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How did Purdy do under pressure
Talking about Darnold but you asked the question so I will answer with a question. How many playoff wins does Darnold have compared to Purdy?

9ers were 1 int away from making it a game. A Darnold led offense with best D in the league giving him opportunity after opportunity scored 13 points against a team with no D.

I don't give a phuck what you think about my opinion. When Darnold proves himself and proves me wrong I will be back here to own it. Until then I'm not impressed.
 

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HAHAHAHA good lord go watch some raiders games from this year. They’re so far from the same. The O did a nice job keeping the ball, extending drives and killing clock. They could’ve scored more, but I think you’re being a bit dramatic.
Could've but weren't able to, thanks for proving my point
 

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If those things had happened, the nuance of the game changes, and offensively we’d have made different choices

We moved the ball at will. I have no doubt Seattle would have put more points up if needed
A lot of you keep saying that. "Put up more points if needed" You completely ignore the fact that they did try and failed, my point exactly.

I guess we'll see here soon.
 

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The Vikings offered him a contract that was similar to Seattle's offer. It was just a one-year commitment though because they eventually wanted to get their first rounder on the field. Seattle's offer was multi-year. The narrative that the Vikings wanted to get rid of Darnold is false.
Whatever makes you feel better
 

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So you're doing "What if" scenarios now....

How about focus on the fact that he's NOT on a team with Average play?

That he's NOT on a team with less talent?

Why are you doing this?

I don't understand.

It's not rose-colored glasses to say that he's played well for us this season despite his turnover issues. (and he HAS played well for us)

Nor is it rose-colored glasses to say that he CAN be the difference maker in an offense that's predicated on the Running attack and Defense which is what the original plan was supposed to be when the Hawks first acquired him.

In fact, that would increase his odds of being the difference when he can now PICK HIS SPOTS to make big throws instead of attempting big throws every time.
Bro. It's not what if. It's what is. I am not dealing in speculation.

Since when is it wrong to respond to someone else's post or talk about a player if you aren't just waxing poetic about how great he is.

And I said UNLESS he grows into something more, he will be a product of the defense and how well it can cover for errors.

As to whether he ever becomes elite? Hasselbeck wasnt elite. I loved him and still do. Kreig wasn't elite and he is one of my favorite QBs of all time. I would never have advocated the FO pay either as though they were top 8. 10 to 12? Sure. Why? Be ause I want the team to win. If the QB is hands down the reason we are in games, that's one thing. Leading the league in TOs isn't that.

Sam's play is enough to win now with the team we have now. If he was enough on his own to beat basic cover 2, light boxes, or enough to avoid throwing careless interceptions despite having a solid offense and all around supporting cast... constantly, he would have shown it. He has everything a QB could want to NOT lead the league in INTa and he is doing it anyway. He hasn't. Yet.

That's not to say he can't be better, it's to say he hasnt addressed some things. And if he doesn't, he shouldn't be paid as if he can, just because the rest of the team covers for his deficiencies.

The criticism isn't even JUST about 'big games ' as much as it is figuring out given looks and defensive strategy. 14 of his 20 INTs came in non- 'big games' / 'big moments'. When the box was stacked and there were opportunities for him to push the ball down field, things looked great. When teams committed less to stopping the run and took away what he likes, he became the league leader in TOs. That's fact.

And I am perfectly fine appreciating Sam for what he is and am thankful he has done what he has this year to help to get us where we are. I am not going to look at last night's game against a poor defense and think to myself 'we are good to go moving forward' because Sam has made some leap and evolved into a QB worth being awarded money that will take away from the team's ability to actually protect it from his mistakes.

This isn't an indictment of Sam Darnold. I am a fan of the Seahawks and happy as F they are wear they are right now.

I also want them to stay there and not make the .mistake they made 8 years ago when it comes time to make a financial decision about the QB. I was responding to a post about that. I didn't create a thread to start a conversation about his value.

Hopefully he improves and everyone feels he is worth whatever investment we make on him.
 

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The challenge with building with Darnold will be that he will ALWAYS need an elite defense and running game to succeed. That should sound familiar to everyone who was a fan during the PC years.

So Darnold is as good as his defense and running game permit him to be, which is a challenge, because if he succeeds and puts up top 7 numbers, it's not necessarily because he is worthy of a top 7 salary. And if you make the mistake of paying him as such, you run the risk drawing dollars away from the side of the ball or aspect of the team that TRULY makes things go.

We have been in a similar spot with RW - a QB with incredible talent who was undeniable skilled at certain things, and unquestionably flawed in executing aspects of the position that were necessary for him to warrant top compensation.

Darnold without the Dark Side level defense and Walkernet is similar to Russ without the LOB and Lynch.

It's fine while we can pay everyone, but if we make the mistake of paying Darnold based on what the total sum of the team makes him SEEM to be, we cut our own legs out from under us.

Assuming he doesn't grow at the position, Sam is a very sturdy and reliable bridge to the future that we can mikely rely on for the next 3 or 4 years - or whatever length of time we can keep the team around him operating at an elite level
Sam is who he is but the expectation with MM and the defence is that it will always be elite under him. If the running game keeps ticking then all he needs to do is game manage and make the odd play when needed. The ask isnt for him to carry the team and we aren't supposed to be built that way. I think he is capable of it, the first half of the season shows that but it also comes with the turnover risk.

It's worked before with the eagles and hurts, Broncos with a washed manning and the 49ers with garropolo (albeit they choked away the lead in the super bowl). Game manage and make the odd play.
 
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Let me guess: You were unhappy that Seattle won that Superbowl with Wilson, huh?

I seriously don't understand how people aren't capable of distinguishing objective criticism from an overall feeling over overF*cking joy the team you root for is doing well.

For the record, I cried when the Hawks won the Superbowl. And I was underwhelmed in 2019 when we overpaid a QB who by that time had proven incapable of beating basic defenses. BECAUSE PAYING HIM KEPT US FROM ACTUALLY RECREATING THE FORMULA THAT BROUGHT US THAT SB IN THE FIRST PLACE.

See how that works?
 

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A lot of you keep saying that. "Put up more points if needed" You completely ignore the fact that they did try and failed, my point exactly.

I guess we'll see here soon.
You flat out WANT them to lose so you can tell everyone "See, I told you!!"

How absolutely pathetic.
 

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A lot of you keep saying that. "Put up more points if needed" You completely ignore the fact that they did try and failed, my point exactly.

I guess we'll see here soon.

We were second in the NFL in scoring

We moved the ball at will but often (appropriately) chose to milk clock and play it safe over trying explosive risky clock stopping plays. Especially in the 2nd half.

So yeah, I’m confident the offense can score if needed
 

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IIRC, Sam is in the first year of a 3 year deal. Why is anybody worried about a "raise" next season. Likelihood of that happening is pretty low IMO. It's been a succesful year so far, and should be much better should we advance in the playoffs. Y'all go on arguing about this and that. I don't see anybody else starting at QB for us next year. 🤷‍♂️
 

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IIRC, Sam is in the first year of a 3 year deal. Why is anybody worried about a "raise" next season. Likelihood of that happening is pretty low IMO. It's been a succesful year so far, and should be much better should we advance in the playoffs. Y'all go on arguing about this and that. I don't see anybody else starting at QB for us next year. 🤷‍♂️
Neither do I. Sam's earned the starter spot in '26 regardless of whether he wins in the playoffs, and that would probably be true even if we drafted someone next year. Which we won't, because this class is terrrrible.
 

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