Seattle Sounders 2015 Season Thread

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Uncle Si":2srnyb51 said:
Let's not mask what this is... cheap moves of desperation. And because this isn't the shack I won't offer any metaphors of cheap and desperate.

We have no idea what DP caliber players were available, but IMO these two moves were to get some much needed experience and quality in multiple positions.........as opposed to one big signing.

One big DP signing still means guys like Neagle, Gonzales, Rose and Pineda are starting........multiple signings of quality means these bench players stay where they belong, on the bench.
 

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Sgt. Largent":337aur0a said:
Uncle Si":337aur0a said:
Let's not mask what this is... cheap moves of desperation. And because this isn't the shack I won't offer any metaphors of cheap and desperate.

We have no idea what DP caliber players were available, but IMO these two moves were to get some much needed experience and quality in multiple positions.........as opposed to one big signing.

One big DP signing still means guys like Neagle, Gonzales, Rose and Pineda are starting........multiple signings of quality means these bench players stay where they belong, on the bench.


Experience, sure. But noone here knows it these are "quality" players. Didn't you say Montero was available? And signing two players instead of one still means those guys are starting, or damn close. Even if/when Dempsey/Martins return and partner with the two new players, there is still no quality wide, still soft in possession in the middle and still older than they want to be.

papering over cracks.
 

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Uncle Si":2tl0if5v said:
Sgt. Largent":2tl0if5v said:
Uncle Si":2tl0if5v said:
Let's not mask what this is... cheap moves of desperation. And because this isn't the shack I won't offer any metaphors of cheap and desperate.

We have no idea what DP caliber players were available, but IMO these two moves were to get some much needed experience and quality in multiple positions.........as opposed to one big signing.

One big DP signing still means guys like Neagle, Gonzales, Rose and Pineda are starting........multiple signings of quality means these bench players stay where they belong, on the bench.


Experience, sure. But noone here knows it these are "quality" players. Didn't you say Montero was available? And signing two players instead of one still means those guys are starting, or damn close. Even if/when Dempsey/Martins return and partner with the two new players, there is still no quality wide, still soft in possession in the middle and still older than they want to be.

papering over cracks.

You may be right, I don't claim to be an expert on either of these signings...........and if Lagerwey comes out and says we had a chance to sign Montero or another big name DP? Then I might side with you.

But we don't know any of that. We do know that with the current injuries we have, Pappa's undetermined return and CONCACAF starting up, the Sounders were desperate for some veteran depth. If the past 30-45 days has shown us anything, it's that this club is terrible when it dips into it's bench to start matches.
 

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That's my thing. It's less about these moves and more about the complacency and lack of planning that has led to them. Both may help the club stabilize itself for a playoff run (or.. run to the playoffs) but they don't address the issues that the Sounders are facing in the very near future...
 

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Uncle Si":20zjb4uj said:
What it sounds like then is no.. noone really knows anything about these two players as players. Santa Cruz is the face of Paraguayan football... I don't know much about Paraguay and know that.

When Paraguay plays against other teams in CONMEBOL, they speak in Guarani rather than Spanish, so the opposing team doesn't understand them.
Also check out this link, crazy story of this Paraguayan superstar who got shot in the head but lived and now sells bread.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...or-cabanas-from-football-star-to-delivery-boy

That's all I know about Paraguay.
 

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NJSeaHawk":1q50oeit said:
Uncle Si":1q50oeit said:
What it sounds like then is no.. noone really knows anything about these two players as players. Santa Cruz is the face of Paraguayan football... I don't know much about Paraguay and know that.

When Paraguay plays against other teams in CONMEBOL, they speak in Guarani rather than Spanish, so the opposing team doesn't understand them.
Also check out this link, crazy story of this Paraguayan superstar who got shot in the head but lived and now sells bread.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...or-cabanas-from-football-star-to-delivery-boy

That's all I know about Paraguay.


I heart you, NJ...
 

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Uncle Si":1qmkot3k said:
NJSeaHawk":1qmkot3k said:
Uncle Si":1qmkot3k said:
What it sounds like then is no.. noone really knows anything about these two players as players. Santa Cruz is the face of Paraguayan football... I don't know much about Paraguay and know that.

When Paraguay plays against other teams in CONMEBOL, they speak in Guarani rather than Spanish, so the opposing team doesn't understand them.
Also check out this link, crazy story of this Paraguayan superstar who got shot in the head but lived and now sells bread.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...or-cabanas-from-football-star-to-delivery-boy

That's all I know about Paraguay.


I heart you, NJ...

Giphy
 

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Uncle Si":3jppdy15 said:
What it sounds like then is no.. noone really knows anything about these two players as players. Santa Cruz is the face of Paraguayan football... I don't know much about Paraguay and know that. And "most" people know Ivanschitz from a video game? Howso? Trolling Mainz for cheap transfers? or for some reason playing as Austria in Tournament mode?

I'm looking at it pragmatically, and in the player's brought in. I won't pretend to know anything about the two players more than I've read and seen (a little of Valdez, nothing of the Austrian) I guess I'm confused as to what the "core" of this club even is. It wasn't addressed properly in the off-season, and now the club is supplementing its off season failures with moves for "experienced" vets on low minimums in the hopes of maximizing the one, maybe two good seasons Dempsey has left? And in doing so found players that take up both Martins and Dempsey's better positions... and offering nothing to help the not so distant reality of a team without both of them.

Still haven't added to the deep midfield... and not a lick of pace or experience out wide (where MLS games tend to gravitate possession and attacking channels). Best summary anyone has offered thus far was Sgt. Largent's "help on set pieces"... and that's just, well...

The team maybe got somewhat better.. but reading this thread it seems as if the Sounders are bottoming out.


Dos Santos, Gerrard, Keane, Villa, Pirlo (Pirlo!?), Drogba (sort of), Lampard, even Kaka are signs of intent from clubs willing to take advantage of closing windows.

Let's not mask what this is... cheap moves of desperation. And because this isn't the shack I won't offer any metaphors of cheap and desperate.

Clubs can spunk as much cash as they want on these DP's, the majority are has beens and well past their prime. Especially Drogba and Gerrard.

I worry about this influx of older players, isn't this why the old NASL ended up failing.
 

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Has beens...
Good contribution...the two players just signed by the Sounders are what then?

Your points not much different than mine though. Sounders have little talent in the middle or out wide and are thin up top. When needing an influx of young talent they chose two 30+ year olds who weren't playing in the top leagues in Europe regularly last year
 

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Uncle Si":unhty668 said:
Has beens...
Good contribution...the two players just signed by the Sounders are what then?

Your points not much different than mine though. Sounders have little talent in the middle or out wide and are thin up top. When needing an influx of young talent they chose two 30+ year olds who weren't playing in the top leagues in Europe regularly last year

At this point in the year young 'uns aren't going to help, it's the July transfer window and they need vets who can provide immediate roster depth.

The January transfer window is where you sign the young players.
 

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Couple of things here. Si, this isn't the rest of the world. This is MLS. Welcome to a league with ridiculous roster rules and player acquisition rules.

Dos Santos was happening whether TAM was became a thing or not. LAG had already come to an agreement to renegotiate Omar Gonzalez's deal to make space for Gio. Gonzalez was on board with the idea.


Outside of that, every large name DP you named was signed by a team that already had an Open DP slot. Something the Sounders do not. Again, MLS roster rules are a thing. it sucks. But we cant just go out and buy Dani Alves because we need a better starting LB.

Signing a DP, and hell a player in MLS in general, is quite a task for teams. There is the play "Discovery" process in the league which Bruce Arena has pretty much said is a big flustercluck. Essentially if you are thinking you may want to sign X player, you have to file a discovery claim with the league (yes, Drogba and Pirlo had discovery claims filed). Once that is done you can begin to negotiate with the player. The Sounders filed a Discovery claim on Valdez in 2012. Lord knows how long ago for Ivanschitz. Hell, Montreal didn't even have discovery rights for Drogba...they had to trade with Chicago to get them....

There are a lot of moving parts that need fall right to sign a player of that caliber.


As for Fredy Montero. Further "MLSing" would be required to get him. He would fall into the allocation order as a player returning to the league (we don't own his league rights). As such we would need to move to the top of the allocation order (like we did Dempsey) to get him.

You keep mentioning a lack of young talent on the squad, but we have talent and they are getting their minutes. Kovar and Roldan got the start tonight for instance.

I don't think it matters whether we knew about the players or not. I know of Valdez because I researched him when we were rumored to sign him a few seasons ago. I don't know of Ivanschitz...but I didn't know Christian Tiffert, Blaise NKufo, Mauro Rosales, Alvaro Fernandez or Fredy Montero until they got here either. I don't think its fair to hold the fact that the players are "unknown" by the fans thus meaning they can't be excited...

The signings will help fill areas of immediate need for the team. Ivanshitz will add depth to the outside midfield, and potentially could play in the middle a bit infront of Ozzie for us. He's not as fast as a player as I was hoping for, but his ability to deliver the ball to forwards is something we need. He also appears to know how to make a late run into the box from the midfield....We only have one CM on the roster who is capable of that type of run, and he is starting at CB.

Both players add goal scoring threats from players not named Clint Dempsey and Oba Martins which is exactly what we need. We need goals from more than 2 guys....cause when they are off, or hurt, we don't score.
 
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Hey, imagine that. Vancouver scores yet another goal against Seattle off a set piece. Given Seattle's complete inability to even threaten the goal, this match is over.
 

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Smurf":2i7y24i2 said:
Couple of things here. Si, this isn't the rest of the world. This is MLS. Welcome to a league with ridiculous roster rules and player acquisition rules.

Dos Santos was happening whether TAM was became a thing or not. LAG had already come to an agreement to renegotiate Omar Gonzalez's deal to make space for Gio. Gonzalez was on board with the idea.


Outside of that, every large name DP you named was signed by a team that already had an Open DP slot. Something the Sounders do not. Again, MLS roster rules are a thing. it sucks. But we cant just go out and buy Dani Alves because we need a better starting LB.

Signing a DP, and hell a player in MLS in general, is quite a task for teams. There is the play "Discovery" process in the league which Bruce Arena has pretty much said is a big flustercluck. Essentially if you are thinking you may want to sign X player, you have to file a discovery claim with the league (yes, Drogba and Pirlo had discovery claims filed). Once that is done you can begin to negotiate with the player. The Sounders filed a Discovery claim on Valdez in 2012. Lord knows how long ago for Ivanschitz. Hell, Montreal didn't even have discovery rights for Drogba...they had to trade with Chicago to get them....

There are a lot of moving parts that need fall right to sign a player of that caliber.


As for Fredy Montero. Further "MLSing" would be required to get him. He would fall into the allocation order as a player returning to the league (we don't own his league rights). As such we would need to move to the top of the allocation order (like we did Dempsey) to get him.

You keep mentioning a lack of young talent on the squad, but we have talent and they are getting their minutes. Kovar and Roldan got the start tonight for instance.

I don't think it matters whether we knew about the players or not. I know of Valdez because I researched him when we were rumored to sign him a few seasons ago. I don't know of Ivanschitz...but I didn't know Christian Tiffert, Blaise NKufo, Mauro Rosales, Alvaro Fernandez or Fredy Montero until they got here either. I don't think its fair to hold the fact that the players are "unknown" by the fans thus meaning they can't be excited...

The signings will help fill areas of immediate need for the team. Ivanshitz will add depth to the outside midfield, and potentially could play in the middle a bit infront of Ozzie for us. He's not as fast as a player as I was hoping for, but his ability to deliver the ball to forwards is something we need. He also appears to know how to make a late run into the box from the midfield....We only have one CM on the roster who is capable of that type of run, and he is starting at CB.

Both players add goal scoring threats from players not named Clint Dempsey and Oba Martins which is exactly what we need. We need goals from more than 2 guys....cause when they are off, or hurt, we don't score.

Jesus fan boy... Do you type out both sides your mouth as well?


Great signings. Liitle wiki search and some FIFA and off we go. Teams where it needs to be now and future.

Go team
 

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Uncle Si":yak36jyc said:
Jesus fan boy... Do you type out both sides your mouth as well?


Great signings. Liitle wiki search and some FIFA and off we go. Teams where it needs to be now and future.

Go team


Why you gotta go poking the bear Si? I was just trying to shed some light on the signings and why we didn't sign Robinho and Arjen Robben.

I know deep down you know that I care, and you love me for that....Just wish you would show it from time to time... :p
 

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Result on the road in the CCL. Good start. Scored a goal. Fresh blood coming in. Old blood back in the team on the weekend. Time to get the train back on the tracks.
 

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I felt like we were the better team in this one. Disappointed not to get three points. A win tonight would have put pressure on the Whitecaps and really tilted the group in our favor... oh well

Kovar looked pretty good. Still seems to have lapses of concentration. Maybe why we haven't seen him in the first team?
Azira may be the worst passer at CM, I've ever seen.
Andy f*cking Rose had a good night and looked surprisingly nimble.
Brad Evans presence is a sight for sore eyes, he's definitely got command of the back line and part of me wishes he was still in the midfield, the man has a hell of a long ball and good vision.
I hope the goal gives Neagle some confidence. He's been torn apart lately and honestly I don't think he's as bad as people have made him out to be.
 

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knownone":gc5q42ng said:
I felt like we were the better team in this one. Disappointed not to get three points. A win tonight would have put pressure on the Whitecaps and really tilted the group in our favor... oh well

Kovar looked pretty good. Still seems to have lapses of concentration. Maybe why we haven't seen him in the first team?
Azira may be the worst passer at CM, I've ever seen.
Andy f*cking Rose had a good night and looked surprisingly nimble.
Brad Evans presence is a sight for sore eyes, he's definitely got command of the back line and part of me wishes he was still in the midfield, the man has a hell of a long ball and good vision.
I hope the goal gives Neagle some confidence. He's been torn apart lately and honestly I don't think he's as bad as people have made him out to be.

He actually is pretty poor in finishing. Like Rose and headers.
 

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Smurf":1ekmp4qv said:
Uncle Si":1ekmp4qv said:
Jesus fan boy... Do you type out both sides your mouth as well?


Great signings. Liitle wiki search and some FIFA and off we go. Teams where it needs to be now and future.

Go team


Why you gotta go poking the bear Si? I was just trying to shed some light on the signings and why we didn't sign Robinho and Arjen Robben.

I know deep down you know that I care, and you love me for that....Just wish you would show it from time to time... :p

Look brother... i know you do, and i waited 24 hours for your reply. But that's why talking shop on here gets exhausting some times. The flaws of the team I outlined are predominantly harped on throughout the thread... then suddenly a post that somehow vilifies any such condemnations and suggests that there is nothing to worry about? Dear me.

I'm well aware this isn't "Europe". However, despite the geographic location of the league, It's not difficult to see the difference in reaction versus planning. It's not who wasn't signed. I don't care about DPs or former Euro stars. I made mention to show what teams are doing who want to challenge for a Cup (and market there name.. as earlier in this thread.. the Sounders name is not what you all believe it to be across the MLS) It's just very apparent that the organization does not have a long term or short term plan and are simply reacting instead of anticipating. Are they adding to a squad to make a run? The why two players who will only provide support to a team that probably wasn't good enough to finish it off anyways? If the long term is a priority (which it should be in my mind) why so little emphasis on finding younger players with talent. You tell me they have been offering some playing time to younger players. Yay... there are 10 field players 29+ on the roster, with 3 more 27+. It's not a young team. Compare that to Sporting (let's say, as their name appears in the upper left hand corner of my checks) who have just 2 players 30+, but 14 in the next tier.

Jones, Roldon and Fisher may (may) come good. Hope so. Some local products there. But what's in between them and the guys getting older? Azira? He may have got a game check from the Whitecaps last night. Andy Rose? I see Valdez and Ivanschitz as just perpetuating the same roster issues. To Glasgow's point, I don't want them to sign Drogba. I want them to sign Jordan Morris (and players of his ilk, of which there are many). Maybe its coming. Maybe its an MLS thing to not have young attacking players.

Maybe these are the transition years.


Anyways, that's my rant. Proceed with your daily business
 
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My biggest dream is that Seattle finds and signs a young, talented defensive-minded CB to pair with, and eventually replace, Marshall. My second biggest dream is that they find an attacking midfielder with pace who can consistently make accurate passes to the forwards.
 
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