmond's sac against a team like Minn?

Could be the same folks that thought Malcolm Smith should start over Wagner based on how he played against the Cardinals and Titans. Now Wags is coming off one of his best games and that chatter ended quickly.

Or the same ones who immediately thought Antoine Winfield would be an upgrade over this very same Walter Thurmond III.

I think you have some facts scrambled. Nobody wanted Smith starting for Wagner, but there were a few people that felt K.J. Wright would be better at MLB (How short their memory is) and that Smith is better than Irvin against the run (I agree with that for now).

I agree that It's definitely a short-sighted, "what have you done for me lately" mentality.

No, I think I got the facts straight. I distinctly remember people saying that Irvin/KJ/Smith (w/ KJ at MLB) was the best LB group. In that scenario, they are essentially saying Smith should start over Wagner (even though he's taking a different position) since Irvin and KJ are already starters. Of course, some of that was a concern about whether Wagner's ankle was completely healed. In any event, the point is that all that LB shuffling talk was a bunch of overreaction based on 1-2 games.

 

[plyka]

You guys are really swinging on Thurmond's sac against a team like Minn?

Could be the same folks that thought Malcolm Smith should start over Wagner based on how he played against the Cardinals and Titans. Now Wags is coming off one of his best games and that chatter ended quickly.

Or the same ones who immediately thought Antoine Winfield would be an upgrade over this very same Walter Thurmond III. They said we could never trust Thurmond to stay healthy and now they want to sign him to a multi-year deal.

"What have you done for me lately?", am I right? I'm looking forward to BB getting back healthy this year.

LOL, I wish I could do that. Generalize the people who disagree with you as 1 entity, then take the different things that different sections of this made-up-in-your-mind-entity has said, and say they are contradicting themselves, lol. Your stance is reasonable. :sarcasm_off:

 

[RufusPorter]

Pretty sure Browner will be starting as soon as he is healthy. You guys are really swinging on Thurmond's sac against a team like Minn? He just isn't as physical as Browner against in press coverage. He is better suited to be the nickel, frankly I think Maxwell fits the mold that PC likes at corner more than Thurmond. If Thurmond were better than Browner it wouldn't have take an injury to replace him in the line-up. Remember it's competition Wed. every week in practice. You get your shot every week of the season to break into the starting line-up.

I couldn't agree more!

I've never seen a cornerback like BB. He defines this whole "Legion of Boom" meme, and I don't care what you call it. I have never seen a cornerback like this ever.

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