Sam

[JPatera76]

do yall ever get tired of moving goal posts? lol cuz its phucking tiring reading it

 

[GeekHawk]

Okay...deep breath here...WHY IN THE EFFING HELL DIDN'T WE RUN THE EFFING BALL ON FIRST AND GOAL FROM THE ONE???? I was beside myself back then...

Hopefully Kubiak got that shit out of his system in this game, rather than waiting for the last offensive play in the Super Bowl.

 

[Hawkerson]

The challenge with building with Darnold will be that he will ALWAYS need an elite defense and running game to succeed. That should sound familiar to everyone who was a fan during the PC years.

So Darnold is as good as his defense and running game permit him to be, which is a challenge, because if he succeeds and puts up top 7 numbers, it's not necessarily because he is worthy of a top 7 salary. And if you make the mistake of paying him as such, you run the risk drawing dollars away from the side of the ball or aspect of the team that TRULY makes things go.

We have been in a similar spot with RW - a QB with incredible talent who was undeniable skilled at certain things, and unquestionably flawed in executing aspects of the position that were necessary for him to warrant top compensation.

Darnold without the Dark Side level defense and Walkernet is similar to Russ without the LOB and Lynch.

It's fine while we can pay everyone, but if we make the mistake of paying Darnold based on what the total sum of the team makes him SEEM to be, we cut our own legs out from under us.

Assuming he doesn't grow at the position, Sam is a very sturdy and reliable bridge to the future that we can mikely rely on for the next 3 or 4 years - or whatever length of time we can keep the team around him operating at an elite level

Let me guess: You were unhappy that Seattle won that Superbowl with Wilson, huh?

 

[glenwo2]

Yeah.. its pretty common it feels like or has become more and more common. Especially when its players that fans don't like. And don't like usually equates to a player THEY DID LIKE didnt get signed or drafted.

the last part in bold... they eventually tilt their hand are shown the door. We try and stay on it. If they're respectful, whatever. If not bye bye.

I was going to ask you if you think Biscanebay12 is actually a Niners fan in Seahawks clothing......then Keasley comes in basically being worried about a contract that won't affect Schneider's ability to improve the team.

Are you serious, @keasley45 ?

Here let me repeat what I told the guy you responded to :

And besides, isn't the Cap going up every year?

Last I checked the base cap is going up around $295-$307 million this year; a jump from the 2025 cap of around 279 million.

So if Schneider decides to give Sam a goddamn raise, bonus, or whatever (even an extension), then give him the money and term. It won't be an albatross by ANY means.

If you think it would be, then that's just your opinion, man.

I'll leave the contract stuff to the professionals and that ain't people here on NET.

 

[glenwo2]

Even if JS gives Sam an extension that pays him 40-45 million per, that's STILL going to be way below what even the upper-tier QBs make.

And I doubt it would affect JS's ability to improve the team in any way, shape, or form.

This is just looking for shit to complain about here.

 

[keasley45]

I was going to ask you if you think Biscanebay12 is actually a Niners fan in Seahawks clothing......then Keasley comes in basically being worried about a contract that won't affect Schneider's ability to improve the team.

Are you serious, @keasley45 ?

Here let me repeat what I told the guy you responded to :

And besides, isn't the Cap going up every year?

Last I checked the base cap is going up around $295-$307 million this year; a jump from the 2025 cap of around 279 million.

So if Schneider decides to give Sam a goddamn raise, bonus, or whatever (even an extension), then give him the money and term. It won't be an albatross by ANY means.

If you think it would be, then that's just your opinion, man.

I'll leave the contract stuff to the professionals and that ain't people here on NET.

The cap goes up every year and the salaries increase as well. It's not like players aren't getting paid more and teams just have extra cash to throw around.

I don't get what is controversial about this. If this team didn't have an elite defense and running game, we wouldn't be where we are. Since defenses changed their approach mid season, Sam has thrown 9 TDs and 9 INTs.

He has 20TOs. That's league leading, despite having a solid OC, solid line, elite defense, a solid backfield, and the best WR in the game.

How good do you think he would be on a team with average play at any of those areas?

I am thankful we have him right now. But I can't put on rose colored glasses and pretend HE can be the difference make on a team with less talent.

 

[Bobblehead]

I just want to ask one thing to the Darnold doubters: What now?

hit the open receiver?

 

[Natethegreat]

The cap goes up every year and the salaries increase as well. It's not like players aren't getting paid more and teams just have extra cash to throw around.

I don't get what is controversial about this. If this team didn't have an elite defense and running game, we wouldn't be where we are. Since defenses changed their approach mid season, Sam has thrown 9 TDs and 9 INTs.

He has 20TOs. That's league leading, despite having a solid OC, solid line, elite defense, a solid backfield, and the best WR in the game.

How good do you think he would be on a team with average play at any of those areas?

I am thankful we have him right now. But I can't put on rose colored glasses and pretend HE can be the difference make on a team with less talent.

Remind me Keasley what was the Vikings record last year compared to this year's record?
I was told his success was only because of his WR'S.
Seems like JSN made a huge leap this year. Think Sam had any part in that?

You can make the argument about being overpaid with a lot of QB's. Shoot Patrick Mahomes has needed a great D to win as well.
He hasn't been single handedly winning either. No one can.
Appreciate the fact that he led us to 14 wins and only 3 losses. No he isn't perfect, neither are you and neither am I.

 

[BobbySwagner]

You're hilarious, Darnold is Geno with red hair and freckles. Only thing keeping the Hawks where they are is the D and the kicker.

Darnold was 14-2 last year, how did he do under pressure in the playoffs?

If Darnold wins a playoff game I will, give him props. But until then he is still a backup QB that chokes under pressure.

And don't label tonight's game as a "pressure game" Darnold was never under pressure the D kept him on the field and still only managed 1 TD and 2 FGs.

HAHAHAHA good lord go watch some raiders games from this year. They’re so far from the same. The O did a nice job keeping the ball, extending drives and killing clock. They could’ve scored more, but I think you’re being a bit dramatic.

 

[glenwo2]

The cap goes up every year and the salaries increase as well. It's not like players aren't getting paid more and teams just have extra cash to throw around.

I don't get what is controversial about this. If this team didn't have an elite defense and running game, we wouldn't be where we are. Since defenses changed their approach mid season, Sam has thrown 9 TDs and 9 INTs.

He has 20TOs. That's league leading, despite having a solid OC, solid line, elite defense, a solid backfield, and the best WR in the game.

How good do you think he would be on a team with average play at any of those areas?

I am thankful we have him right now. But I can't put on rose colored glasses and pretend HE can be the difference make on a team with less talent.

So you're doing "What if" scenarios now....

How about focus on the fact that he's NOT on a team with Average play?

That he's NOT on a team with less talent?

Why are you doing this?

I don't understand.

It's not rose-colored glasses to say that he's played well for us this season despite his turnover issues. (and he HAS played well for us)

Nor is it rose-colored glasses to say that he CAN be the difference maker in an offense that's predicated on the Running attack and Defense which is what the original plan was supposed to be when the Hawks first acquired him.

In fact, that would increase his odds of being the difference when he can now PICK HIS SPOTS to make big throws instead of attempting big throws every time.

 

[warden]

You're hilarious, Darnold is Geno with red hair and freckles. Only thing keeping the Hawks where they are is the D and the kicker.

Darnold was 14-2 last year, how did he do under pressure in the playoffs?

If Darnold wins a playoff game I will, give him props. But until then he is still a backup QB that chokes under pressure.

And don't label tonight's game as a "pressure game" Darnold was never under pressure the D kept him on the field and still only managed 1 TD and 2 FGs.

How did Purdy do under pressure

 

[glenwo2]

hit the open receiver?

You mean the one where he hesitated, then knew he lost his opportunity and as a result had to take a sack as a result?

 

[MontanaHawk05]

You're hilarious, Darnold is Geno with red hair and frfreckles.

And considerably more professionalism, it should be said.

 

[warden]

Earnest Jones when he said it so eloquently in his presser after the loss to the Rams, this is exactly how I feel about Sam

 

[bileever]

I think @Biscanebay12, @keasley45 and @glenwo2 all have valid points. They seem to agree about the fundamental facts and their disagreements are fairly subtle and nuanced, except that they think they're miles apart.

I am in the Sam-is-good-enough camp, and I don't put all the failings of the offense on him. Despite last night, the offensive line is still poor, and he could use another really good receiver besides JSN. We thought it might be Arroyo or Horton, but that hasn't worked out.

Last night's performance by Sam was masterful. He was sharp and decisive, for the most part. He made clutch throws, kept the chains moving. He didn't make many terrible decisions and his passes were crisp and on time. Obviously would have liked to have had more than 13 points, but again, not all on him. Myers missed two FGs and they shouldn't have gone for it on the first drive. There's 9 points right there.

This preoccupation with "elite" quarterbacks is a bit misguided. There's only a couple of them. And unless you're super lucky, you're not getting one. And Mahomes and Burrow aren't in the playoffs. Mahomes completed 62% of his passes this year and had 22 TDs vs. 11 interceptions. That's what an elite QB looks like when the rest of your team is crap.

And it's okay to love a player who isn't elite. I'm a total convert on Sam Darnold, love his game, warts and all.

 

[jammerhawk]

Not elite?

Are you another of those the Hawks are good BUT you can’t count on Darnold guys?

14-3 says the BUTS are just the long held biases against a QB who has just taken longer to mature into his role.

He has grown since last year and is growing still game after game.

When the crunch was on he’s now won two key games and is improving his ball security.

Sam got it done and is still getting it done. He’s OUR QB. We are lucky to have him.

 

[BeaHUman]

I updated my avatar with a character I put a helmet on a couple of years ago, Prophetic?

 

[bileever]

Case in point (courtesy of me) :

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[Bobblehead]

You mean the one where he hesitated, then knew he lost his opportunity and as a result had to take a sack as a result?

and where Charbs was completely open for a td in the opening drive.

 

[Jac]

The Vikings forum is sad today after yesterday's game:

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Do you wonder which former Vikings are still playing and where? Well, wonder no more! Here's a colorful listing of where all former Vikings since 2016 have landed, and where they currently might be.

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A sample comment:

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Yep, with their defense and running back, they could have very well been competing for the #1 seed today with Darnold.