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The only thing that drives me bonkers about this offense is that Bevell hasn't figured out that if he takes the average time that RW's had to get rid of the ball and then compares that to his playbook (and how long some of those plays need in order to develop), he'll see that a lot of them are simply going to get blown up.

Why not substitute a few of those for quick hits in the flat, up the right or left hash or to a TE on a slant. I saw Brees making those throws last night and he sure as hell didn't have any trouble getting them over the d-line.
 

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^I think the 4th quarter against the Texans is a good example of why he sticks to those plays. Where there's risk of them getting blown up, there's always Russell Wilson's ability to get out of that and make a big play happen with his arm or legs.
 

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In New Orleans its a known that Brees's height will mean he misses WR's, open ones. It's such a known, that its never mentioned, they just understand that's the "bad" you take with all of Brees' "good".

FWIW...

Fart...
 

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In Minnesota, Bevell was known as a check down Charlie OC. A most extreme version of the old WCO, he was considered the closest coach in the league to running the mike Holmgren offense. Everything was 5-10 yards from the LOS.

I think Carroll is the one pushing the big plays. I think that's his style. Emphasize the consistent run game and use the passing game to stretch the field. Bevell is just following directions.
 

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pehawk":3q389grf said:
The non-bubble screen game will be deadly when Harvin returns and as Michael gets more acceptable to the coaching staff. Right now, its just bubble, and rightfully so.

You would think Tate would crush it with screens. I'd also like to see Baldwin and Kearse get a few. Like someone mentioned, nothing like getting your QB game reps for when Harvin comes back.

Scotte, is the lack of a short passing game going to hurt us when Harvin comes back ? When Bevell had Harvin in Minnesota, something like 80% or more of his passes were caught within 8 yards of the los (either that or last year, I can't remember exactly and I might be mixing up my stats). I do know that is how Harvin is used for the most part and getting him the ball quickly in space has been a good formula for his career. It would also open up some of the deep PA stuff.
 

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McGruff":5pjzsg1k said:
In Minnesota, Bevell was known as a check down Charlie OC. A most extreme version of the old WCO, he was considered the closest coach in the league to running the mike Holmgren offense. Everything was 5-10 yards from the LOS.

I think Carroll is the one pushing the big plays. I think that's his style. Emphasize the consistent run game and use the passing game to stretch the field. Bevell is just following directions.

Well Bevell is definitely not fitting that description here. I'd love some WC concepts to be added so Russ actually has a chance to get rid of the ball before he gets pressured.
 

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There is nothing wrong with introducing new plays during the season, it provides the element of surprise.
 

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To me the next thing Russell needs to learn is to diagnose the defense better. When he can read blitz schemes and can predict where the hole in coverage will be when the blitz comes (a la Manning, Brady), he will be Elite.

He's still got plenty of time to learn, and I believe he will be successful.
 

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AbsolutNET":1o7avg9m said:
McGruff":1o7avg9m said:
In Minnesota, Bevell was known as a check down Charlie OC. A most extreme version of the old WCO, he was considered the closest coach in the league to running the mike Holmgren offense. Everything was 5-10 yards from the LOS.

I think Carroll is the one pushing the big plays. I think that's his style. Emphasize the consistent run game and use the passing game to stretch the field. Bevell is just following directions.

Well Bevell is definitely not fitting that description here. I'd love some WC concepts to be added so Russ actually has a chance to get rid of the ball before he gets pressured.

I don't ever see that being Wilson's game. I could be wrong, but I can never see it.

Even before Harvin I was lobbying for this offense to get a jitterbug/offensive-weapon type. Metcalf/Cribbs/Bush/Sproles, someone like that. It can basically add the short passing game, for a short QB, there's a reason why NO needs that position. I think Harvin's that.

So, I don't think we can even fathom Bevell's true intent at this point.

Fart....
 

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I came to the same conclusion rewatching this. Wilson missed a lot of open receivers even when he had time to step up and throw. He was definitely a bit spooked. I know we're never supposed to be negative about Wilson here, but he has to get his vision downfield sorted if we're going to get our offense rolling.
 
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The quick slant is in the arsenal, Tate has gotten a couple, and Rice got an easy td vs the Jags with an inside slant, in addition to the first down vs the Texans. Will it ever be a big part of the ID? Probably not. If our O-line had been healthy, Miller would have had a much bigger game vs the Texans, IMO, just like he did vs the Falcons when they gave away the middle.

The big play mentality isn't just Pete. It is Russell too. THe O-line struggles aren't just Bevell's play calls, they are on Russell too. He holds the ball because there are big plays in it, it was just that vs Houston it wasn't one guy he was escaping to make a big play, it 3 or 4. I don't think it is coincidence that he finally got some time when a couple of read options were called for him, that froze the edge rushers a bit.

They do not want to get Russell hurt so they have avoided the RO for the most part. It is the changeup that slows defenses down, our play action game simply isn't doing that right now.
My opinion, which is worth precisely dick, is that Russell is taking so many hits in play action right now that why the hell not with read option?
 

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pehawk":1nccnrto said:
AbsolutNET":1nccnrto said:
McGruff":1nccnrto said:
In Minnesota, Bevell was known as a check down Charlie OC. A most extreme version of the old WCO, he was considered the closest coach in the league to running the mike Holmgren offense. Everything was 5-10 yards from the LOS.

I think Carroll is the one pushing the big plays. I think that's his style. Emphasize the consistent run game and use the passing game to stretch the field. Bevell is just following directions.

Well Bevell is definitely not fitting that description here. I'd love some WC concepts to be added so Russ actually has a chance to get rid of the ball before he gets pressured.

I don't ever see that being Wilson's game. I could be wrong, but I can never see it.

Even before Harvin I was lobbying for this offense to get a jitterbug/offensive-weapon type. Metcalf/Cribbs/Bush/Sproles, someone like that. It can basically add the short passing game, for a short QB, there's a reason why NO needs that position. I think Harvin's that.

So, I don't think we can even fathom Bevell's true intent at this point.

Fart....

Then use the slants/digs/snags to get our RB's to the flats and target them. Right now either we don't have a viable pressure beating package, or Russell is still trying to make every play a big one. Last week was the type of game where a check-down or two could have been the best passes of the game.
 
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