Texans All 22 notes.

Scottemojo

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
14,663
Reaction score
1
Very little new knowledge was to be found in the all 22, but there was a little.

On the Texans first good run, they played a great numbers game, pulling two linemen left to create a 4 on 3 blocking even though Seattle has presented an 8 man front. Perfect ZBS. In addition, they got the RT up field to wall off lateral help from the linebackers. Well designed. It would pay off big time in play action later.

The Texans do a great job of selling play action with their offensive linemen.

53 had a rough day for the Hawks, but on a couple of plays where he got blamed he did his job well. It would seem he had a predetermined zone drop that should have forced the tight end into a safety zone, but both times safeties were peeking at the WR. 53 got the blame, but I think he executed his assignment well. Also, 57, Morgan, was immediately targeted when he came in for Wright.

Seattle did not run as much zone on the tight ends in the first half as some might imagine. Maxwell played some man on Daniels, actually did it very well, and Schaub threw a great pass over him. Schaub is deadly when he feels safe. I feel good about my report on him last week, I think Seattle showed he has a panic button.

I think Houston has different route options for when the receivers go to the line and see either zone or man. Probably a call from Schaub, but maybe an automatic. When they line up vs man, it becomes a 2 man game with rub routes. Vs zone, there seem to be some automatic seam routes, especially if PA is in play.

Russell Wilson had less than 3 seconds to throw for most of the first half. Any formation with Coleman on the field brought extra pass rush, with Houston apparently assuming it was play action and sending rushers through run gaps. I hate saying this, but in the 2nd half Wilson missed some easy reads because to my eye his internal clock was telling get the hell out after one read. Remember the deep ball Baldwin caught vs San Fran? He was even more open than that on one of Wilson's scrambles, but Wilson never saw him. Later, Wilson would target Rice several times, but Wilson was just plain off his timing by then and couldn't get the ball to Rice.

I was suspicious that Seattle simply was not running routes through line backer zones, and for the most part that held true. There were not a lot of blitz beater routes.

Seattle lined up with an H back several times. A couple of times it was Miller, once Wilson, and Coleman a couple of times. Coleman looks remarkably better as an H-back than a full back. I don't know exactly what assignment Wilson had when he lined up as a blocker, but he cut behind the line right past the guy who would blow Lynch up for the fumble. Feels to me like Wilson should have seen him. I think he was trying to execute a wham block and went right past Cushing who was coming through the gap.

Michael Bowie was fundamentally sound on a lot of plays, but didn't have a lot of punch in pass pro. McQ and Carp got eaten up several times by two man stunts.
 

pehawk

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 23, 2007
Messages
24,216
Reaction score
1,738
Thank you.

Curious (take that as an innuendo too, scotte ;), but is McDonald THAT improved or is he just benefitting from some versatile DLinemen?
 

ClumsyLurk

New member
Joined
Jul 26, 2012
Messages
1,738
Reaction score
0
Thanks Scott, do you recall what point in the game it was when Baldwin was wide open on the deep?

Also would you say Houston runs the typical 3-4 wherein an edge LB is blitzing on pretty much every play? Stupid me thought Cushing was a DE, seemed like it with Watt on the other side.
 
Joined
May 3, 2009
Messages
432
Reaction score
12
Well done, Scott. One other thing that I think should be mentioned is that we didn't really have the ball a whole helluva lot on offense in the first half. We only attempted 5(!) passes.
 
OP
OP
Scottemojo

Scottemojo

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
14,663
Reaction score
1
ClumsyLurk":2droll9e said:
Thanks Scott, do you recall what point in the game it was when Baldwin was wide open on the deep?

Also would you say Houston runs the typical 3-4 wherein an edge LB is blitzing on pretty much every play? Stupid me thought Cushing was a DE, seemed like it with Watt on the other side.
Houston brings 5 or even 6 a lot.
 
OP
OP
Scottemojo

Scottemojo

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
14,663
Reaction score
1
ClumsyLurk":wmkd47w1 said:
Thanks Scott, do you recall what point in the game it was when Baldwin was wide open on the deep?

Also would you say Houston runs the typical 3-4 wherein an edge LB is blitzing on pretty much every play? Stupid me thought Cushing was a DE, seemed like it with Watt on the other side.
The play after the Kearse PI, the one incomplete to Tate deep. 12:12 of the 4th.

Also, Mercilus had a great game. With all the attention Watt gets, Mercilus gets lost a bit, but he is awesome.
 

MontanaHawk05

Well-known member
Joined
May 1, 2009
Messages
18,582
Reaction score
1,515
Scotte, do you think it's Wilson's height that makes blitz-beaters less helpful on this offense? Throwing lanes aside, he's still going to have better vision of the sidelines than the LB zones.
 
OP
OP
Scottemojo

Scottemojo

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
14,663
Reaction score
1
MontanaHawk05":gevw220x said:
Scotte, do you think it's Wilson's height that makes blitz-beaters less helpful on this offense? Throwing lanes aside, he's still going to have better vision of the sidelines than the LB zones.

No. At 7:37 of the 3rd there was an 11 yard completion to Rice that was a perfect example of a route in the middle that sat down in a zone. Russell saw it the whole way, held off on the throw until he had a lane, then let it go for the first down. He can make those throws.

On most pass plays, there just weren't any hot routes through the blitz beater zones. Our game plan was play action heavy, which doesn't really work with those passes.
 

formido

New member
Joined
Nov 29, 2012
Messages
547
Reaction score
0
Location
Ventura, CA
MontanaHawk05":3fi2x42g said:
Scotte, do you think it's Wilson's height that makes blitz-beaters less helpful on this offense? Throwing lanes aside, he's still going to have better vision of the sidelines than the LB zones.

Did you watch Brees last night? He threw slants and down the middle of the field all game long. What did Brees do last night that Wilson couldn't do if Seattle wanted him to? Seattle doesn't have a Saints-style passing offense by design.
 

HunnyBadger

New member
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
540
Reaction score
0
I really don't understand why Bevell would want to throw a screen pass to Stephen Williams???

SW seems more of a deep threat straight line speed guy with good catching radius....not a juky quick guy. It also drives me nuts when they throw screens to Sidney Rice.
 
OP
OP
Scottemojo

Scottemojo

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
14,663
Reaction score
1
MontanaHawk05":1voh4lcr said:
Ok. Bevell sucks then.
Trust me, as a known Bevell mistruster, I want to agree, but Bevell not using the short area is not new. We have sucked vs the blitz for his whole tenure.
Edit. I guess I did agree.
 

MontanaHawk05

Well-known member
Joined
May 1, 2009
Messages
18,582
Reaction score
1,515
To be fair, maybe it's Carroll who's constantly lusting over the big play. Bevell isn't the first OC he's hired who shares that profile.
 

Recon_Hawk

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 18, 2010
Messages
3,320
Reaction score
468
Location
Massachusetts
Scotte, is it just me or does it seem opposing offenses are having a lot of success with crack down blocks against our 5-tech (especially Red) on sweep plays and such to the outside.
 

pehawk

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 23, 2007
Messages
24,216
Reaction score
1,738
HunnyBadger":myg9xlrb said:
I really don't understand why Bevell would want to throw a screen pass to Stephen Williams???

SW seems more of a deep threat straight line speed guy with good catching radius....not a juky quick guy. It also drives me nuts when they throw screens to Sidney Rice.

I actually liked that play call. That game was a slugfest, with both teams gassed, winded and beat to hell. ESPECIALLY when that call was made. Throw it to the fresh and fast guy.

I liked that call. Really.
 
OP
OP
Scottemojo

Scottemojo

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
14,663
Reaction score
1
Recon_Hawk":28t6dkkk said:
Scotte, is it just me or does it seem opposing offenses are having a lot of success with crack down blocks against our 5-tech (especially Red) on sweep plays and such to the outside.
Houston has success with that against everyone. It's a big part of the way they create a numbers advantage. If they can get the end down, now the rest of the line has to go over and around him.
 

HunnyBadger

New member
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
540
Reaction score
0
pehawk":nec1y8vi said:
HunnyBadger":nec1y8vi said:
I really don't understand why Bevell would want to throw a screen pass to Stephen Williams???

SW seems more of a deep threat straight line speed guy with good catching radius....not a juky quick guy. It also drives me nuts when they throw screens to Sidney Rice.

I actually liked that play call. That game was a slugfest, with both teams gassed, winded and beat to hell. ESPECIALLY when that call was made. Throw it to the fresh and fast guy.

I liked that call. Really.

That is a good point about SW being fresh at that point in the game...but if that is the thought, then I would have rather had Kearse be the target on the screen pass.
 

Recon_Hawk

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 18, 2010
Messages
3,320
Reaction score
468
Location
Massachusetts
pehawk":2qznv0y0 said:
HunnyBadger":2qznv0y0 said:
I really don't understand why Bevell would want to throw a screen pass to Stephen Williams???

SW seems more of a deep threat straight line speed guy with good catching radius....not a juky quick guy. It also drives me nuts when they throw screens to Sidney Rice.

I actually liked that play call. That game was a slugfest, with both teams gassed, winded and beat to hell. ESPECIALLY when that call was made. Throw it to the fresh and fast guy.

I liked that call. Really.

If only the screengame wasn't so inconsistent with this team it might have worked, too. I hope they stick with these plays because game reps are the best way to polish that part of the offense, but its madding seeing a simple 8 yard toss go incomplete or Wilson double-pumping and the timing of the play thrown off.
 

pehawk

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 23, 2007
Messages
24,216
Reaction score
1,738
The non-bubble screen game will be deadly when Harvin returns and as Michael gets more acceptable to the coaching staff. Right now, its just bubble, and rightfully so.
 
Top