Some head scratching decisions by our front office

[HansGruber]

So, Hans... knowing why they waived McGrath, how would you ahve handled it differently?

I would have cut Loutouleielielie, and kept McGrath. Zach Miller has been injury-prone his entire career and Willson is a rookie, you don't know how he's going to play. It didn't make sense to go into the season with only 2 TEs. Loutoulelielielielie was getting rag-dolled in the preseason by third stringers and numerous fans here saw it.

Brock and Danny both expressed the same concerns. And it turned out exactly as we all feared. 3 of our O-linemen are out, we've got Zach Miller out with an injury again and our only starting TEs are Willson and Kellen Davis, neither of whom are playing anywhere near McGrath's level. Loutouelleielie's with the Jags, so that didn't work out anyway. So it was just a massive FAIL any way you look at it.


I'm not knocking Carroll, but I'm bummed because McGrath could have really helped us, and a lot of us saw that in the preseason.

We let a good thing go. And now the Chief's fans and team are raving about him. The guy is already a fan favorite, Alex Smith is praising him, Andy Reid is taking about him, they LOVE him down in KC, and it just kills me to see this stuff:

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/29/45 ... unity.html
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/02/45 ... grath.html
http://kckingdom.com/2013/10/11/kansas- ... n-mcgrath/
http://football.dailyherald.com/article ... 710069921/
http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-02/t ... cially-te1

 

[HansGruber]

This photo of McGrath and his family makes me want to punch somebody. This could have been part of our story going into the Superbowl.

I WANT A ZZ-TOP BEARD!!



BTW, the dude on the far right is the Seahawks TE coach. The rest of the folks are McGrath's family.

 

[bestfightstory]

I'm with you Hans. Was beside myself, when we let McGrath go. The practice I attended with Dom, I was struck by the rapport McGrath seemed to have with RW. They were lighting things up that day. I was sure we had found a competent 2nd or 3rd TE, depending on Willson's play. Bummer.

 

[Lynch Mob]

I bet B.J. Daniels is the backup QB next year and they let T-Jack go for financial reasons. The stephan Williams move was to bring back Bruce Irvin but they also knew Percy Harvin was running and should be back soon so why keep Williams he don't even play special teams.

i don't know if anyone already pointed that out

 

[seabowl]

I bet B.J. Daniels is the backup QB next year and they let T-Jack go for financial reasons. The stephan Williams move was to bring back Bruce Irvin but they also knew Percy Harvin was running and should be back soon so why keep Williams he don't even play special teams.

i don't know if anyone already pointed that out

We basically picked up Daniels and cut Williams. You may very well be right about Daniels being the backup next season but with only 4 WR's in the game last week we could have used Williams and the outcome could have been different. BJ did not enter the game so it was risky letting Williams go during a stretch where we are thin at receiving options such as last week. Only time will tell with Daniels but if he is off the roster anytime soon then the gamble was not worth it

 

[Jville]

So, Hans... knowing why they waived McGrath, how would you ahve handled it differently?

I would have cut Loutouleielielie, and kept McGrath. Zach Miller has been injury-prone his entire career and Willson is a rookie, you don't know how he's going to play. It didn't make sense to go into the season with only 2 TEs. Loutoulelielielielie was getting rag-dolled in the preseason by third stringers and numerous fans here saw it.

Brock and Danny both expressed the same concerns. And it turned out exactly as we all feared. 3 of our O-linemen are out, we've got Zach Miller out with an injury again and our only starting TEs are Willson and Kellen Davis, neither of whom are playing anywhere near McGrath's level. Loutouelleielie's with the Jags, so that didn't work out anyway. So it was just a massive FAIL any way you look at it.


I'm not knocking Carroll, but I'm bummed because McGrath could have really helped us, and a lot of us saw that in the preseason.

We let a good thing go. And now the Chief's fans and team are raving about him. The guy is already a fan favorite, Alex Smith is praising him, Andy Reid is taking about him, they LOVE him down in KC, and it just kills me to see this stuff:

I liked Sean McGrath and was disappointed with the news of his release.

However, to label Zach Miller, who has appeared in 97 out of a possible 101 regular season games (98%), as injury prone is not accurate.

 

[hawkfan68]

I bet B.J. Daniels is the backup QB next year and they let T-Jack go for financial reasons. The stephan Williams move was to bring back Bruce Irvin but they also knew Percy Harvin was running and should be back soon so why keep Williams he don't even play special teams.

i don't know if anyone already pointed that out

We basically picked up Daniels and cut Williams. You may very well be right about Daniels being the backup next season but with only 4 WR's in the game last week we could have used Williams and the outcome could have been different. BJ did not enter the game so it was risky letting Williams go during a stretch where we are thin at receiving options such as last week. Only time will tell with Daniels but if he is off the roster anytime soon then the gamble was not worth it

I disagree. The biggest play that changed that game was the FG block for TD. That put the Colts ahead 14-12 instead of being down 15-7. Stephen Williams would not have made a difference on that play because he doesn't play on ST. He most likely wouldn't have seen any playing time since they were going back and forth scoring wise. IIRC, he only got in the Jax game (PT wise) and that was when the game was well in hand.

 

[seabowl]

I bet B.J. Daniels is the backup QB next year and they let T-Jack go for financial reasons. The stephan Williams move was to bring back Bruce Irvin but they also knew Percy Harvin was running and should be back soon so why keep Williams he don't even play special teams.

i don't know if anyone already pointed that out

We basically picked up Daniels and cut Williams. You may very well be right about Daniels being the backup next season but with only 4 WR's in the game last week we could have used Williams and the outcome could have been different. BJ did not enter the game so it was risky letting Williams go during a stretch where we are thin at receiving options such as last week. Only time will tell with Daniels but if he is off the roster anytime soon then the gamble was not worth it

I disagree. The biggest play that changed that game was the FG block for TD. That put the Colts ahead 14-12 instead of being down 15-7. Stephen Williams would not have made a difference on that play because he doesn't play on ST. He most likely wouldn't have seen any playing time since they were going back and forth scoring wise. IIRC, he only got in the Jax game (PT wise) and that was when the game was well in hand.[/

I too can pick out one play and say he wasn't going to be a factor. I never said it was one play. What about all of the offensive plays where we could have used another wr? Having only 4 active without our starting TE plaing puts a strain on an offense. It's an opinion thing at this point.

 

[seedhawk]

I don't think the BJ move had any effect whatsoever on Williams. We had the exempt free roster spot for the 3rd Qb open. Right now no one knows if BJ will pan out but signing him really didn't cost us anything.

 

[DavidSeven]

I don't think the BJ move had any effect whatsoever on Williams. We had the exempt free roster spot for the 3rd Qb open. Right now no one knows if BJ will pan out but signing him really didn't cost us anything.

That's not a thing.

Lotulelei was cut to make room for Daniels. Williams was cut to make room for Irvin. If no Daniels, then Lotu is cut for Irvin and Williams stays on the roster.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

"If only....." Those famous words are the lament of every NFL losing team last weekend. Hindsight is always 20/20. Unfortunately, Pete and John do not have that luxury. Generally speaking, they have "guessed right" on which players to keep.
Have they made mistakes?....of course, and they will readily admit it in private. It might not make the evening news or even Seahawks Insider. Winning solves a host of issues! Let's see what happens in the next six games....what do you say?

 

[cover-2]

Stephen Williams was highly overrated on here, he was just a tall WR with good speed with minimal ball skills & route runner. More athlete than football player. Williams was just a taller version of Ricardo Lockett. Williams had a few decent catches (body catches, not with his hands). Going into the season with only 2 TE's was the only head scratcher IMO. Daniels fits what we want in a QB, and Travaris is more than likely going to sign with another next year. Daniels for up a overrated WR or backup LB is fine with me. Daniels has upside that fits our system, whereas Williams is a coach killer, good potential/athlete but after a few years into his NFL career has not convicecd a team he can actually play.

 

[seedhawk]

I don't think the BJ move had any effect whatsoever on Williams. We had the exempt free roster spot for the 3rd Qb open. Right now no one knows if BJ will pan out but signing him really didn't cost us anything.

That's not a thing.

Lotulelei was cut to make room for Daniels. Williams was cut to make room for Irvin. If no Daniels, then Lotu is cut for Irvin and Williams stays on the roster.

I disagree. We signed Swift cuz we needed a backup C with Unger out with his tricepts strain. Someone has to go. We signed BJ when we did cuz we knew his 3 week window would be up and we could then use the 3rd Qb exemption, which coincides exactly with Harvins scheduled return. Walters was brought up when we ditched Swift to provide another WR, and also some added ST impact. Williams, for all his heigth and speed was basically a 1 trick pony, and we have precious few of those on our roster. We had simply seen ehough of Williams and Lout.

 

[DavidSeven]

I don't think the BJ move had any effect whatsoever on Williams. We had the exempt free roster spot for the 3rd Qb open. Right now no one knows if BJ will pan out but signing him really didn't cost us anything.

That's not a thing.

Lotulelei was cut to make room for Daniels. Williams was cut to make room for Irvin. If no Daniels, then Lotu is cut for Irvin and Williams stays on the roster.

I disagree. We signed Swift cuz we needed a backup C with Unger out with his tricepts strain. Someone has to go. We signed BJ when we did cuz we knew his 3 week window would be up and we could then use the 3rd Qb exemption, which coincides exactly with Harvins scheduled return. Walters was brought up when we ditched Swift to provide another WR, and also some added ST impact. Williams, for all his heigth and speed was basically a 1 trick pony, and we have precious few of those on our roster. We had simply seen ehough of Williams and Lout.

Why do you keep saying "3rd QB exemption"? This isn't a thing. Are you referring to the old rule that allowed an inactive 3rd string QB to enter a game? That rule doesn't exist anymore, and it wasn't an exemption for the 53-man roster anyway.

 

[hawkfan68]

I bet B.J. Daniels is the backup QB next year and they let T-Jack go for financial reasons. The stephan Williams move was to bring back Bruce Irvin but they also knew Percy Harvin was running and should be back soon so why keep Williams he don't even play special teams.

i don't know if anyone already pointed that out

We basically picked up Daniels and cut Williams. You may very well be right about Daniels being the backup next season but with only 4 WR's in the game last week we could have used Williams and the outcome could have been different. BJ did not enter the game so it was risky letting Williams go during a stretch where we are thin at receiving options such as last week. Only time will tell with Daniels but if he is off the roster anytime soon then the gamble was not worth it

I disagree. The biggest play that changed that game was the FG block for TD. That put the Colts ahead 14-12 instead of being down 15-7. Stephen Williams would not have made a difference on that play because he doesn't play on ST. He most likely wouldn't have seen any playing time since they were going back and forth scoring wise. IIRC, he only got in the Jax game (PT wise) and that was when the game was well in hand.[/

I too can pick out one play and say he wasn't going to be a factor. I never said it was one play. What about all of the offensive plays where we could have used another wr? Having only 4 active without our starting TE plaing puts a strain on an offense. It's an opinion thing at this point.

It's not just one play. I just gave an example of what I thought was a game changing play and that because Williams is not a ST player he wouldn't have had an impact. Stephen Williams was on the bench 99% of plays so far this year. He's not that valuable to the team at that point.

 

[ImTheScientist]

PC and JS were right on Wilson when the majority of you were wrong.

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

Our utmost potential head-scratching moves for the year are topped by cutting a third-string TE and a #5 WR who doesn't contribute on ST. Just take a step back and let that awesomeness sink right on in.

 

[ChrisB Bacon]

Only Hawks fans would be confused over the movement of 3rd stringers on an NFL team.

IMO it's not particular to Hawks fans, and is more generally one of the (rare) downsides of having a great team to root for. Save for injuries your starters and backups are mostly in place, good, and therefore uninteresting, so fans start to dissect moves at the bottom of the roster. And maybe those moves are a little odder than the one's for bad teams, because when you have a really good roster, you can afford to take some flyers at the bottom.

I'd say this slots into second place behind the "Our draft picks aren't playing, the must all be busts!!!" meme that you see among fans of good teams (which already have their starters in place and don't need to start rookies, and don't need to reach for guys to plug in holes in their lineup...)