Seahawks at Niners 11/11...

[Marvin49]

Marvin this will come down to will Pete play not to lose or allow Wilson to actually play and use all of his weapons, same for the defense, we can't allow those delayed sprint draws off tackle that your 49ers have had success with, Kittle out will limit some of those I imagine, but the open underneath stuff and YAC will be demoralizing if we don't start playing tighter say a 5 yard separation in zone versus that 10 or 15 yard drop they have been doing.

I mean, I get what you are saying, but I kinda refuse to believe that it all depends on what Pete does. I respect the man, but he won't be the only coach on the sidelines tonight.

IMO, Seattle will score, they will move the ball on the ground and they will have some success passing the ball.

....but I also think that the 49ers will have success in all those same areas...so who knows how it works out. I'll have my wife on standby to call 911 because I have a feeling I'm not gonna breathe for 3.5 hours.

The reason I say that is when we got behind right away against Tampa Pete allowed Schotty to open it up, he also gave Norton or called it himself the defense to go tighter and play Man as well. Both situations were better and paid dividends.

I mean, you could be right. Not discounting what you are saying...

...but there is this national narrative I've been seeing for almost 2 weeks now that like this game is all about Wilson. The 49ers are no more than the statistical obstacle that he will overcome to cement his role as the MVP. "Wilson won the game against the leagues best passing defense, he has to be the MVP".

Its like...jeez, should the Niners show up? Its crown Wilson day afterall.

I don't really get that here, so nobody take it that way, its more national media who have discounted the Niners every single week this season and now the UNDEFEATED 49ers are reduced to nothing more than the finish line in the Russell Wilson MVP show.

Its really annoying.

Seahawks have a great chance to win mind you, so perhaps the above is exactly what happens...but the narrative pregame is tiresome.

 

[knownone]

Lets be real here, most of us are arguing with strangers on the internet during work hours. HOUSE MONEY.

 

[Marvin49]

Lets be real here, most of us are arguing with strangers on the internet during work hours. HOUSE MONEY.

Truth.

 

[2_0_6]

Lets be real here, most of us are arguing with strangers on the internet during work hours. HOUSE MONEY.

I don't argue, I discuss why i am right.

 

[Maulbert]

Marvin this will come down to will Pete play not to lose or allow Wilson to actually play and use all of his weapons, same for the defense, we can't allow those delayed sprint draws off tackle that your 49ers have had success with, Kittle out will limit some of those I imagine, but the open underneath stuff and YAC will be demoralizing if we don't start playing tighter say a 5 yard separation in zone versus that 10 or 15 yard drop they have been doing.

I mean, I get what you are saying, but I kinda refuse to believe that it all depends on what Pete does. I respect the man, but he won't be the only coach on the sidelines tonight.

IMO, Seattle will score, they will move the ball on the ground and they will have some success passing the ball.

....but I also think that the 49ers will have success in all those same areas...so who knows how it works out. I'll have my wife on standby to call 911 because I have a feeling I'm not gonna breathe for 3.5 hours.

The reason I say that is when we got behind right away against Tampa Pete allowed Schotty to open it up, he also gave Norton or called it himself the defense to go tighter and play Man as well. Both situations were better and paid dividends.

I mean, you could be right. Not discounting what you are saying...

...but there is this national narrative I've been seeing for almost 2 weeks now that like this game is all about Wilson. The 49ers are no more than the statistical obstacle that he will overcome to cement his role as the MVP. "Wilson won the game against the leagues best passing defense, he has to be the MVP".

Its like...jeez, should the Niners show up? Its crown Wilson day afterall.

I don't really get that here, so nobody take it that way, its more national media who have discounted the Niners every single week this season and now the UNDEFEATED 49ers are reduced to nothing more than the finish line in the Russell Wilson MVP show.

Its really annoying.

Seahawks have a great chance to win mind you, so perhaps the above is exactly what happens...but the narrative pregame is tiresome.

Seriously, where have you been getting your headlines? The goddamned NFL Network forgot to put Wilson in the picture they tweeted out asking who was the MVP! A picture that included friggin' David Carr, Matt Stafford, and Kirk Cousins!

 

[knownone]

I think we're seeing two obnoxious narratives from the mainstream media.

1) Russell Wilson alone will win this game.

This one is tough because the narrative typically involves the Seahawk's losing unless Wilson plays at an all world level. I highlighted this in an earlier post, Wilson has pretty much played at that level all season, so it's really whether or not he can play at his current level vs the Niners.

What I don't like is that it undersells the Hawks offense. Like, hey media, the Seahawks offense is pretty fricken talented; it's not just Wilson out there playing Houdinini with scrubs.

Here's the honest narrative, the Seahawks MIGHT win if Wilson plays up to his current level against a great Niners defense. Why? Because they proved against the Saints that it doesn't matter how well Wilson plays, if the defense struggles to get off the field, and they give up TDs on special teams and/or turn the ball over, they will lose. This is a team game.

2) The Niners are clearly a better team; therefore, the Seahawks don't have a chance.

I don't like this narrative because it relies heavily on selection bias and the transitive property. A better record has no bearing on the outcome of future events. Just because the Niners blew out teams the Seahawks sneaked by, does not mean they will beat the Seahawks, or that they are a better team. There is quite literally no transfer in the data.

Here's the honest narrative, the Niners have proven they are the most consistent team in the league through 8 games; therefore, the Seahawks will have to match that level of consistency for 4 quarters to have any chance of winning. Why? Because the Niners have been in and won every game, so they've earned that level of respect. Seattle has not been as consistent, so there is reason to doubt whether they can do it against a great team for 4 quarters.

 

[Marvin49]

I mean, I get what you are saying, but I kinda refuse to believe that it all depends on what Pete does. I respect the man, but he won't be the only coach on the sidelines tonight.

IMO, Seattle will score, they will move the ball on the ground and they will have some success passing the ball.

....but I also think that the 49ers will have success in all those same areas...so who knows how it works out. I'll have my wife on standby to call 911 because I have a feeling I'm not gonna breathe for 3.5 hours.

The reason I say that is when we got behind right away against Tampa Pete allowed Schotty to open it up, he also gave Norton or called it himself the defense to go tighter and play Man as well. Both situations were better and paid dividends.

I mean, you could be right. Not discounting what you are saying...

...but there is this national narrative I've been seeing for almost 2 weeks now that like this game is all about Wilson. The 49ers are no more than the statistical obstacle that he will overcome to cement his role as the MVP. "Wilson won the game against the leagues best passing defense, he has to be the MVP".

Its like...jeez, should the Niners show up? Its crown Wilson day afterall.

I don't really get that here, so nobody take it that way, its more national media who have discounted the Niners every single week this season and now the UNDEFEATED 49ers are reduced to nothing more than the finish line in the Russell Wilson MVP show.

Its really annoying.

Seahawks have a great chance to win mind you, so perhaps the above is exactly what happens...but the narrative pregame is tiresome.

Seriously, where have you been getting your headlines? The goddamned NFL Network forgot to put Wilson in the picture they tweeted out asking who was the MVP! A picture that included friggin' David Carr, Matt Stafford, and Kirk Cousins!

LOL.

Youtube vids from NFL Network and ESPN...various hosts.

I think what we see is very much subject to perception. BTW, they also did a "Rookie of the Year" one of those without Bosa.

Go figure.

 

[Marvin49]

Soon....

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Nah the narrative is right. Seattle has two paths to victory: (1) Wilson continues to be Robo QB or (2) Bad Jimmy shows up and self-destructs, perhaps with help from a not-quite-ready Staley against Clowney (who has beaten him before).

And same thing for the 49ers: they either slow Wilson or Jimmy G plays like last week. And I’m of the opinion they need both to happen to win, due to the lack of Kittle, Kwon, Gould and Witherspoon.

 

[RolandDeschain]

2.5 hours to go.......COME ON CLOCK, MOVE FASTER!!

 

[Marvin49]

Nah the narrative is right. Seattle had two paths to victory: (1) Wilson continues to be Robo QB or (2) Bad Jimmy shows up and self-destructs, perhaps with help from a not-quite-ready Staley against Clowney (who has beaten him before).

My point is that the narrative never works in reverse....

....IE, what if the Niner Pass D dominates the way they have all year? Why isn't this a "best D" narrative? I don't expect that of course. I expect a close game.

Its splitting hairs honestly.

 

[Marvin49]

2.5 hours to go.......COME ON CLOCK, MOVE FASTER!!

This.

 

[Marvin49]

I think we're seeing two obnoxious narratives from the mainstream media.

1) Russell Wilson alone will win this game.

This one is tough because the narrative typically involves the Seahawk's losing unless Wilson plays at an all world level. I highlighted this in an earlier post, Wilson has pretty much played at that level all season, so it's really whether or not he can play at his current level vs the Niners.

What I don't like is that it undersells the Hawks offense. Like, hey media, the Seahawks offense is pretty fricken talented; it's not just Wilson out there playing Houdinini with scrubs.

Here's the honest narrative, the Seahawks MIGHT win if Wilson plays up to his current level against a great Niners defense. Why? Because they proved against the Saints that it doesn't matter how well Wilson plays, if the defense struggles to get off the field, and they give up TDs on special teams and/or turn the ball over, they will lose. This is a team game.

2) The Niners are clearly a better team; therefore, the Seahawks don't have a chance.

I don't like this narrative because it relies heavily on selection bias and the transitive property. A better record has no bearing on the outcome of future events. Just because the Niners blew out teams the Seahawks sneaked by, does not mean they will beat the Seahawks, or that they are a better team. There is quite literally no transfer in the data.

Here's the honest narrative, the Niners have proven they are the most consistent team in the league through 8 games; therefore, the Seahawks will have to match that level of consistency for 4 quarters to have any chance of winning. Why? Because the Niners have been in and won every game, so they've earned that level of respect. Seattle has not been as consistent, so there is reason to doubt whether they can do it against a great team for 4 quarters.

I don't aspire to either, and I know what you mean.

I remember hearing someone say today that it'll be a "one-man show" for Wilson.

Um no. Chris Carson scares the hell out of me. I've been impressed with that dude since his rookie year. I remember when he broke his ankle. Didn't seem to slow him much. LOL.

Now you got all three of those WRs? I don't like Metcalf as a Niner because he doesn't fit, but in Seattle? Thats a perfect fit.

....my heart is already racing. LOL.

 

[Maulbert]

The reason I say that is when we got behind right away against Tampa Pete allowed Schotty to open it up, he also gave Norton or called it himself the defense to go tighter and play Man as well. Both situations were better and paid dividends.

I mean, you could be right. Not discounting what you are saying...

...but there is this national narrative I've been seeing for almost 2 weeks now that like this game is all about Wilson. The 49ers are no more than the statistical obstacle that he will overcome to cement his role as the MVP. "Wilson won the game against the leagues best passing defense, he has to be the MVP".

Its like...jeez, should the Niners show up? Its crown Wilson day afterall.

I don't really get that here, so nobody take it that way, its more national media who have discounted the Niners every single week this season and now the UNDEFEATED 49ers are reduced to nothing more than the finish line in the Russell Wilson MVP show.

Its really annoying.

Seahawks have a great chance to win mind you, so perhaps the above is exactly what happens...but the narrative pregame is tiresome.

Seriously, where have you been getting your headlines? The goddamned NFL Network forgot to put Wilson in the picture they tweeted out asking who was the MVP! A picture that included friggin' David Carr, Matt Stafford, and Kirk Cousins!

LOL.

Youtube vids from NFL Network and ESPN...various hosts.

I think what we see is very much subject to perception. BTW, they also did a "Rookie of the Year" one of those without Bosa.

Go figure.

Considering the NFL has separate awards for offensive and defensive ROYs, are you certain it wasn't about OROY? Also, I can't find such a tweet at all, and the MVP tweet was 4 days ago.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I think we're seeing two obnoxious narratives from the mainstream media.

1) Russell Wilson alone will win this game.

This one is tough because the narrative typically involves the Seahawk's losing unless Wilson plays at an all world level. I highlighted this in an earlier post, Wilson has pretty much played at that level all season, so it's really whether or not he can play at his current level vs the Niners.

What I don't like is that it undersells the Hawks offense. Like, hey media, the Seahawks offense is pretty fricken talented; it's not just Wilson out there playing Houdinini with scrubs.

Here's the honest narrative, the Seahawks MIGHT win if Wilson plays up to his current level against a great Niners defense. Why? Because they proved against the Saints that it doesn't matter how well Wilson plays, if the defense struggles to get off the field, and they give up TDs on special teams and/or turn the ball over, they will lose. This is a team game.

2) The Niners are clearly a better team; therefore, the Seahawks don't have a chance.

I don't like this narrative because it relies heavily on selection bias and the transitive property. A better record has no bearing on the outcome of future events. Just because the Niners blew out teams the Seahawks sneaked by, does not mean they will beat the Seahawks, or that they are a better team. There is quite literally no transfer in the data.

Here's the honest narrative, the Niners have proven they are the most consistent team in the league through 8 games; therefore, the Seahawks will have to match that level of consistency for 4 quarters to have any chance of winning. Why? Because the Niners have been in and won every game, so they've earned that level of respect. Seattle has not been as consistent, so there is reason to doubt whether they can do it against a great team for 4 quarters.

It 's both a game of individuals and a team sport.

Just now, the 9ers activated Celek off PUP and released a backup CB--portending maybe that Witherspoon is returning this week, possibly in a rotational with Moseley to shake off the rust. Formidable secondary.

Celek prior to injury was a dependable pass-catcher. Will be interesting to see how they use him. I'd be surprised if Juice moves to tight end though.

Where Shan can scheme the least is with the FG unit. That new individual hasn't had enough reps w/the holder and snapper to figure out if it's a "fit" or not. No one knows until he's out there. As we saw Sunday, teams often have to end up depending on the FG unit, which can go either way. Younghoe Koo was a kicker in the AAF, he got released from Patriots practice squad, and he put up 14 points for them.

 

[RolandDeschain]

....my heart is already racing. LOL.

You need to start your pregame drinking already, Marvin.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

2.5 hours to go.......COME ON CLOCK, MOVE FASTER!!

This.

So much this.

 

[kidhawk]

FYI, Nothing official right now, but looks like Kittle won't play.

Sigh.

Official now, Kittle is inactive tonight

 

[Maulbert]

FYI, Nothing official right now, but looks like Kittle won't play.

Sigh.

Official now, Kittle is inactive tonight

I didn't believe it until now.

That is HUGE.

 

[Washington49er]

I mean, I get what you are saying, but I kinda refuse to believe that it all depends on what Pete does. I respect the man, but he won't be the only coach on the sidelines tonight.

IMO, Seattle will score, they will move the ball on the ground and they will have some success passing the ball.

....but I also think that the 49ers will have success in all those same areas...so who knows how it works out. I'll have my wife on standby to call 911 because I have a feeling I'm not gonna breathe for 3.5 hours.

The reason I say that is when we got behind right away against Tampa Pete allowed Schotty to open it up, he also gave Norton or called it himself the defense to go tighter and play Man as well. Both situations were better and paid dividends.

I mean, you could be right. Not discounting what you are saying...

...but there is this national narrative I've been seeing for almost 2 weeks now that like this game is all about Wilson. The 49ers are no more than the statistical obstacle that he will overcome to cement his role as the MVP. "Wilson won the game against the leagues best passing defense, he has to be the MVP".

Its like...jeez, should the Niners show up? Its crown Wilson day afterall.

I don't really get that here, so nobody take it that way, its more national media who have discounted the Niners every single week this season and now the UNDEFEATED 49ers are reduced to nothing more than the finish line in the Russell Wilson MVP show.

Its really annoying.

Seahawks have a great chance to win mind you, so perhaps the above is exactly what happens...but the narrative pregame is tiresome.

Seriously, where have you been getting your headlines? The goddamned NFL Network forgot to put Wilson in the picture they tweeted out asking who was the MVP! A picture that included friggin' David Carr, Matt Stafford, and Kirk Cousins!

Lamar Jackson is the new golden boy MVP candidate. Unless the wheels fall off the Baltimore bus before playoffs he will continue to be. Come playoff time that will change when they play the Patriots again, except this time BB will have a plan for Jackson.

In the meantime don't be surprised if RW isn't getting as much MVP talk.