The last 30-35 yards

[netskier]

And wasnt Jimmy the third-most targeted receiver on the team last year?.

Since we are talking about the red zone...


Graham's targets 2016 (by a significant margin his worst, non-injury, year)
- Inside the twenty - 20
- Inside the ten - 3
- Inside the five - 2

Baldwin's
- Inside the twenty - 16
- Inside the ten - 7
- Inside the five - 3

Richardson's
- Inside the twenty - 4
- Inside the ten - 3
- Inside the five - 2

Seriously, one of the best, all-time red zone threats, and you can't target him more from inside the 10 than Paul freakin Richardson? You don't take a 10 million per year cap hit on a guy just to have him as a decoy in the red zone.

And yes, I'm certain Wilson's height makes this more difficult for him than for a taller QB of equal skill. It's going to be harder to see Graham over the middle than to see the back corner routes and throw there. Not impossible, just harder. Simple geometry.

This makes sense, so why don't they route Graham into back corner routes, and target him there? This makes so much sense, so why don't they route Tanner McEvoy into the other back corner on the same play?

I have always thought that routing Graham across the middle tempts fate by exposing him to malicious hits designed to damage his knees.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The play calling in the red zone has been pathetic for a long time. That points to one person.

 

[Anthony!]

The play calling in the red zone has been pathetic for a long time. That points to one person.

And as it relates to RZ play calling and design is issue #2, right behind the oline. Neither of which is on Rw or prove height is an issue and once again facts have been provided showing height is not an issue, but indeed oline and play calling and desi8gn is. Hopefully both will get better this year.

 

[DJrmb]

I want to see a jump ball to Jimmy Graham at least once Every Time we are in the redzone. I don't understand why they don't run that more often. Dude is 6'7" and usually being covered by someone half a foot smaller than him!

 

[Hawks46]

And wasnt Jimmy the third-most targeted receiver on the team last year?.

Since we are talking about the red zone...


Graham's targets 2016 (by a significant margin his worst, non-injury, year)
- Inside the twenty - 20
- Inside the ten - 3
- Inside the five - 2

Baldwin's
- Inside the twenty - 16
- Inside the ten - 7
- Inside the five - 3

Richardson's
- Inside the twenty - 4
- Inside the ten - 3
- Inside the five - 2

Seriously, one of the best, all-time red zone threats, and you can't target him more from inside the 10 than Paul freakin Richardson? You don't take a 10 million per year cap hit on a guy just to have him as a decoy in the red zone.

And yes, I'm certain Wilson's height makes this more difficult for him than for a taller QB of equal skill. It's going to be harder to see Graham over the middle than to see the back corner routes and throw there. Not impossible, just harder. Simple geometry.

This makes sense, so why don't they route Graham into back corner routes, and target him there? This makes so much sense, so why don't they route Tanner McEvoy into the other back corner on the same play?

I have always thought that routing Graham across the middle tempts fate by exposing him to malicious hits designed to damage his knees.

You want to be sick ? Look at Kearse's targets in the red zone compared to Graham's, then look at what he did with those targets.

As for Graham and McEvoy being in the red zone at the same time.....hell yes. I've been banging that drum all last year. It's almost like the coaches look at it and go "6'7" Graham on one side and 6'6" McEvoy on the other....that's just not fair, let's not do it".

You would be virtually guaranteed at least one man to man matchup on the outside. You can't split both safeties out that wide because if you did, you would just have Baldwin and the RB go through the middle and it would be a cake walk.

 

[Sports Hernia]

You, ACF, and Sioux should never be in the same place at the same time with idols and a lamb. That'd be far too much crazy in one place for the universe not to explode.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You make a good point.
A real fan doesn't idolize.
RW has been great no doubt.
He also needs to improve if he hopes to regain his former position as a top 5 QB in the league.

Funny how that statement is so controversial to some in here.

Are you saying you don't idolize Tawwwmmy "Shady" Brady??????
Serious question.

 

[adeltaY]

In that Kessler pic, it looks like Kessler is wearing tennis shoes and Russ is wearing those weird sock shoe things. Might explain why he looks so much taller.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Throw it up high to Graham, I doubt any corner in the league would steal it from him.

 

[netskier]

And wasnt Jimmy the third-most targeted receiver on the team last year?.

Since we are talking about the red zone...


Graham's targets 2016 (by a significant margin his worst, non-injury, year)
- Inside the twenty - 20
- Inside the ten - 3
- Inside the five - 2

Baldwin's
- Inside the twenty - 16
- Inside the ten - 7
- Inside the five - 3

Richardson's
- Inside the twenty - 4
- Inside the ten - 3
- Inside the five - 2

Seriously, one of the best, all-time red zone threats, and you can't target him more from inside the 10 than Paul freakin Richardson? You don't take a 10 million per year cap hit on a guy just to have him as a decoy in the red zone.

And yes, I'm certain Wilson's height makes this more difficult for him than for a taller QB of equal skill. It's going to be harder to see Graham over the middle than to see the back corner routes and throw there. Not impossible, just harder. Simple geometry.

Stimulating post.

Now that I think about it, I think I recall reading that that there was some concern that Matt Ungar would occlude some of the six foot Brees' sight lines thus impairing his passing. And, someone wrote that this was the reason the the Saints preferred shorter guards to that Brees could see over them better. From the sight lines perspective, it makes sense that, other things being equal, one should distribute one's offensive linemen by height, like a hammock, with the tallest guys on the ends, and the shortest at center.

Centers: Britt is six six, Hunt six two, Pericak six three. Britt is an outlier here, but you take talent where you find it, and other things are not equal with Britt in particular, with him being an ex-wrestler his mind knows a lot about taking guys to the ground, and he is good at it. Guys on the ground do not block sighting lines.

Guards: Glowinski six four, Jordan Roos six three. Our pure guards are shorter.

Guards/Tackles: Aboushi six five, Ifedi six five, Joeckel six six, Odhiambo six four, Pocic six six. Our hybrid guards/tackles run from six four to six six. Odhiambo is a little short for tackle, but has good feet, etc.

Tackles: Brown six five, Fant six five, Senior six five, Tyrus Thompson six five, Matt Tobin six six. Our pure tackles run from six five to six six.

So the "Hammock Effect" is not large, but the pattern is there on average.

And, all quarterbacks benefit from the hammock effect. which, due to geometry, increases with quarterback shortness.

 

[erik2690]

Actually they are not. Drew is quite a bit taller. Forget the inflated height stat for RW. He's about 5-9 tops.

I feel like you've said this before and I ask again how do Combine measurements get faked? It seems very odd. Teams want very specific measurements there. Like they do /8 of inch measurements and stuff. You standing next to him is extremely anecdotal until you can reasonably explain how Combine stats would get manipulated to that degree.

 

[erik2690]

You hit on it - RW needs a legit run threat from the backfield. Without that, his weaknesses are exposed.

Exactly right. This board remembers the elite Dujauan Harris carrying Wilson to one of the best statistical QB stretches in NFL history. Dajuan: Our Lord and Savior.

 

[bigskydoc]

You want to be sick ? Look at Kearse's targets in the red zone compared to Graham's, then look at what he did with those targets.

Inside the 20, 15 targets
Inside the 10, 10 targets
Inside the 5, 5 targets

He went 0 for 13 on red zone targets before making his only red zone reception against the Cards.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... plays/2016

 

[Anthony!]

Actually they are not. Drew is quite a bit taller. Forget the inflated height stat for RW. He's about 5-9 tops.

I feel like you've said this before and I ask again how do Combine measurements get faked? It seems very odd. Teams want very specific measurements there. Like they do /8 of inch measurements and stuff. You standing next to him is extremely anecdotal until you can reasonably explain how Combine stats would get manipulated to that degree.

They dont but it fits is agenda so they have to be wrong

 

[Anthony!]

You hit on it - RW needs a legit run threat from the backfield. Without that, his weaknesses are exposed.

Exactly right. This board remembers the elite Dujauan Harris carrying Wilson to one of the best statistical QB stretches in NFL history. Dajuan: Our Lord and Savior.

LOL

the FACT is every QB has and needs help, wether it is a run game, a great oline, great WR, great scheme and play calling. So this point he tried to make is not even real, but what fits his agenda

 

[Seymour]

I want to see a jump ball to Jimmy Graham at least once Every Time we are in the redzone. I don't understand why they don't run that more often. Dude is 6'7" and usually being covered by someone half a foot smaller than him!

In Bevells world, that would be too obvious. Need to throw the corner route to Kearse, they never will see that coming. Never mind the fact nobody could cover Jimmy in that situation.

 

[hawk45]

The Kearse red zone targets are an abomination. That is one thing that will make me grit my teeth about Russ unless bevell is making him throw those. Audible out and just kneel down ffs

 

[DJrmb]

I want to see a jump ball to Jimmy Graham at least once Every Time we are in the redzone. I don't understand why they don't run that more often. Dude is 6'7" and usually being covered by someone half a foot smaller than him!

In Bevells world, that would be too obvious. Need to throw the corner route to Kearse, they never will see that coming. Never mind the fact nobody could cover Jimmy in that situation.

Russell also needs to trust Graham a little bit more on contested catches. The guy is just never really covered...

 

[Seymour]

Good idea....
Darrell, you watching?????
No such thing as covered!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Same zip code, he will catch it.

 

[mikeak]

yeah except as I stated with facts there are 6-2 Qbs and bigger having issues in the RZ(oh and top notch QBs too) funny part is they too have less than good olines HMM as I also pointed out

Without saying that one of you is right or wrong, but that some taller QBs have redzone problem doesn't prove anything about why RW have an issue in the redzone.

They have different skillset, different coordinators, different receivers and well everything is different.

NO, but since someone was making the point about how his height may or may not be an issue the fact taller QBs also have issues does make the point that it is not a Height issue. Also the fact the all the Qbs who are good in the RZ have good oline makes the point the oline is the bigger issue. We have been top 5 in RZ penalties every year since 2012. That si the point.

and that is incorrect. It just proves that being tall doesn't automatically make you good in the redzone - that is it. RW could still have an issue in the redzone solely from being short (I am not saying this is the case). The fact that SOME tall QBs struggle in the redzone doesn't mean that being short is not a disadvantage

I certainly think it is a negative to be short in the redzone. I think other skills can make up for a lot of it but that doesn't mean it isn't a negative that has to be overcome and gives less margin for errors