Russell Wilson sets deadline for new contract

[John63]

Brady is a bargain QB tbh. Well, he's a great QB, but the thing is he also isn't paid like the other top guys. His salary last year wasn't even top 10. Brady was the 11th highest paid QB in the NFL.

In 2017 Brady was the 20th highest paid QB

In 2016 Brady was the 18th highest paid QB

in 2014 Brady was the 12th highest paid QB

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2017/

Russell Wilson 2017 - 18th | Brady - 20th ( -600K difference, that is it.).

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2018/

Russell Wilson 2018 - 8th | Brady - 11th (-1.7M difference).

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2019/

Russell Wilson 2019 - 6th | Brady - 4th (+2.7M difference).


In the last 3 years avg. the Seahawks & Patriots have had their Franchise QBs account the same against the cap. In a rolling cap. The Patriots have actually spent a little more by, a measly (300k).

This whole, Brady takes less is comical. Technically, he hasn't taken less than Russell Wilson over the last 3 years avg wise.

They way you guys kiss Tom Brady's feet, you should keep that same energy for Wilson.

I mean he is coming in cap wise just under him, basically the same, but technically Wilson is cheaper.

Add 15 & 16 you say ?

'16 -4.8M
'15 +7M

So over the course of Wilson's 2nd contract The Seahawks have had Wilson count less than Tom Brady by $2.5M against their salary cap.

15 +7M
16 -4.8M
17 -600K
18 -1.7M
19 +2.7M

If we're talking about who has taken less to help their team win, it is actually Wilson, more so than Brady.

You guys better come up with a new narrative, because this one has been debunked. Or do you want me to account for Wilson's rookie wage scale numbers, versus when Tom Brady was still getting paid Franchise QB money?

The Seahawks problems and/or lack of Championships have stemmed, not from paying Wilson these last few years.

But two things.

1. Tom Cable

2. Pete Carroll refusing to have a top level offensive mind coach the offense, and have Pete focusing on the defense.

But blaming the QB getting paid is much easier. Even if he comes in cheaper than Brady, while you guys are simultaneasly praising Brady for his low cap numbers, that your paid QB comes in less than over a 5 yr avg. :2thumbs:

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[jmahon316]

Do you guys consider Russell Wilson to be the best QB in the league right now? Because as it stands, he's looking to be paid like the best. I feel like that's under consideration right now.

 

[A.D.I.D.A.S.]

Do you guys consider Russell Wilson to be the best QB in the league right now? Because as it stands, he's looking to be paid like the best. I feel like that's under consideration right now.

The problem isn't Russell Wilson. The problem is he doesn't have any weapons on offense that scare anybody/keep DC up at night.

 

[Uncle Si]

Do you guys consider Russell Wilson to be the best QB in the league right now? Because as it stands, he's looking to be paid like the best. I feel like that's under consideration right now.

He will be the top paid QB in the league. But only temporarily.

The question is whether he is top 5 in the league.

I think he is.

 

[lukerguy]

There are so many factors in this conversation that it's impossible to say either A) You should sign him or B) you should trade him.

My preference would be to sign him if he's reasonable and wants to stay in Seattle. By reasonable, I mean, a long term deal around where Rodgers signed.. aka highest paid QB in the league.

However, if Russ either wants 10% more than Rodgers or really doesn't intend to stay in Seattle long term, then you HAVE HAVE HAVE to trade him now before you get into a year by year franchise tag basis where you either lose him for a potential comp pick or pay him well above a point where you cannot put together a championship roster.

It's not implausible that the Hawks COULD do better trading him for 2/3 1sts, unlikely but not overly far fetched. JS has an eye for QB talent (was apparently in love with Mahomes and WIlson- not a bad record). With the hawks running the ball so much and a lack of top defensive talent, it could make sense.

Ideal scenario 1: Wilson signs long term deal, way past potential new CBA at contract around the tops in the league. By year 3/4 his contract should be a "bargain" (I use that word loosely)

Next best reasonable scenario: They trade Wilson at the draft or before for multiple 1sts.

Worst case scenario: He doesn't sign this season.

That's right, I'd much rather for the sake of the franchise, get huge value then play the risk of losing him for nothing. if he doesn't sign now, I doubt he really is motivated to sign in the future unless he's grossly overpaid.

My thoughts. thanks for reading,
LW

 

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GREAT POST SPOT ON AND you should have added a MIC DROP!!!!!

 

[Spin Doctor]

Brady is a bargain QB tbh. Well, he's a great QB, but the thing is he also isn't paid like the other top guys. His salary last year wasn't even top 10. Brady was the 11th highest paid QB in the NFL.

In 2017 Brady was the 20th highest paid QB

In 2016 Brady was the 18th highest paid QB

in 2014 Brady was the 12th highest paid QB

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2017/

Russell Wilson 2017 - 18th | Brady - 20th ( -600K difference, that is it.).

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2018/

Russell Wilson 2018 - 8th | Brady - 11th (-1.7M difference).

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2019/

Russell Wilson 2019 - 6th | Brady - 4th (+2.7M difference).


In the last 3 years avg. the Seahawks & Patriots have had their Franchise QBs account the same against the cap. In a rolling cap. The Patriots have actually spent a little more by, a measly (300k).

This whole, Brady takes less is comical. Technically, he hasn't taken less than Russell Wilson over the last 3 years avg wise.

They way you guys kiss Tom Brady's feet, you should keep that same energy for Wilson.

I mean he is coming in cap wise just under him, basically the same, but technically Wilson is cheaper.

Add 15 & 16 you say ?

'16 -4.8M
'15 +7M

So over the course of Wilson's 2nd contract The Seahawks have had Wilson count less than Tom Brady by $2.5M against their salary cap.

15 +7M
16 -4.8M
17 -600K
18 -1.7M
19 +2.7M

If we're talking about who has taken less to help their team win, it is actually Wilson, more so than Brady.

You guys better come up with a new narrative, because this one has been debunked. Or do you want me to account for Wilson's rookie wage scale numbers, versus when Tom Brady was still getting paid Franchise QB money?

The Seahawks problems and/or lack of Championships have stemmed, not from paying Wilson these last few years.

But two things.

1. Tom Cable

2. Pete Carroll refusing to have a top level offensive mind coach the offense, and have Pete focusing on the defense.

But blaming the QB getting paid is much easier. Even if he comes in cheaper than Brady, while you guys are simultaneasly praising Brady for his low cap numbers, that your paid QB comes in less than over a 5 yr avg. :2thumbs:

I was just stating that Brady was a bargain at the QB position, that is not wrong, no? Even this data you just posted, since Brady was re-upped in 2016 he has earned a total 9.8 million less than Wilson has thus far. This is also including hitting performance incentives for going to the SuperBowl and such.

Another thing to take into consideration is that in 2015 Russell was still playing out the last year of his rookie contract. He got a signing bonus but his base salary was still only 700k. In 2016 that base salary ballooned to 12 million along with the a similar 6 million dollar signing bonus once his old contract was up. Really his second contract begun in 2016: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-sea ... lson-9885/

Wilson was signed to a pretty good deal IMO compared to a lot of the other QB's. Even still Brady got even less than Wilson did over that duration. Both Brady's and Wilson's new contract begun in 2016, and Brady was a QB that was just coming off of a SuperBowl win a year ago, plus a QB that had two MVP's and a long history of being productive under his belt with no signs of slowing down. He could have demanded to be the top paid QB in the NFL, but he didn't do that. It is pretty clear that Brady was taking a pay cut. Despite Wilson being signed to a relatively team friendly contract, Brady still earned 9.8 million dollars less than Wilson did since both of their contract extensions begun in 2016 (not including 2019).

Now, if you compare Brady to someone like Rodgers, or perhaps Matt Ryan, Flacco, etc you'd see that the disparity grew even larger. For example in 2016 Eli Manning was the highest paid QB and there was around a 10 million dollar differential between Brady, and Manning for just that one season. In the next season, Brady was making 10 million dollars less than Flacco, the highest paid QB. Wilson, too was making far less than those guys, but the contrast was even steeper between Brady and the top paid players.

In fact, the last year Tom Brady was even in the top 10 salary range for QB's was way back in 2013. That year he was the 5th highest paid QB. The year before in 2012 he was the 16th highest paid QB, in 2011 he was once again in the top 10 sitting at number 8, and he was top five once again in 2010.

So, since 2010 he has only been in the top 10 highest paid QBs list three times, all of those coming at the beginning of the decade (2010, 2011, 2013). Since 2013 he has not even touched the top 10 salary list for Quarterbacks, and he has signed three separate contracts, and has probably had just as many contract restructures since then. Before 2010 Brady was consistently in the top 5 highest paid QB's. With this data I think it is pretty cut and dry that Brady has given his team a substantial discount over the years compared to what he could be garnering. Now, in 2019 he is once again going to be a top 5 paid QB. So, for the entirety of the 2010's he has been only reached top 10 status four times including this upcoming season.

Wilson also signed a contract friendly, bargain contract, but in my previous statement I was talking about how Brady was a bargain compared to what most of the league is paying for their QB's, and that has been the truth in the 2010s, especially in the later half where he hasn't even reached top 10 pay status, and had disparities of 10 million or greater in salary between the top QBs since 2013, despite being up for contract renegotiation twice in that five year duration from 2013 - 2018.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Do you guys consider Russell Wilson to be the best QB in the league right now? Because as it stands, he's looking to be paid like the best. I feel like that's under consideration right now.

If you look at the history of contracts, especially QB contracts............they have very little to do with being the "best" at the time it happens.

Here's the list of the top 10 QB salaries right now;

Aaron Rodgers $134,000,000 / $33,500,000
Matt Ryan $150,000,000 / $30,000,000
Kirk Cousins $84,000,000 / $28,000,000
Jimmy Garoppolo $137,500,000 / $27,500,000
Matt Stafford $135,000,000 / $27,000,000
Derek Carr $125,025,000 / $25,005,000
Drew Brees $50,000,000 /$25,000,000
Andrew Luck $122,970,000 / $24,594,000
Alex Smith $94,000,000 / $23,500,000
Joe Flacco $66,400,000 / $22,133,333
Nick Foles $88,000,000 / $22,000,000

Are these the best QB's in the league right now? Nope, most are barely in the top 15.

Unfortunately QB's and their agents know they have all the leverage in the world because they know they play the most important position in sports, and they can demand more than the last guy got.

It's next man up, and Russell's next man up. That's it. Talent is important, but being the "best" has little to do with it.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

It depends on how you define top tier. Brady for instance, was statistically a fringe top 10 QB for his first 3 Super Bowls and his last Super Bowl. If you look at the league since 2000, 12 of the 18 Super Bowl winning QBs were outside the top 7 in just about every significant passing category. Brady also skews the financial part of the equation. 15 of those Super Bowl winning QBs weren't even in the top 5 in pay.

I'm struggling with this issue. The data shows that a good QB on a great contract is how you win a Super Bowl. Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, have all failed to even make a Super Bowl after being paid. However, except for Brees, all of them have consistently elevated the floor of their franchise after signing that contract.

This ties into the Peyton Manning vs Brady debate in some respect. Manning was far and away the best QB for most of their respective careers, but he also got paid near the top of the league in all of those years while Brady hovered in and out of the top 10. Brady has only won 1 Super Bowl in the 6 season where he's being paid in the top 5 at this position, he did however make 3, and one of those seasons his team went undefeated lol...

Ultimately this question comes down to expectations. Trading Wilson gives you the best odds of going on another dynastic run while also attaching a significant risk to the franchise's floor if you miss on his replacement. Paying Wilson top 5 money maintains status quo but limits your ability to be a legitimate threat to win it all every season.

I see you have been getting some hassle from other posters but to me this calls it perfectly. The last paragraph especially.

As for other comments here it's a well and good saying that Brady and Wilson's cap hits are similar but after this year if they resign Wilson the difference will be huge.

In all honesty I'm leaning towards trading him, I feel that Wilson cares more about money than he does winning. As a HUGE RW3 fan it pains me to say that. It's Earl Thomas all over again except Wilson is less honest.

Trade him and let someone else deal with the huge cap hit and drama.

 

[Seymour]

It depends on how you define top tier. Brady for instance, was statistically a fringe top 10 QB for his first 3 Super Bowls and his last Super Bowl. If you look at the league since 2000, 12 of the 18 Super Bowl winning QBs were outside the top 7 in just about every significant passing category. Brady also skews the financial part of the equation. 15 of those Super Bowl winning QBs weren't even in the top 5 in pay.

I'm struggling with this issue. The data shows that a good QB on a great contract is how you win a Super Bowl. Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, have all failed to even make a Super Bowl after being paid. However, except for Brees, all of them have consistently elevated the floor of their franchise after signing that contract.

This ties into the Peyton Manning vs Brady debate in some respect. Manning was far and away the best QB for most of their respective careers, but he also got paid near the top of the league in all of those years while Brady hovered in and out of the top 10. Brady has only won 1 Super Bowl in the 6 season where he's being paid in the top 5 at this position, he did however make 3, and one of those seasons his team went undefeated lol...

Ultimately this question comes down to expectations. Trading Wilson gives you the best odds of going on another dynastic run while also attaching a significant risk to the franchise's floor if you miss on his replacement. Paying Wilson top 5 money maintains status quo but limits your ability to be a legitimate threat to win it all every season.

I see you have been getting some hassle from other posters but to me this calls it perfectly. The last paragraph especially.

As for other comments here it's a well and good saying that Brady and Wilson's cap hits are similar but after this year if they resign Wilson the difference will be huge.

In all honesty I'm leaning towards trading him, I feel that Wilson cares more about money than he does winning. As a HUGE RW3 fan it pains me to say that. It's Earl Thomas all over again except Wilson is less honest.

Trade him and let someone else deal with the huge cap hit and drama.

OK. I need to ask. What that Wilson has done or said would possibly give you that opinion??

 

[SoulfishHawk]

What Largent said, it hasn't been about being the best QB in a while now. The next guy up gets the big contract. Shoot, look at what Pretty Boy got in Santa Clara (after what, 7 games?)
Or 84 mil guaranteed for Cousins, a guy who has done little to nothing in the league. Neither are close to Russ, but they got their $ because they had a team that's willing to pay it....and they were the next man up.

In what world does Russ not care about winning? Wow
Yet AGAIN, somehow Russ is Selfish and/or cares about money over winning...…..
It's clear that MANY players care about $ as well. What's the big deal?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

In all honesty I'm leaning towards trading him, I feel that Wilson cares more about money than he does winning.

Why can't players care about both money and winning?

The NFL isn't a charity, it's a cold hard business. You expect the players to be charitable for the sake of winning, but not the owners who are making money hand over fist?

In no other line of work would people say this stuff. But because it's a sport fans are emotionally invested in we somehow throw logic and reason completely out the window.

You can debate as to whether we have a better chance of winning with our without Russell and his contract, but to say he doesn't care about winning is utterly and completely ridiculous. For going on eight years all he's shown us is he's one of the greatest competitors in the history of the sport.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

In all honesty I'm leaning towards trading him, I feel that Wilson cares more about money than he does winning.

Why can't players care about both money and winning?

The NFL isn't a charity, it's a cold hard business. You expect the players to be charitable for the sake of winning, but not the owners who are making money hand over fist?

In no other line of work would people say this stuff. But because it's a sport fans are emotionally invested in we somehow throw logic and reason completely out the window.

You can debate as to whether we have a better chance of winning with our without Russell and his contract, but to say he doesn't care about winning is utterly and completely ridiculous. For going on eight years all he's shown us is he's one of the greatest competitors in the history of the sport.

I have no problem with players wanting make all the money they can get. Frank Clark for example has been honest and up front right from the start and that will play out however it supposed to do. No problem with Frank from me.

The issue with Wilson is that he's manufactured a persona that doesn't fit with the honesty shown by Frank. Some people have called him fake for years I guess we will find out soon enough who is right.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He took a pretty damn team friendly deal last time. And that was after months of ASSUMPTIONS about him. Same thing is going on now. He likely wants to be paid market value, so what? He has more than earned a huge deal. Unlike many guys who are making a lot more coin than he is. Why is it that Russ somehow doesn't get the same treatment as other guys doing the exact same thing???

 

[Sgt. Largent]

In all honesty I'm leaning towards trading him, I feel that Wilson cares more about money than he does winning.

Why can't players care about both money and winning?

The NFL isn't a charity, it's a cold hard business. You expect the players to be charitable for the sake of winning, but not the owners who are making money hand over fist?

In no other line of work would people say this stuff. But because it's a sport fans are emotionally invested in we somehow throw logic and reason completely out the window.

You can debate as to whether we have a better chance of winning with our without Russell and his contract, but to say he doesn't care about winning is utterly and completely ridiculous. For going on eight years all he's shown us is he's one of the greatest competitors in the history of the sport.

I have no problem with players wanting make all the money they can get. Frank Clark for example has been honest and up front right from the start and that will play out however it supposed to do. No problem with Frank from me.

The issue with Wilson is that he's manufactured a persona that doesn't fit with the honesty shown by Frank. Some people have called him fake for years I guess we will find out soon enough who is right.

Russell has been very measured and cautious his entire career when speaking about money and contracts. That doesn't make him fake, it just makes his diplomatic.

As opposed to most players like Clark and E.T. who have no problem airing their demands and opinions 24/7 on social media.

That's not better to me, that just tells me Russell's far more mature then those guys. That's a sign of immaturity and emotional control, not "realness" as some like to call it.

Corny? Yes. Weird at times? Yep. Fake and/or dishonest about his contract? Nope. Never once.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Russ isn't the way some people WANT him to be, so they just refuse to accept him. Seems a tad childish really, and very petty. I'll take a class guy like Russ any day over a guy who whines about his contract publicly over and over again. Because they have it so rough :?
Or guys who bash the front office, all while getting a pass from the fans.
I don't care how weird he is, he's one of the best in the league, he's a leader and he's a flat out winner. This obsession with getting on him about his personality, about how he lives his life etc. Why do people care so much? How is it impacting your life? Just has never made sense to me. He's a strange cat sometimes, so what? Plenty of them all over the NFL. He has carried himself with class his entire career, period.

 

[Tical21]

He took a pretty damn team friendly deal last time. And that was after months of ASSUMPTIONS about him. Same thing is going on now. He likely wants to be paid market value, so what? He has more than earned a huge deal. Unlike many guys who are making a lot more coin than he is. Why is it that Russ somehow doesn't get the same treatment as other guys doing the exact same thing???

Stop picking on Russell everybody!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fan how you want, it's as corny as people think Russ is. You can't stand the guy, congrats. He's going to the Hawks QB for a while longer, sorry man, you'll just have to get used to it a little longer.
I find it humorous how people are when it comes to Russ. But hey, do you. The funny thing is that you think I care if you pick on the guy. Go ahead, makes it more funny when he just keeps winning, in life and on the field. Plus, 25 other QB's would have won us a ring, right? :34853_doh:

 

[Seymour]

In all honesty I'm leaning towards trading him, I feel that Wilson cares more about money than he does winning.

Why can't players care about both money and winning?

The NFL isn't a charity, it's a cold hard business. You expect the players to be charitable for the sake of winning, but not the owners who are making money hand over fist?

In no other line of work would people say this stuff. But because it's a sport fans are emotionally invested in we somehow throw logic and reason completely out the window.

You can debate as to whether we have a better chance of winning with our without Russell and his contract, but to say he doesn't care about winning is utterly and completely ridiculous. For going on eight years all he's shown us is he's one of the greatest competitors in the history of the sport.

I have no problem with players wanting make all the money they can get. Frank Clark for example has been honest and up front right from the start and that will play out however it supposed to do. No problem with Frank from me.

The issue with Wilson is that he's manufactured a persona that doesn't fit with the honesty shown by Frank. Some people have called him fake for years I guess we will find out soon enough who is right.

Russell has been very measured and cautious his entire career when speaking about money and contracts. That doesn't make him fake, it just makes his diplomatic.

As opposed to most players like Clark and E.T. who have no problem airing their demands and opinions 24/7 on social media.

That's not better to me, that just tells me Russell's far more mature then those guys. That's a sign of immaturity and emotional control, not "realness" as some like to call it.

Corny? Yes. Weird at times? Yep. Fake and/or dishonest about his contract? Nope. Never once.

Nailed it.

 

[TwistedHusky]

The best solution for this team is to pay Wilson market rate as early as possible.

Waiting makes no sense here UNLESS you plan on replacing him/letting him walk.

More quarterbacks being signed means the market rate is going to be that much higher when you do settle on a contract. Worse, if you wait - then let him leave...you end up paying his replacement near what you would have just paid Wilson had you gotten a contract done with him early.

We see this often enough with Seattle sports stars, you would think we would have learned by now. Get long term contracts done as early as possible for as long as possible unless you are not keeping the player.