Seattle vs. Atlanta matchups

[treefidy]

He was the problem. One Int and two fumbles added to another fumble is the main reason for the loss. You can slice it anyway you want but 6 sacks in addition to the turn overs is a massive fail.

I haven't looked it up but has Seimian produced 3 turn overs while holding the ball so long that one of the worst pass rushing teams in the league could sack him 6 times?

You are being either ignorant or obtuse trying to say he has performed as well as Seimian. He was the perfect QB for a defense that lacks the ability to pressure the passer. An average Seimian performance and your leaving Mile high with your tail between your legs.

Do you really think the Donks would have started Seimian if the believed Lynch was ready? Do you think they will start him this week if Siemian is cleared to play?

He had 2 fumbles, both were recovered by Denver. Notice San Diego isn't getting the pressure Atlanta did. That's weird, we are the worst pass rush in the league.

He performed FAR BETTER than Siemian did in his first game AND this game behind the same OL, with the same offense and same receivers.

 

[pcbball12]

Ok, it was inept QB play. What does it matter which QB it was that was playing like garbage? Obviously this Denver team is not as good as people thought they were. Can't move the ball against two mediocre to bad defenses two weeks in a row. Both QB's are not good.

Well seeing as San Diego is using our game plan to the T to attack their defense, I'd say we might have figured something out.

Siemian is not getting pressured his week, like Lynch did last week. But hey, it was poor QB play last week.

Denver is still going to win this game, solely because of their defense.

You very well may have. But that doesn't change the fact the Lynch played like trash. Also, he is not getting the pressure tonight because he is manipulating the pocket, moving off his spot, and getting rid of the ball. Something Lynch did not do at all. If Lynch was playing, SD very well may have 3 or 4 sacks right now.

 

[pcbball12]

He was the problem. One Int and two fumbles added to another fumble is the main reason for the loss. You can slice it anyway you want but 6 sacks in addition to the turn overs is a massive fail.

I haven't looked it up but has Seimian produced 3 turn overs while holding the ball so long that one of the worst pass rushing teams in the league could sack him 6 times?

You are being either ignorant or obtuse trying to say he has performed as well as Seimian. He was the perfect QB for a defense that lacks the ability to pressure the passer. An average Seimian performance and your leaving Mile high with your tail between your legs.

Do you really think the Donks would have started Seimian if the believed Lynch was ready? Do you think they will start him this week if Siemian is cleared to play?

He had 2 fumbles, both were recovered by Denver. Notice San Diego isn't getting the pressure Atlanta did. That's weird, we are the worst pass rush in the league.

He performed FAR BETTER than Siemian did in his first game AND this game behind the same OL, with the same offense and same receivers.

No he didn't. You are failing to realize that most of the pressure and sacks you guys got was due to Lynch. He literally was a statue that had 0 pocket awareness or movement. Just stood there.

 

[treefidy]

No he didn't. You are failing to realize that most of the pressure and sacks you guys got was due to Lynch. He literally was a statue that had 0 pocket awareness or movement. Just stood there.

No. I'm really not failing to see anything. Watching Siemian tonight is EXACTLY like watching Lynch last week.

 

[pcbball12]

No he didn't. You are failing to realize that most of the pressure and sacks you guys got was due to Lynch. He literally was a statue that had 0 pocket awareness or movement. Just stood there.

No. I'm really not failing to see anything. Watching Siemian tonight is EXACTLY like watching Lynch last week.

From a production standpoint, sure. He IS getting pressure on him however, don't know how you can't see that. He is just able to avoid sacks with movement. Lynch would have been sacked 3 or 4 times by now. What I am saying is, your 6 sacks are inflated due to Lynch and his inability to move in the pocket or get rid of the ball. He didn't even make your DE's change their angles, just flattened out straight off the edge on almost all of your sacks. That is horrendous pocket play from a QB, something (if anything) Siemian is doing a decent job of tonight. Even though he still is not being productive

 

[Smellyman]

"Actually, it was Lynch who showed he wasn't ready Sunday.

He completed 23 of 35 passes for 223 yards with a late TD to Demaryius Thomas and an interception. He was sacked a half-dozen times, including 3 1/2 times by outside linebacker Vic Beasley, who burned right tackle Ty Sambrailo on three of those takedowns. Lynch's footwork was a mess and his overthrows and misfires ruined any chance the Broncos had of capitalizing on the league's 30th ranked defense, including the NFL's next-to-last pass defense and a patchwork linebacker corps ."

The complete article here - http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...game-center/sp-id-10401000001635726?ocid=iehp

Yeah, Lynch was a major reason why the Broncos lost. Yet they only lost 23-16. But don't let facts get in the way of your arguments. You can ignore them.

Speaking of ignorance - considering your earlier posts, it's the pot calling the kettle black.

We'll see on Sunday who still has 1 loss on their 2016 record.

You watching Seimian right now?

Yeah, Lynch was not the problem...

Way to make the point for us. LOL

 

[Smellyman]

If the Hawks don't double Julio, they may lose by 50 though.

Haha. If the Falcons don't double Baldwin they may lose by 100. This is fun.

funny making a point not made.

 

[hawkfan68]

No he didn't. You are failing to realize that most of the pressure and sacks you guys got was due to Lynch. He literally was a statue that had 0 pocket awareness or movement. Just stood there.

No. I'm really not failing to see anything. Watching Siemian tonight is EXACTLY like watching Lynch last week.

Just because Siemian is playing poorly tonight against the Chargers doesn't absolve the fact that Payton Lynch played poorly last Sunday against the Falcons. If he had played well, don't you think he would be in playing against the Chargers instead of standing on the sidelines watching Siemian play? Beisides, you are clearly ignoring another fact that Siemian may not be 100% since he has a bum shoulder. The fact they are starting Siemian says all that need to be said at this point about Lynch and his play so far.

Lynch was clearly not ready to play last Sunday. It has nothing to do with how Siemian is performing tonight unless you are stating that the Chargers are equal to the Falcons defense. Just so you know, the Chargers are currently ranked #23 on total defense. Here's the link - http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/team-stats/sp-s-ypg-a-true-vw-teamdefense?ocid=iehp. Note where the Seahawks are ranked on defense.

 

[Grahamhawker]

Broncos couldn't get Seimian back fast enough. And Seimian...well, he's Trevor Seimian, and the 1-4 Chargers are making him look pretty bad. How is it possible to get "Lynch was not the problem" out of that? -unless you're referring to the overall ineffectiveness of the Bronco offense as the bigger problem.

 

[pcbball12]

So, let me get this straight and try and understand your logic. Because Siemian is playing poorly means that Lynch could not have also played poorly against you guys? Interesting...

 

[Smellyman]

So, let me get this straight and try and understand your logic. Because Siemian is playing poorly means that Lynch could not have also played poorly against you guys? Interesting...

This scrub playing now is better than what was rolled out against the Atlanta Julios™ (Largent80)

 

[RolandDeschain]

I'm sorry tree fondler but you are the most uneducated fan I've seen around here in a while if you think the falcons OL will dominate the Hawks DL, especially in Seattle.

Funny. I heard this all week from the Denver fans.

Then during the game, heard plenty of "Well damn, maybe their OL is better than we though"

Seattle does not have the pass rush that Denver has. Not even close...

Seattle's had the #1 defense for four years running and looks likely to make that five in a row. Denver's has been an up-and-down, flashes-of-brilliance type that is built differently, to boot.

Not very comparable.

 

[Ad Hawk]

And Denver's D is lights out by holding the blazing Chargers' offense to 19 points in the 3rd quarter (as I write this).

I'm confused by the circular arguments being brought by trefiddy.

 

[treefidy]

So, let me get this straight and try and understand your logic. Because Siemian is playing poorly means that Lynch could not have also played poorly against you guys? Interesting...

Nope. You are getting closer. But Lynch was not the problem...

 

[treefidy]

And Denver's D is lights out by holding the blazing Chargers' offense to 19 points in the 3rd quarter (as I write this).

I'm confused by the circular arguments being brought by trefiddy.

Chargers have the #2 offense in the league to us.

They've also had the ball for for 28 minutes to Denver's 17 and just got the ball back, so this will only go up.

You guys are getting closer to discovering the problem with Denver. It's very similar to the current problem with Seattle's offense...

 

[Smellyman]

So, let me get this straight and try and understand your logic. Because Siemian is playing poorly means that Lynch could not have also played poorly against you guys? Interesting...

Nope. You are getting closer. But Lynch was not the problem...

So Denver O just flat sucks, but with a qb worse than siemian put up more points on Atlanta.

So Atlanta is really a bad team?

 

[Ad Hawk]

And Denver's D is lights out by holding the blazing Chargers' offense to 19 points in the 3rd quarter (as I write this).

I'm confused by the circular arguments being brought by trefiddy.

Chargers have the #2 offense in the league to us.

They've also had the ball for for 28 minutes to Denver's 17 and just got the ball back, so this will only go up.

You guys are getting closer to discovering the problem with Denver. It's very similar to the current problem with Seattle's offense...

Strange, they're not 2nd to you, unless you have some subjective measuring stick that will end all reason to have a discussion with you since your posts cannot be trusted.

The problem with Denver is that their defense is highly overrated by some of our guest posters who wish only to attempt to prove they have a better team than they do... as evidenced by their weak showing tonight.

 

[treefidy]

So Denver O just flat sucks, but with a qb worse than siemian put up more points on Atlanta.

So Atlanta is really a bad team?

Denver is lacking a run game right now. This is a major issue, especially when you pair that with two inexperienced QBs and a struggling OL.

 

[treefidy]

Strange, they're not 2nd to you, unless you have some subjective measuring stick that will end all reason to have a discussion with you since your posts cannot be trusted.

The problem with Denver is that their defense is highly overrated by some of our guest posters who wish only to attempt to prove they have a better team than they do... as evidenced by their weak showing tonight.

They aren't?

1 Atlanta 2287 457.4 1667 333.4 620 124.0 175 35.0
2 San Diego 1866 373.2 1414 282.8 452 90.4 152 30.4

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team ... ntsPerGame

The problem with Denver is that their Defense is on the field for a significant portion of the game due to the lack of running game. These last two games, the Falcons and Chargers dominated ToP going into the fourth.

 

[Smellyman]