The latest on Jadeveon Clowney and trade partners.

[Scorpion05]

I loved Frank Clark, but I think Clowney is a whole different level of talent when healthy. And with Pete's coaching.

Clark had his moments, but he disappeared at times as well. To me he wasn't worth the money. Clowney however, is, with the right incentive based contract

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

I loved Frank Clark, but I think Clowney is a whole different level of talent when healthy. And with Pete's coaching.

Clark had his moments, but he disappeared at times as well. To me he wasn't worth the money. Clowney however, is, with the right incentive based contract

Agreed.

When Clowney is “on” he can absolutely wreck game plans for opposing offenses.

He is a difference maker but not to take anything from Clark but Clowney looks very dominate at times, Clark not as much.

I’m a huge Clark fan and always loved Clark’s passion and pride when he was a Seahawk, can’t say I think Clowney plays with the same passion and pride.

Effort is everything in this league.

 

[McGruff]

I think it's impossible to compare the two since they play different positions in different defenses.

 

[AgentDib]

Half of the fun of being a sports fan is comparing players in dissimilar circumstances. Obviously we should take the conclusions with a grain of salt...

Frank Clark 6'3" 230lb, 63rd overall pick partly due to a domestic violence issue. However, was an excellent locker room presence and had no off-field problems in the NFL. He was brought along slowly in the first two seasons with a total of 5 games started. He started 12 games his third season and put together a "good" year as a pass rushing specialist with a 6 AV mainly from 9 sacks. Then he had a very good year in his fourth season with a 10 AV. Our run defense as a whole slipped a lot and fans such as myself felt he was still subpar in that area.
22 career AV (1 5 6 10)

Jadeveon Clowney 6'5" 255lb, 1st overall pick. Injury problems his first two years that led to the same initial AV as Clark but has been healthy recently with 44 starts over the last three seasons and three consecutive pro bowls. An elite run defender, Clowney led the NFL in run stuffs over those three seasons and had the third most tackles for loss. Lined up at 3-4 OLB most of the season in 2018 he rushed the passer well when called upon to do so.
40 career AV (1 5 13 10 11)

Personally, I think Clowney's versatility against both the run and the pass makes him a better fit for the Seattle defense than Clark was.

 

[getnasty]

Half of the fun of being a sports fan is comparing players in dissimilar circumstances. Obviously we should take the conclusions with a grain of salt...

Frank Clark 6'3" 230lb, 63rd overall pick partly due to a domestic violence issue. However, was an excellent locker room presence and had no off-field problems in the NFL. He was brought along slowly in the first two seasons with a total of 5 games started. He started 12 games his third season and put together a "good" year as a pass rushing specialist with a 6 AV mainly from 9 sacks. Then he had a very good year in his fourth season with a 10 AV. Our run defense as a whole slipped a lot and fans such as myself felt he was still subpar in that area.
22 career AV (1 5 6 10)

Jadeveon Clowney 6'5" 255lb, 1st overall pick. Injury problems his first two years that led to the same initial AV as Clark but has been healthy recently with 44 starts over the last three seasons and three consecutive pro bowls. An elite run defender, Clowney led the NFL in run stuffs over those three seasons and had the third most tackles for loss. Lined up at 3-4 OLB most of the season in 2018 he rushed the passer well when called upon to do so.
40 career AV (1 5 13 10 11)

Personally, I think Clowney's versatility against both the run and the pass makes him a better fit for the Seattle defense than Clark was.

Agreed, i also think his pass rush will benefit from being a 4-3 end.

 

[seabowl]

IMO Clowney has more talent then Frank but Frank's motor is non-stop whereas Clowney is more in spurts. I would be concerned taking on Clowney after this year once he is paid.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Like Scorpion said, when healthy, Clowney is flat out better. Clark is a very good player. Clowney is a flat out beast.

 

[Tical21]

You could argue Clowney is possibly the better player overall if you overlook the injuries, but you can't argue that Clowney is the better pass rusher of the two, and we really need pass rush. Clowney has never had a double-digit sack season, and has lower pressure percentages across the board.

 

[McGruff]

You could argue Clowney is possibly the better player overall if you overlook the injuries, but you can't argue that Clowney is the better pass rusher of the two, and we really need pass rush. Clowney has never had a double-digit sack season, and has lower pressure percentages across the board.

In addition, Clark's run defense is understated. Playing DE he has less impact opportunities against the run. But watching him, hes always been disruptive, strong and great in pursuit from the backside.

As far as "disappearing", virtually every pass rusher disappears. And a large part of that is because it's a hard job and then competition is fierce.

Even the best of the best average maybe 1 sack per game. It's a case where fan expectations far exceed what is realistic.

 

[McGruff]

Half of the fun of being a sports fan is comparing players in dissimilar circumstances. Obviously we should take the conclusions with a grain of salt...

Frank Clark 6'3" 230lb, 63rd overall pick partly due to a domestic violence issue. However, was an excellent locker room presence and had no off-field problems in the NFL. He was brought along slowly in the first two seasons with a total of 5 games started. He started 12 games his third season and put together a "good" year as a pass rushing specialist with a 6 AV mainly from 9 sacks. Then he had a very good year in his fourth season with a 10 AV. Our run defense as a whole slipped a lot and fans such as myself felt he was still subpar in that area.
22 career AV (1 5 6 10)

Jadeveon Clowney 6'5" 255lb, 1st overall pick. Injury problems his first two years that led to the same initial AV as Clark but has been healthy recently with 44 starts over the last three seasons and three consecutive pro bowls. An elite run defender, Clowney led the NFL in run stuffs over those three seasons and had the third most tackles for loss. Lined up at 3-4 OLB most of the season in 2018 he rushed the passer well when called upon to do so.
40 career AV (1 5 13 10 11)

Personally, I think Clowney's versatility against both the run and the pass makes him a better fit for the Seattle defense than Clark was.

When has Clark ever been 230?

 

[Sarlacc83]

Half of the fun of being a sports fan is comparing players in dissimilar circumstances. Obviously we should take the conclusions with a grain of salt...

Frank Clark 6'3" 230lb, 63rd overall pick partly due to a domestic violence issue. However, was an excellent locker room presence and had no off-field problems in the NFL. He was brought along slowly in the first two seasons with a total of 5 games started. He started 12 games his third season and put together a "good" year as a pass rushing specialist with a 6 AV mainly from 9 sacks. Then he had a very good year in his fourth season with a 10 AV. Our run defense as a whole slipped a lot and fans such as myself felt he was still subpar in that area.
22 career AV (1 5 6 10)

Jadeveon Clowney 6'5" 255lb, 1st overall pick. Injury problems his first two years that led to the same initial AV as Clark but has been healthy recently with 44 starts over the last three seasons and three consecutive pro bowls. An elite run defender, Clowney led the NFL in run stuffs over those three seasons and had the third most tackles for loss. Lined up at 3-4 OLB most of the season in 2018 he rushed the passer well when called upon to do so.
40 career AV (1 5 13 10 11)

Personally, I think Clowney's versatility against both the run and the pass makes him a better fit for the Seattle defense than Clark was.

When has Clark ever been 230?

Did you mean: Jacob Martin?

 

[jammerhawk]

Interesting that Clowney wants to play for the Hawks. That speaks well for player impression of the team.

Maybe next year when he is a FA, if he isn’t franchise tagged again. He could still hold out not signing the tag and Houston might just dust their hands of his distraction, for a more reasonable price.

Lots more to hear on this situation.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yes, he is a better player when healthy. And the Texans haven't always just lined him up as an End, especially his first couple seasons. But yeah, I'm sure we'll argue about that too :irishdrinkers:

 

[Popeyejones]

As a 9ers fan, I strongly endorse the Seahawks giving up a 1st or 2nd round pick for Clowney (preferably a first) and paying him 18-20 million per year.

I would be very happy to celebrate that with folks here who think that's what they want. :irishdrinkers:





Edit: Rather than JUST being a smartass, I guess I should also include why I'm saying this.

Ya know how a fair number of Seahawks fans believe that Andrew Luck spent most of his career just living off of his pre-draft hype train?

If you believe that to be true, Jadeveon Clowney is more Andrew Luck than even Andrew Luck was.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

If you believe that to be true, Jadeveon Clowney is more Andrew Luck than even Andrew Luck was.

Is this sort of unrealistic expectation on the player, or on the fans and media?

You get picked #1 overall, you better have a Hall of Fame career, or everyone's pissed at you and people say you're a bust and constantly underachieving.

Fact: When both Luck and Clowney have/had been healthy, they're a top 10 player at their position. Clowney's one of the most disruptive complete DE's in the league, I'd love to have him. It's the cost that I'm hesitant, obviously Houston wants the moon for him, or else he would have been traded by now.

 

[McGruff]

If you believe that to be true, Jadeveon Clowney is more Andrew Luck than even Andrew Luck was.

Is this sort of unrealistic expectation on the player, or on the fans and media?

You get picked #1 overall, you better have a Hall of Fame career, or everyone's pissed at you and people say you're a bust and constantly underachieving.

Fact: When both Luck and Clowney have/had been healthy, they're a top 10 player at their position. Clowney's one of the most disruptive complete DE's in the league, I'd love to have him. It's the cost that I'm hesitant, obviously Houston wants the moon for him, or else he would have been traded by now.

Technically Clowney is an OLB.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

If you believe that to be true, Jadeveon Clowney is more Andrew Luck than even Andrew Luck was.

Is this sort of unrealistic expectation on the player, or on the fans and media?

You get picked #1 overall, you better have a Hall of Fame career, or everyone's pissed at you and people say you're a bust and constantly underachieving.

Fact: When both Luck and Clowney have/had been healthy, they're a top 10 player at their position. Clowney's one of the most disruptive complete DE's in the league, I'd love to have him. It's the cost that I'm hesitant, obviously Houston wants the moon for him, or else he would have been traded by now.

Technically Clowney is an OLB.

In a 3-4 Defense he is, everywhere else he's listed as a DE, including the position he got tagged at. 17.1M, not 15.3M LB. But thanks for that non-sequitur.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... owJa00.htm


......and with this link I just learned that Clowney's nickname is "Doo Doo." Lol.

 

[scutterhawk]

All I know is it's about winning, and with Clowney on one side and Ziggy on the other? That's pretty exciting to think about.

And Ford up the middle?, HELL YEA!!! :2thumbs:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. It's crazy he went undrafted, looks like he is going to be a flat out beast. Yet another solid UDFA by this front office. Kaylon Nakia is a baller.
And then getting a hungry Reed back in week 7. This D line should be much improved against the run.

 

[McGruff]

If you believe that to be true, Jadeveon Clowney is more Andrew Luck than even Andrew Luck was.

Is this sort of unrealistic expectation on the player, or on the fans and media?

You get picked #1 overall, you better have a Hall of Fame career, or everyone's pissed at you and people say you're a bust and constantly underachieving.

Fact: When both Luck and Clowney have/had been healthy, they're a top 10 player at their position. Clowney's one of the most disruptive complete DE's in the league, I'd love to have him. It's the cost that I'm hesitant, obviously Houston wants the moon for him, or else he would have been traded by now.

Technically Clowney is an OLB.

In a 3-4 Defense he is, everywhere else he's listed as a DE, including the position he got tagged at. 17.1M, not 15.3M LB. But thanks for that non-sequitur.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... owJa00.htm


......and with this link I just learned that Clowney's nickname is "Doo Doo." Lol.

Clowney was tagged as an OLB. That's part of the reason for his disgruntlement, as well as why 43 teams appeal to him.