Largent80
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Wait. Hawk players arreseted?...It's a conspiracy, and Pete says they will all play Sunday...... :lol:
kidhawk":1j8lpjl0 said:By the way, when I say conviction, IMO, the statistical analysis would have to include anyone who's conviction got set aside due to plea deals that would put them in probationary status or diversion type programs. I'd also like the list to include alongside the conviction, exactly what the circumstance was in which they were arrested. This would give us a more realistic picture as to what types of players are on current rosters and what NFL organizations are willing to forgive and look past.
bigtrain21":9t1o0rph said:Popeyejones":9t1o0rph said:Edit: also worth saying that if it WAS the coach who mattered, we'd expect a renowned player's coach (e.g. Pete Carroll) to have more arrests on his team than a strong, father figure disciplinarian type (e.g. Mike Singletary). We could investigate that question if we could get players to rank all the NFL coaches in terms of their role as disciplinarians, but it might be a waste of time given that we already have a reasonable suspicion that it's not the coach that matters.
I realize this isn't your main point but don't confuse players coach for being someone that allows his players to walk all over him.
Popeyejones":3jxuwq09 said:kidhawk":3jxuwq09 said:By the way, when I say conviction, IMO, the statistical analysis would have to include anyone who's conviction got set aside due to plea deals that would put them in probationary status or diversion type programs. I'd also like the list to include alongside the conviction, exactly what the circumstance was in which they were arrested. This would give us a more realistic picture as to what types of players are on current rosters and what NFL organizations are willing to forgive and look past.
IIRC convictions are in the dataset and you could run them if you wanted.
As for the "circumstances" to me that sounds like slipping into the inherently subjective type of coding that can make formal analysis beside the point.
It also sounds like you're interested in a different question than these data are tackling.
I suppose you could get at it from available data, but it would be really big project, a pain in the @ss to code, and you probably wouldn't have enough data to get beyond the autocorrelation problems if you're just interested in CURRENT rosters and teams (players nested in teams).
My suspicion is that folks who have run this aren't separating the series into two discrete time periods because they're lazy, but because the data aren't robust enough to treat them in a more nuanced way. (I'm just guessing about that though).
MizzouHawkGal":qm8gydxx said:This is what I am trying to say. Number arrests is basically meaningless what type of crime commited is better. The the most meaningful is who is on your roster now with either. For instance anything before 2010 is meaningless for Seattle same goes for San Francisco and 2011.kidhawk":qm8gydxx said:I think a better and more telling stat about an organization, is not the number of arrests, but the number of players with convictions on their current roster and what those convictions are for.
kidhawk":2qo84ubr said:I just think that a list of arrests by teams is only half the story.
mikeak":2otntbjg said:This completely ignores how the owner impacts both the hiring of a GM, Coach and how the owner communicates with players, how the owner allows / doesn't allow players with known issues in their background to be drafted and finally how the owner handles players that gets arrested / convicted.
Example. Supposedly Harbaugh wanted Rice off the Baltimore team. Supposedly the owner shut it down.....