They Finally Broke Tendency With DK and it Paid Dividends

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So the Hawks have been running DK on vertical routes on the left for 4 games.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesDKoh/status/1179088587112869890[/tweet]

So on DK's TD, he did a good job of selling he was running another fade route from tight alignment (Pittsburgh TD), and then broke it off to the post this time for the wide open TD.

Something I have been stating is they need to sprinkle in more route variation to make it easier for him to get open.

I am glad they finally broke tendency, as NFL teams usually only defend what you put on film. And imo it had been doing DK a disservice to a certain degree.


Overall though, it's going pretty much how I thought it would for him so far this year. He would not have a lot of catches, but a high YPC, and 8+ TDs.

The Seahawks should be running PA pass every time they get around the opponents 40 yd line. As DK will be his most effective in that spot. Lockett is pretty good too in these situations as well.
 

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almost like they've been setting it up for a big game or something
 
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Whatever route he is running, it was nice to see him get some separation.
 

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DK ran a quick hitch route on the right side, too. Was a 8 or 9 yard gain IIRC. He needs work on securing the ball, though. He nearly dropped it when he got hit.
 

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Fade":btmk581t said:
So the Hawks have been running DK on vertical routes on the left for 4 games.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesDKoh/status/1179088587112869890[/tweet]

So on DK's TD, he did a good job of selling he was running another fade route from tight alignment (Pittsburgh TD), and then broke it off to the post this time for the wide open TD.

Something I have been stating is they need to sprinkle in more route variation to make it easier for him to get open.

I am glad they finally broke tendency, as NFL teams usually only defend what you put on film. And imo it had been doing DK a disservice to a certain degree.


Overall though, it's going pretty much how I thought it would for him so far this year. He would not have a lot of catches, but a high YPC, and 8+ TDs.

The Seahawks should be running PA pass every time they get around the opponents 40 yd line. As DK will be his most effective in that spot. Lockett is pretty good too in these situations as well.

Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?
 

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toffee":bezaodfg said:
Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?
Split end is a line position, where the receiver lines up directly on the line of scrimmage.

Flanker is a backfield position, where he lines up a yard or more off the line of scrimmage.

The main difference is in how close they are to the defender, and how vulnerable to being chucked at the line and knocked off his route.

That's the main thing, anyway.
 
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toffee":39o12uzz said:
Fade":39o12uzz said:
So the Hawks have been running DK on vertical routes on the left for 4 games.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesDKoh/status/1179088587112869890[/tweet]

So on DK's TD, he did a good job of selling he was running another fade route from tight alignment (Pittsburgh TD), and then broke it off to the post this time for the wide open TD.

Something I have been stating is they need to sprinkle in more route variation to make it easier for him to get open.

I am glad they finally broke tendency, as NFL teams usually only defend what you put on film. And imo it had been doing DK a disservice to a certain degree.


Overall though, it's going pretty much how I thought it would for him so far this year. He would not have a lot of catches, but a high YPC, and 8+ TDs.

The Seahawks should be running PA pass every time they get around the opponents 40 yd line. As DK will be his most effective in that spot. Lockett is pretty good too in these situations as well.

Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?

The flanker lines up on the same side as the TE behind the line of scrimmage, but the split end and the flanker are still both considered wide outs as they are the furthest out.

They probably want DK on the line of scrimmage because he runs so many go routes.
 

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DomeHawk":ih1z8h9t said:
toffee":ih1z8h9t said:
Fade":ih1z8h9t said:
So the Hawks have been running DK on vertical routes on the left for 4 games.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesDKoh/status/1179088587112869890[/tweet]

So on DK's TD, he did a good job of selling he was running another fade route from tight alignment (Pittsburgh TD), and then broke it off to the post this time for the wide open TD.

Something I have been stating is they need to sprinkle in more route variation to make it easier for him to get open.

I am glad they finally broke tendency, as NFL teams usually only defend what you put on film. And imo it had been doing DK a disservice to a certain degree.


Overall though, it's going pretty much how I thought it would for him so far this year. He would not have a lot of catches, but a high YPC, and 8+ TDs.

The Seahawks should be running PA pass every time they get around the opponents 40 yd line. As DK will be his most effective in that spot. Lockett is pretty good too in these situations as well.

Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?

The flanker lines up on the same side as the TE behind the line of scrimmage, but the split end and the flanker are still both considered wide outs as they are the furthest out.

They probably want DK on the line of scrimmage because he runs so many go routes.

Back in the days, Jerry Rice was almost exclusively flanker, now DK is almost exclusively a split end. Different skill set or something else? I never play the game and lack knowledge,
 
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toffee":3ihhve2f said:
DomeHawk":3ihhve2f said:
toffee":3ihhve2f said:
Fade":3ihhve2f said:
So the Hawks have been running DK on vertical routes on the left for 4 games.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesDKoh/status/1179088587112869890[/tweet]

So on DK's TD, he did a good job of selling he was running another fade route from tight alignment (Pittsburgh TD), and then broke it off to the post this time for the wide open TD.

Something I have been stating is they need to sprinkle in more route variation to make it easier for him to get open.

I am glad they finally broke tendency, as NFL teams usually only defend what you put on film. And imo it had been doing DK a disservice to a certain degree.


Overall though, it's going pretty much how I thought it would for him so far this year. He would not have a lot of catches, but a high YPC, and 8+ TDs.

The Seahawks should be running PA pass every time they get around the opponents 40 yd line. As DK will be his most effective in that spot. Lockett is pretty good too in these situations as well.

Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?

The flanker lines up on the same side as the TE behind the line of scrimmage, but the split end and the flanker are still both considered wide outs as they are the furthest out.

They probably want DK on the line of scrimmage because he runs so many go routes.

Back in the days, Jerry Rice was almost exclusively flanker, now DK is almost exclusively a split end. Different skill set or something else? I never play the game and lack knowledge,

Jerry Rice was considered the "greatest route runner." No comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74k2o8eRAo
 

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Don't forget they ran DK on a crosser on the 2 pt play. DB made a good play to stop it unfortunately. I'd have to see it again to suggest whether he could've done a better job shielding but it seemed like such a bang bang play (Russ threw a freaking rope) he had no chance to do so.
Anyway, they are obviously starting to expand his route options.
 

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DomeHawk":1ibt3tk8 said:
toffee":1ibt3tk8 said:
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toffee":1ibt3tk8 said:
Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?

The flanker lines up on the same side as the TE behind the line of scrimmage, but the split end and the flanker are still both considered wide outs as they are the furthest out.

They probably want DK on the line of scrimmage because he runs so many go routes.

Back in the days, Jerry Rice was almost exclusively flanker, now DK is almost exclusively a split end. Different skill set or something else? I never play the game and lack knowledge,

Jerry Rice was considered the "greatest route runner." No comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74k2o8eRAo
back when WRs were WRs and did everything...
 

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Credit goes to the whole team ; but the offense did put in some new wrinkles . Not so predictable . IMO
 

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hawksfansinceday1":1tmmhl9n said:
Don't forget they ran DK on a crosser on the 2 pt play. DB made a good play to stop it unfortunately. I'd have to see it again to suggest whether he could've done a better job shielding but it seemed like such a bang bang play (Russ threw a freaking rope) he had no chance to do so.
Anyway, they are obviously starting to expand his route options.
I think that ball was catchable. DB did make a good play, but DK had both hands on the ball. Hopefully, he'll learn these little things that serious pros do every day. I don't fault DK too much, he is young, but it's something he'll have to get better at.
 

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sutz":13exj0uf said:
hawksfansinceday1":13exj0uf said:
Don't forget they ran DK on a crosser on the 2 pt play. DB made a good play to stop it unfortunately. I'd have to see it again to suggest whether he could've done a better job shielding but it seemed like such a bang bang play (Russ threw a freaking rope) he had no chance to do so.
Anyway, they are obviously starting to expand his route options.
I think that ball was catchable. DB did make a good play, but DK had both hands on the ball. Hopefully, he'll learn these little things that serious pros do every day. I don't fault DK too much, he is young, but it's something he'll have to get better at.


DB had his hand on the ball as well, very good coverage and reaction. Much harder catch than it first appeared.
 

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To break tendency you have to establish tendency. It's a patience game that Carroll plays, and we do it on offense, defense, and special teams.

People get frustrated when we run too much but when we show a tendency to run we get single-coverage on our WRs and we can take advantage of that at any time.

But you only get to really surprise them once, so you have to choose your moment carefully.
 

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DomeHawk":3rcwa7nk said:
toffee":3rcwa7nk said:
Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?

The flanker lines up on the same side as the TE behind the line of scrimmage, but the split end and the flanker are still both considered wide outs as they are the furthest out.
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Back in the days, Jerry Rice was almost exclusively flanker, now DK is almost exclusively a split end. Different skill set or something else? I never play the game and lack knowledge,

They probably want DK on the line of scrimmage because he runs so many go routes.
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Jerry Rice was considered the "greatest route runner." No comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74k2o8eRAo

I'm also thinking that because DK is so big and strong, he can often Rag-Doll toss aside most press corners who are anything short of Brandon Browner in their size and physicality, and then with his speed, get separation from a now-off-balance corner (Recall Browner throwing Kearse aside on "the pick" in SB49). Plus, with DK's catch radius, a little separation might be all he needs. Opinions on this idea, yea or nay?
 

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olyfan63":1mb5m57j said:
DomeHawk":1mb5m57j said:
toffee":1mb5m57j said:
Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?

The flanker lines up on the same side as the TE behind the line of scrimmage, but the split end and the flanker are still both considered wide outs as they are the furthest out.
...

Back in the days, Jerry Rice was almost exclusively flanker, now DK is almost exclusively a split end. Different skill set or something else? I never play the game and lack knowledge,

They probably want DK on the line of scrimmage because he runs so many go routes.
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Jerry Rice was considered the "greatest route runner." No comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74k2o8eRAo

I'm also thinking that because DK is so big and strong, he can often Rag-Doll toss aside most press corners who are anything short of Brandon Browner in their size and physicality, and then with his speed, get separation from a now-off-balance corner (Recall Browner throwing Kearse aside on "the pick" in SB49). Plus, with DK's catch radius, a little separation might be all he needs. Opinions on this idea, yea or nay?

Yay, I had the same thoughts pretty much. If DK can do the things you mentioned above, he can easily post good game stats weekly.
 

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toffee":1jwdkkk3 said:
DomeHawk":1jwdkkk3 said:
toffee":1jwdkkk3 said:
Fade":1jwdkkk3 said:
So the Hawks have been running DK on vertical routes on the left for 4 games.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesDKoh/status/1179088587112869890[/tweet]

So on DK's TD, he did a good job of selling he was running another fade route from tight alignment (Pittsburgh TD), and then broke it off to the post this time for the wide open TD.

Something I have been stating is they need to sprinkle in more route variation to make it easier for him to get open.

I am glad they finally broke tendency, as NFL teams usually only defend what you put on film. And imo it had been doing DK a disservice to a certain degree.


Overall though, it's going pretty much how I thought it would for him so far this year. He would not have a lot of catches, but a high YPC, and 8+ TDs.

The Seahawks should be running PA pass every time they get around the opponents 40 yd line. As DK will be his most effective in that spot. Lockett is pretty good too in these situations as well.

Seeking football education here: Any particular reason why DK is more a split end than a flanker?

The flanker lines up on the same side as the TE behind the line of scrimmage, but the split end and the flanker are still both considered wide outs as they are the furthest out.

They probably want DK on the line of scrimmage because he runs so many go routes.

Back in the days, Jerry Rice was almost exclusively flanker, now DK is almost exclusively a split end. Different skill set or something else? I never play the game and lack knowledge,

Different route trees typically and skills typically although some players have the ability and body type to do both well.
 

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DK needs to develop a chop step, when he does that will help him in cuts and play inside more, he is a long strider much like Moss was.
 

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toffee":31w1qw8f said:
Back in the days, Jerry Rice was almost exclusively flanker, now DK is almost exclusively a split end. Different skill set or something else? I never play the game and lack knowledge,
NFL offenses are required to put seven players on the line of scrimmage and the middle five are "covered" and ineligible. Just about everything with modern offenses are a result of that rule.

Back in the day, all seven "line" men would line up next to each other and the two outside would be the Ends who were basically still linemen but eligible to catch passes. Eventually offenses started splitting the ends away from the linemen and that's where the Tight End and Split End designations came from. The Tight End would still act as a lineman while the Split End was an early receiver that would try to catch a pass now and there. In order to follow the alignment rule above there must always be exactly two tight ends/splits ends on the field, one on each side of the formation.

As offenses continued to mature the passing game they started using additional receivers in the place of offensive backs. These additional receivers get to line up behind the line of scrimmage which is a major advantage. A quick receiver on the line of scrimmage could be completely shut down by a physical DB who is allowed to manhandle them right away for the first five yards downfield. However, give that same quick receiver a few steps of cushion and they can blow right past any press coverage attempt. The two main types of these receivers are slot receivers and flankers depending on where they line up.

In today's NFL, the Split End is a big physical receiver who is required to line up on the line of scrimmage and deal with the resulting press coverage. It's a partly sacrificial role and often underappreciated by the fans. If Jaron Brown is getting jammed so Tyler Lockett gets a free release from the slot or flanker position then that's a good trade-off for our club. Back in the day, Daryl Turner put in a lot of physical work at split end that let us play Steve at flanker. Part of what makes guys like DK so exciting on paper is their size + strength + speed lets us play them anywhere on the field.
 
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