That's what happens when you don't run the ball

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Arguing the offensive call strategy when the Hawks defense is, was, and continues to be, schooled up and down the field at historic proportions is just blind blah blah. Stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU all you want. It won't change reality.
 

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We were already down 17-0 before we even had a chance to catch our breath. Not gonna establish a running game when the defense is atrocious and you're down to your 4th and 5th string backs. And trying to run the ball is what ultimately cost us the Arizona game at the end of regulation.
 

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Hard to establish the run when the defense is on pace to give up 56 points at the end of the first quarter.
 

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John63":nl8iepc9 said:
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OP, I agree. Let's not forget the Bills WANTED us to pass. That plays into their strength. They are weaker against the run and why didn't we run the ball - because the Oline can't create "push". Like it or not we were one dimensional and for that reason alone moving forward it will be nearly impossible to win a championship. We need Carson and one other back (Hyde or Penny) to get healthy in the next few weeks.


Problem is the olien cant pass protect either, adn for whatever reason we dont give check downs, screens, or blitz beating routes.


If you pass on every down, and especially when you don't screen or check down, the define can pin their ears back and run reckless after our QB. When the threat of running was there this line pass protected pretty well. I'm not saying they're perfect, but a hell of a lot better pass protection this year compared to the past few season.
 

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AubHawk71":3n6ou2i5 said:
Arguing the offensive call strategy when the Hawks defense is, was, and continues to be, schooled up and down the field at historic proportions is just blind blah blah. Stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU all you want. It won't change reality.


Four turnovers > bad defense

A bad defense can be overcome as we saw in earlier games. Four turnovers cannot.
 
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nwHawk":2at0i9iq said:
OP, I agree. Let's not forget the Bills WANTED us to pass. That plays into their strength. They are weaker against the run and why didn't we run the ball - because the Oline can't create "push". Like it or not we were one dimensional and for that reason alone moving forward it will be nearly impossible to win a championship. We need Carson and one other back (Hyde or Penny) to get healthy in the next few weeks.


Carson is out fair point but Ill tell ya one thing that nobody can argue...WILSON CAN NOT CONTINUE TO TAKE PUNISHMENT LIKE THAT... because he is human... I know that you guys think RUSS is sub human but we dont want him hurt... we dont want Russ Cooked...

Guaranteed when we play the Rams they are going to see very similar blitz packages... all Im saying is that they can not abandon the run game... there needs to be a balanced attack to keep these Defenses honest...


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hoxrox":2kerk0c0 said:
AubHawk71":2kerk0c0 said:
Arguing the offensive call strategy when the Hawks defense is, was, and continues to be, schooled up and down the field at historic proportions is just blind blah blah. Stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU all you want. It won't change reality.


Four turnovers > bad defense

A bad defense can be overcome as we saw in earlier games. Four turnovers cannot.

Yeah, but the bad defence started way before the turnovers.
 

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While I agree a balanced attack would be nice, the reality is that this team needs to outscore other teams to win or are playing from behind because of one of the most atrocious defenses in football history, so the run game is going to take a backseat no matter what.
 
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TypeSly":1lbjibq5 said:
hoxrox":1lbjibq5 said:
AubHawk71":1lbjibq5 said:
Arguing the offensive call strategy when the Hawks defense is, was, and continues to be, schooled up and down the field at historic proportions is just blind blah blah. Stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU all you want. It won't change reality.


Four turnovers > bad defense

A bad defense can be overcome as we saw in earlier games. Four turnovers cannot.

Yeah, but the bad defence started way before the turnovers.


Do you know that they were picking on Dunbar/// Dunbar has a bad knee he should not have played today... thats one reason they got torched...

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AubHawk71":2qkroyqt said:
Arguing the offensive call strategy when the Hawks defense is, was, and continues to be, schooled up and down the field at historic proportions is just blind blah blah. Stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU all you want. It won't change reality.


Four turnovers > bad defense

A bad defense can be overcome as we saw in earlier games. Four turnovers cannot.

Yeah, but the bad defence started way before the turnovers.


Do you know that they were picking on Dunbar/// Dunbar has a bad knee he should not have played today... thats one reason they got torched...

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Yes, I'm pretty sure we all did. And if anyone missed it, the commentators were all over it. That is a coaching issue... but what does that have to do with us running it more during this game?
 
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TypeSly":1lovpts8 said:
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Four turnovers > bad defense

A bad defense can be overcome as we saw in earlier games. Four turnovers cannot.

Yeah, but the bad defence started way before the turnovers.


Do you know that they were picking on Dunbar/// Dunbar has a bad knee he should not have played today... that's one reason they got torched...

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Yes, I'm pretty sure we all did. And if anyone missed it, the commentators were all over it. That is a coaching issue... but what does that have to do with us running it more during this game?

I was addressing your comment

"Yeah, but the bad defence started way before the turnovers"

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pittpnthrs":30b6za31 said:
While I agree a balanced attack would be nice, the reality is that this team needs to outscore other teams to win or are playing from behind because of one of the most atrocious defenses in football history, so the run game is going to take a backseat no matter what.


Russ can not take that kind of punishment... or he is going to get hurt... thats the bottom line for me...


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If Carson was healthy, then they would have ran the ball more effectively.

Dallas just isn't quite ready and Homer isn't a 3 down back. They need a healthy Carson for the running attack to actually be effective imo.
Then the play action would be effective as well.
 

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TwistedHusky":3fknabkq said:
Actually, running the ball killed an important drive.

Those 2 runs to Homer effectively ended our comeback.

If anything, running the ball was the problem.

Don't forget they handed it to Homer on the 3rd and 1 before Russell's first pick. Homer has killed more drives than our defense this year. I know he's a great pass protector, but he should not be getting the ball. There are many obvious pass downs throughout the course of a game. He should be used on those and those only.
 

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The threat of running the ball is what matters more than actually running the ball, but we didn't have either today. If you don't think that matters then by all means look at the Bills. A very mediocre Seahawks defensive line had *7 sacks* against them because we knew they were looking to pass, and then a couple of the big plays that put the game away for them were screens that countered our aggression.

This is the second time (and second loss) this season where we have really struggled to pick up the blitz. Some of that is TE/RB blocking but a lot is pre-snap adjustments and diagnosis. I don't mind if we take most of the play clock at the line of scrimmage if we are getting that stuff right, but it's a huge problem when we spend the entire play clock trying to figure things out and then keep getting it wrong. If we have a third game like this at some point then I think we need to cut bait sometime in the third quarter and just go to a quicker paced offense for the rest of the game.

I also think we overreacted on defense after the 0-14 hole and approached things backwards. They thought they needed to bring more pressure to get to Allen and punish the constant passing, but he was very good today and consistently made the right decision. With the benefit of hindsight it would have worked out better to drop more DBs into disguised coverages and force Allen into more difficult throws. Maybe they felt that they didn't have enough DBs for that to work given the injuries there, but I'm not loving the blitz happy defensive scheming against a QB with poise like Allen showed today.

I do think the game plan we saw today has a much better chance of working against many of the remaining QBs on our schedule - Jared Goff among them.
 
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Our offense wasn't the problem


REALLY? you dont think 4 turnovers is an issue?


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LTH":195nwmbc said:
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Our offense wasn't the problem


REALLY? you dont think 4 turnovers is an issue?


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Do you really think they all happen if our defense could have stopped them and we did not have to force it? We were down 14 points in The first 7.5 minutes of the game. We made them punt once. The defense got 0 turn overs. Sorry dude the defense was far and away the biggest reason we lost.
 

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John63":320yty95 said:
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Welshers":320yty95 said:
Our offense wasn't the problem


REALLY? you dont think 4 turnovers is an issue?


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Do you really think they all happen if our defense could have stopped them and we did not have to force it? We were down 14 points in The first 7.5 minutes of the game. We made them punt once. The defense got 0 turn overs. Sorry dude the defense was far and away the biggest reason we lost.


The math would disagree. Buffalo scored 17 points off turnovers?

44 - 17 = 27

Hawks scored 34. Buffalo would then score 27. Who wins?

Every wants to drink the Let Russ Cook coolaid and I get that. He's the best QB we've ever had. But he can't do it all. Giving opposing offenses short fields to score points is never a good way to win games.

This loss was mostly on the offense.
 

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