The Coleman situation

[Evil_Shenanigans]

I like the idea of turbin at fullback
he seems very explosive

And his upper body strength would seemingly pay big dividends in the blocking department. Sure Turbin wouldn't be thrilled with this but if it gets him a ring I am sure he would gladly make the switch!

 

[McGruff]

I like the idea of turbin at fullback
he seems very explosive

And his upper body strength would seemingly pay big dividends in the blocking department. Sure Turbin wouldn't be thrilled with this but if it gets him a ring I am sure he would gladly make the switch!

Blocking is about 80% lower body leverage! and Turbin's lower body strength rivals Sydney Rice's.

 

[Happypuppy]

Ware has not played in a long time and there I was not all that I impressed with him. He was ok. My concern is lynch more that vs other seasons is taking a beating
Turbin needs to shoulder more of the load or work Michaels in more. MRob it is difficult to say...is he even in football shape? JJ out again is if correct is a bigger concern. We don't really have another backup for him with Guy gone.

I wonder if the have thought about moving BB to SS , he has the size and it's not really a speed position? Just an emergency thing as we have to have a spot for Harvin too

 

[Seeker]

 

[VegasSeahawkFan]

We use I formation much less than in past seasons. In fact in over 70 plays last night we used a fullback I would say between 5-10 plays. I don't know if it is worth replacing Coleman with another full back unless he is out for a real significant amount of time. Plus with Harvin coming back in a week or two I would expect to see us use a full back even less.

For the time being I would just use one of our tight ends as an H back like last night when Coleman went out (we used Willson and Miller). Kellen Davis is big enough to be a lead blocker 5 plays a game.

 

[CANHawk]

The seahawks owe the fans... They should bring back MRob even if its not the right choice.. He deserves to go out playing with the team he grew up with. Cmon Pete, you gata give something back to the 12th!!!

LOL, this might be one of the dumbest things I've read on this board since someone described their dream of having a shirtless Tim Tebow lead us to the Super Bowl...

I agree with whoever said we need to get past Mike Rob. He was a fan fave, he was great, but now he's gone. Deal with it. Some people are pining for this dude like he was an ex lover. Jeebus H. Crap, we sound ridiculous. I think if it weren't for RRR, most lay people wouldn't have even really noticed him. Naw, Spencer Ware has had plenty of time to heal up from that ankle and our next game is in 11 days. I don't think it was the dreaded *high* ankle sprain, so he should be ready to go if Coleman isn't.

 

[hawkfan68]

Owen Schmitt is available (I believe) if they decide to look to add an FA. He might be a good fit. He's certainly big enough at 250 pounds.

 

[C-Dub]

I like the idea of turbin at fullback
he seems very explosive

And his upper body strength would seemingly pay big dividends in the blocking department. Sure Turbin wouldn't be thrilled with this but if it gets him a ring I am sure he would gladly make the switch!

Blocking is about 80% lower body leverage! and Turbin's lower body strength rivals Sydney Rice's.

This reply was hilarious.

The SeaHulk is all about upper body. He gets ankle tackled waaaaayyyyy too much.

 

[CANHawk]

Owen Schmitt is available (I believe) if they decide to look to add an FA. He might be a good fit. He's certainly big enough at 250 pounds.

I really liked Schmitt when he was here, but I don't think he fits what Bevell and Cable want to do with their fullbacks. Schmitt was pretty one dimensional IIRC. Bevell/Cable want somebody a little more dynamic. More of an H-Back type. Somebody who can block, but can also run routes etc. That's what made guys like Leonard Weaver or MRob dangerous, you had to account for him in several different ways.

Schmitt's like an old school goon in hockey; when they're on the ice you know exactly what they're there for. When Schmitt's on the field, defenses know he's going to be used as a battering ram and can plan accordingly. He almost takes a guy out of the play on offense just by nature of being himself...

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

I agree with whoever said we need to get past Mike Rob. He was a fan fave, he was great, but now he's gone. Deal with it. Some people are pining for this dude like he was an ex lover. Jeebus H. Crap, we sound ridiculous.

I can see that at times. But in this case, if we're talking about having a temporary replacement for Coleman -- I'd rather have Robinson back than to go with Willson lining up at H Back like we saw after Coleman left.

I don't think Coleman was as effective as 2012 Robinson. I understood and agreed with the cut both on health and cap reasons. The situation has changed and if Robinson can play, he'll play for a new contract and not necessarily be suppressing emerging available talent.

We have an opening and for a guy off the street, I don't think we could hope to find a more adequate or instantly playable option.

 

[kigenzun]

...with Harvin coming back in a week or two I would expect to see us use a full back even less. For the time being I would just use one of our tight ends as an H back like last night when Coleman went out. Kellen Davis is big enough to be a lead blocker 5 plays a game.

JJ out again is if correct is a bigger concern. We don't really have another backup for him with Guy gone. I wonder if the have thought about moving BB to SS , he has the size and it's not really a speed position? Just an emergency thing as we have to have a spot for Harvin too

I think you are right kearly, Coleman will be cut not IR'd his week. Low demand for FB + hammy injury = availability for later. Percy Harvin will need to be added to the 53, and due to the situation it comes at Coleman's expense. Personally, I envision less I formation wear and tear on Marshawn, and more split back: read option to either side, and screens to either side with Russell, Marshawn, and Percy in the backfield.

As far as "fullback/injury" solutions, IMO Both of these above are excellent ideas. My input is below.

Kellen Davis ended up in the TE/Hback role I envisioned earlier for 'The Sweeze'(yes I think this way completely sober...LOL) and did an excellent job under the circumstances: lead blocking, smart ST hands team play, and even a wide open TD catch. And believe you me, KD was all I ever wanted for Christmas at 3rd TE (even Slamdunking the Goalpost!) I must say.

Brandon Browner played excellent last night at right CB, but in the future we could also expand his role to be matched up 1 on 1 with TE's such as Graham or Gonzalez with Maxwell or Lane filling his right side CB role in a hybrid nickel. I believe that would help shut down the pass catching TE's we will play in the coming games vs. NFC South opponents
(aka Belicheck and Aqib Talib at NE vs. Graham and the Saints & vs. Gonzalez the Falcons).

 

[CANHawk]

I agree with whoever said we need to get past Mike Rob. He was a fan fave, he was great, but now he's gone. Deal with it. Some people are pining for this dude like he was an ex lover. Jeebus H. Crap, we sound ridiculous.

I can see that at times. But in this case, if we're talking about having a temporary replacement for Coleman -- I'd rather have Robinson back than to go with Willson lining up at H Back like we saw after Coleman left.

I don't think Coleman was as effective as 2012 Robinson. I understood and agreed with the cut both on health and cap reasons. The situation has changed and if Robinson can play, he'll play for a new contract and not necessarily be suppressing emerging available talent.

We have an opening and for a guy off the street, I don't think we could hope to find a more adequate or instantly playable option.

I'm pretty sure it was Miller who came in at FB, but that's not terribly important. What is important is that the run game didn't suffer terribly when we lost our only true fullback. And I don't think we do have an opening for a guy off the street. Not if Ware is ready to go. Ware already beat Robinson for a roster spot and we don't have the same emphasis on I formation we've had in years past. I think we could get by without having 2 FB's on the roster. Heck, we haven't even dressed 2 fullbacks since the Jax game (and that probably had more to do with ST than offensive needs). Miller has done well playing FB in a pinch and Davis has the right skillset for it as well. I don't think we need to be doing anything too desperate because we're down a FB.

Really, I have more than enough faith in this FO's judgement to believe that there is a very good reason why Mike Rob is no longer with this team. A 6-1 record buys those boys a helluva lot of credibility...

 

[Hawks46]

It would be a good move if Mike Rob is healthy, but looking at him on TV, he doesn't look healthy. He looks like he lost at least 20 lbs and didn't get it back.

If we cut Coleman, can he still come to the VMAC and get treatment, or does he just chill and stay off of it? I'd be down with cutting him...I don't think anyone else will pick him up, as long as he can get taken care of.

I also agree he looked the best I've seen him in the regular season. He's really athletic and gets good yardage on swing passes out of the backfield.

Willson got some looks at FB and looked pretty good at it as well. He's really coming along, kudos to the FO on another solid pick.

 

[kearly]

Davis was our FB after Coleman left last night. Maybe Miller got some snaps in there too but every time I saw the FB jersey number, I saw #87.

If Robinson is sick, does he have cancer or something? The flu doesn't last two months. Robinson was on NFL network around week 1 or week 2 of the NFL season and didn't look the slightest bit sick. I think the reason he hasn't been signed is for several other reasons:

-He's 30.

-He's a fullback. A lot of teams don't even carry FBs, and those that do are typically happy with their FB situation. You don't stash FBs on your roster, even Ware isn't really being stashed as a 2nd FB. It's also somewhat uncommon for a player to be signed after the 53 man cutdown just for his special teams.

-Additionally, I think there is a perception among some that Mike Rob isn't even a real fullback, that he's a very unique player whom only Seattle could make work in that role, the same way that Brandon Browner might not appeal to every secondary.

-Whenever a team cuts a player, especially when they do not even attempt a restructure and replace him with a crappy looking UDFA rookie, it's only natural for other GMs to assume Seattle knows something they don't. Most GMs make moves like a school of fish: fearful of the unknown and afraid to stray from the norm. Instincts and groupthink dominate their roster decisions.

-He was previously the highest paid FB in the league. There might be money demands we don't know about. Maybe Robinson has decided to focus on landing a media job?

As far as people "getting over" Mike Rob, I think that's a silly statement. The departure of Robinson has done real harm to our offense, he's still available and we need a fullback with Coleman hurt. Get over what exactly? Inquiring about Mike Rob as been the right move for some time, but now it's just flat out common sense.

 

[Tech Worlds]

The seahawks owe the fans... They should bring back MRob even if its not the right choice.. He deserves to go out playing with the team he grew up with. Cmon Pete, you gata give something back to the 12th!!!

LOL, this might be one of the dumbest things I've read on this board since someone described their dream of having a shirtless Tim Tebow lead us to the Super Bowl...

I agree with whoever said we need to get past Mike Rob. He was a fan fave, he was great, but now he's gone. Deal with it. Some people are pining for this dude like he was an ex lover. Jeebus H. Crap, we sound ridiculous. I think if it weren't for RRR, most lay people wouldn't have even really noticed him. Naw, Spencer Ware has had plenty of time to heal up from that ankle and our next game is in 11 days. I don't think it was the dreaded *high* ankle sprain, so he should be ready to go if Coleman isn't.

It's called the Mariner mentality.

 

[Basis4day]

Davis was our FB after Coleman left last night. Maybe Miller got some snaps in there too but every time I saw the FB jersey number, I saw #87.

If Robinson is sick, does he have cancer or something? The flu doesn't last two months. Robinson was on NFL network around week 1 or week 2 of the NFL season and didn't look the slightest bit sick. I think the reason he hasn't been signed is for several other reasons:

-He's 30.

-He's a fullback. A lot of teams don't even carry FBs, and those that do are typically happy with their FB situation. You don't stash FBs on your roster, even Ware isn't really being stashed as a 2nd FB. It's also somewhat uncommon for a player to be signed after the 53 man cutdown just for his special teams.

-Additionally, I think there is a perception among some that Mike Rob isn't even a real fullback, that he's a very unique player whom only Seattle could make work in that role, the same way that Brandon Browner might not appeal to every secondary.

-Whenever a team cuts a player, especially when they do not even attempt a restructure and replace him with a crappy looking UDFA rookie, it's only natural for other GMs to assume Seattle knows something they don't. Most GMs make moves like a school of fish: fearful of the unknown and afraid to stray from the norm. Instincts and groupthink dominate their roster decisions.

-He was previously the highest paid FB in the league. There might be money demands we don't know about. Maybe Robinson has decided to focus on landing a media job?

As far as people "getting over" Mike Rob, I think that's a silly statement. The departure of Robinson has done real harm to our offense, he's still available and we need a fullback with Coleman hurt. Get over what exactly? Inquiring about Mike Rob as been the right move for some time, but now it's just flat out common sense.

It isn't common sense if a player isn't in football shape, especially the demands of a traditional FB. Simply assuming he is healthy enough to play the position from a fan standpoint isn't going to cut it. Im the kind of fan that is resigned to giving the FO the benefit of the doubt in their decisions, even if cutting MRob was all strictly salary based. Personally i've evolved as a fan to be a bit obsessed with salary cap implications (Helped to accept his release in the first place).

I am in the "get over it crowd". Until Coleman's injury, which we're still waiting to hear the extent of, the reasons for bringing back MRob have been discussed to death. While ignoring such comments are always an option, it's also enjoyable to engage in the discussion and propose alternatives to bringing him back as there is clearly a reason they haven't done so.

Their decision going forward is going to obviously weigh heavenly on the extent of Coleman's injury and the status of Ware. If they do end up bringing him back it is just fine with me. I might even be a little excited. Like i said, i trust the FO in their decisions.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Just play Red Bryant at the fullback position.

Problem solved.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Bring back Justin Griffith.

 

[Basis4day]

The seahawks owe the fans... They should bring back MRob even if its not the right choice.. He deserves to go out playing with the team he grew up with. Cmon Pete, you gata give something back to the 12th!!!

LOL, this might be one of the dumbest things I've read on this board since someone described their dream of having a shirtless Tim Tebow lead us to the Super Bowl...

I agree with whoever said we need to get past Mike Rob. He was a fan fave, he was great, but now he's gone. Deal with it. Some people are pining for this dude like he was an ex lover. Jeebus H. Crap, we sound ridiculous. I think if it weren't for RRR, most lay people wouldn't have even really noticed him. Naw, Spencer Ware has had plenty of time to heal up from that ankle and our next game is in 11 days. I don't think it was the dreaded *high* ankle sprain, so he should be ready to go if Coleman isn't.

It's called the Mariner mentality.

BRING BACK MACK STRONG!!!

 

[CANHawk]

The seahawks owe the fans... They should bring back MRob even if its not the right choice.. He deserves to go out playing with the team he grew up with. Cmon Pete, you gata give something back to the 12th!!!

LOL, this might be one of the dumbest things I've read on this board since someone described their dream of having a shirtless Tim Tebow lead us to the Super Bowl...

I agree with whoever said we need to get past Mike Rob. He was a fan fave, he was great, but now he's gone. Deal with it. Some people are pining for this dude like he was an ex lover. Jeebus H. Crap, we sound ridiculous. I think if it weren't for RRR, most lay people wouldn't have even really noticed him. Naw, Spencer Ware has had plenty of time to heal up from that ankle and our next game is in 11 days. I don't think it was the dreaded *high* ankle sprain, so he should be ready to go if Coleman isn't.

It's called the Mariner mentality.

what... lose 900 games a year but get happy joy-joy feelings about your players because they've all been given clever nicknames?