Russell Wilson Interesting Numbers

[SoulfishHawk]

He had 5 incompletions the entire game, he did not play poorly. He was money.
1st pick was the only bad pass, though Graham made zero effort to break it up. 2nd pick was flat out on Graham, no excuse for missing that one.

 

[Popeyejones]

1. That Russell Wilson, according to advanced stats has the most accurate over the shoulder throw in the league

Doesn't surprise me at all.

For the few things he struggles with Wilson has always thrown the prettiest deep ball in the league, IMO.

 

[Scorpion05]

Stats schmats. He zoomed back in the second half but played poorly in the first half. Those two sacks WERE on him.

Part of it is the playbook he handed. Part of it is worse pocket presence than Matt Stafford. Climbing his pocket just a little could have prevented that safety.

Nice how many here call the sacks that are on him, and NEVER credit him for all the sacks he evades that most QB's don't. It helps to make their point is why it isn't acknowledged by these posters.

I call BS. People have credited Wilson his whole career for his amazing escapes. When you hear commentators and fans talk about Russ, his escapability is the first attribute that you generally hear about. What many people overlook is his piss poor pocket presence. I've seen him spin around in the pocket like a dog chasing his tail before -- this season in fact, when he even had a perfectly clean pocket. The end result is he wasted 3 seconds, and walked himself into a defensive player and in the process he missed a wide open receiver because he was busy spinning around. His Houdini act is fun to watch, but it also is very frustrating at times. I've also seen him completely ignore his check down when pressure was bearing down on him.

Russell Wilson can turn some impossible situations into huge gains, but he also has the tendency to turn what should have be mundane, routine plays into monumental tasks.

I'm sorry but this is completely illogical, unreasonable, and unfair

I don't think it takes a Russell Wilson stan to acknowledge that him being the most pressured in 2 seconds or less and at least the most second pressured since 2013...would lead him to over anticipate pressure in moments. This is the very definition of nitpicking. He may spin around for no reason sometimes but, his paranoia saves us more than it hurts us. It's very rare he has a clean pocket

When people talk about giving Russell credit, we're talking about his passing. And despite his career stats, which in some instances is second only to Aaron Rodgers or at least top 5 since he's been in the league(passer rating, efficiency, etc.), he does not get the respect he deserves. People are always looking for a flaw compared to other Qbs

 

[Spin Doctor]

Stats schmats. He zoomed back in the second half but played poorly in the first half. Those two sacks WERE on him.

Part of it is the playbook he handed. Part of it is worse pocket presence than Matt Stafford. Climbing his pocket just a little could have prevented that safety.

Nice how many here call the sacks that are on him, and NEVER credit him for all the sacks he evades that most QB's don't. It helps to make their point is why it isn't acknowledged by these posters.

I call BS. People have credited Wilson his whole career for his amazing escapes. When you hear commentators and fans talk about Russ, his escapability is the first attribute that you generally hear about. What many people overlook is his piss poor pocket presence. I've seen him spin around in the pocket like a dog chasing his tail before -- this season in fact, when he even had a perfectly clean pocket. The end result is he wasted 3 seconds, and walked himself into a defensive player and in the process he missed a wide open receiver because he was busy spinning around. His Houdini act is fun to watch, but it also is very frustrating at times. I've also seen him completely ignore his check down when pressure was bearing down on him.

Russell Wilson can turn some impossible situations into huge gains, but he also has the tendency to turn what should have be mundane, routine plays into monumental tasks.

I'm sorry but this is completely illogical, unreasonable, and unfair

I don't think it takes a Russell Wilson stan to acknowledge that him being the most pressured in 2 seconds or less and at least the most second pressured since 2013...would lead him to over anticipate pressure in moments. This is the very definition of nitpicking. He may spin around for no reason sometimes but, his paranoia saves us more than it hurts us. It's very rare he has a clean pocket

When people talk about giving Russell credit, we're talking about his passing. And despite his career stats, which in some instances is second only to Aaron Rodgers or at least top 5 since he's been in the league(passer rating, efficiency, etc.), he does not get the respect he deserves. People are always looking for a flaw compared to other Qbs

It isn't nitpicking. Russell Wilson has missed a lot of opportunities due to his poor pocket presence. Russell Wilson is the second most pressured since 2013, BUT he also has held the ball the longest out of any QB in that time period. Our offensive line is bad, but Russ hasn't done them many favors either by bailing from the pocket, and creating phantom pressure. QB's such as Tom Brady evade pressure by subtle movements in the pocket, and being mindful of their checkdown at all times. If Russ could add a bit of that element into his QB play he would be a more consistent player. Despite Russ's great stats, he is frustratingly inconsistent from quarter to quarter, sometimes for stretches of games.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He gets the job done better than most.

 

[DangerousDoug]

We have seen QB after QB get their career derailed because of bad O-lines

RW will bail on the pocket a bit quick, he will throw it a bit high, but every single time the guy is allowed to get in rhythm he proves that he is an ELITE QB. Every time. That is why he has so many come from behind wins.

So does he always play elite - no. Could there be a damn good reason for that? You go out and get in a car wreck then get behind the wheels again and you realize why he may be skittish. Ask any baseball player how it felt when they went back to the plate the time after having gotten drilled in the face by a baseball.

It happens to RW every single game over and over again. And just like Big Ben a bunch of times he is counted out and still comes up with some amazing play. Yet people get pissed when he holds on to the ball slightly to long looking for the weekly miracle

Man if he was playing for the Cowboys with that O-line or the Pats with their game plans people would think he was the best QB in the league

Word.

 

[seedhawk]

Stats schmats. He zoomed back in the second half but played poorly in the first half. Those two sacks WERE on him.

Part of it is the playbook he handed. Part of it is worse pocket presence than Matt Stafford. Climbing his pocket just a little could have prevented that safety.

Nice how many here call the sacks that are on him, and NEVER credit him for all the sacks he evades that most QB's don't. It helps to make their point is why it isn't acknowledged by these posters.

I call BS. People have credited Wilson his whole career for his amazing escapes. When you hear commentators and fans talk about Russ, his escapability is the first attribute that you generally hear about. What many people overlook is his piss poor pocket presence. I've seen him spin around in the pocket like a dog chasing his tail before -- this season in fact, when he even had a perfectly clean pocket. The end result is he wasted 3 seconds, and walked himself into a defensive player and in the process he missed a wide open receiver because he was busy spinning around. His Houdini act is fun to watch, but it also is very frustrating at times. I've also seen him completely ignore his check down when pressure was bearing down on him.

Russell Wilson can turn some impossible situations into huge gains, but he also has the tendency to turn what should have be mundane, routine plays into monumental tasks.

I'm sorry but this is completely illogical, unreasonable, and unfair

I don't think it takes a Russell Wilson stan to acknowledge that him being the most pressured in 2 seconds or less and at least the most second pressured since 2013...would lead him to over anticipate pressure in moments. This is the very definition of nitpicking. He may spin around for no reason sometimes but, his paranoia saves us more than it hurts us. It's very rare he has a clean pocket

When people talk about giving Russell credit, we're talking about his passing. And despite his career stats, which in some instances is second only to Aaron Rodgers or at least top 5 since he's been in the league(passer rating, efficiency, etc.), he does not get the respect he deserves. People are always looking for a flaw compared to other Qbs

Bushwah! With RW, what you see is what you get so live with it. He reminds me a lot of Tarkenton. Run around like a crazed person with bats flying up their butt. When on, it seems amazing. When off just a bit, can really look horrible. However, when looking at the Hawks record while he has been our Qb, would anyone here like to go back to a Hass or TJ clone?

 

[IndyHawk]

Nice how many here call the sacks that are on him, and NEVER credit him for all the sacks he evades that most QB's don't. It helps to make their point is why it isn't acknowledged by these posters.

I call BS. People have credited Wilson his whole career for his amazing escapes. When you hear commentators and fans talk about Russ, his escapability is the first attribute that you generally hear about. What many people overlook is his piss poor pocket presence. I've seen him spin around in the pocket like a dog chasing his tail before -- this season in fact, when he even had a perfectly clean pocket. The end result is he wasted 3 seconds, and walked himself into a defensive player and in the process he missed a wide open receiver because he was busy spinning around. His Houdini act is fun to watch, but it also is very frustrating at times. I've also seen him completely ignore his check down when pressure was bearing down on him.

Russell Wilson can turn some impossible situations into huge gains, but he also has the tendency to turn what should have be mundane, routine plays into monumental tasks.

I'm sorry but this is completely illogical, unreasonable, and unfair

I don't think it takes a Russell Wilson stan to acknowledge that him being the most pressured in 2 seconds or less and at least the most second pressured since 2013...would lead him to over anticipate pressure in moments. This is the very definition of nitpicking. He may spin around for no reason sometimes but, his paranoia saves us more than it hurts us. It's very rare he has a clean pocket

When people talk about giving Russell credit, we're talking about his passing. And despite his career stats, which in some instances is second only to Aaron Rodgers or at least top 5 since he's been in the league(passer rating, efficiency, etc.), he does not get the respect he deserves. People are always looking for a flaw compared to other Qbs

It isn't nitpicking. Russell Wilson has missed a lot of opportunities due to his poor pocket presence. Russell Wilson is the second most pressured since 2013, BUT he also has held the ball the longest out of any QB in that time period. Our offensive line is bad, but Russ hasn't done them many favors either by bailing from the pocket, and creating phantom pressure. QB's such as Tom Brady evade pressure by subtle movements in the pocket, and being mindful of their checkdown at all times. If Russ could add a bit of that element into his QB play he would be a more consistent player. Despite Russ's great stats, he is frustratingly inconsistent from quarter to quarter, sometimes for stretches of games.

Spin you nailed it with FUSTRATING..I have been saying the same things and I suppose a lot do not like it but the truth hurts.Anyone notice his biggest runs have been when he steps up in pocket and he has a giant hole?Thats what is there a lot!Teams are on to his bail on the outside routine so they leave the middle.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm OK with being overly critical on Russell, that's what comes with the territory when you go from an overachieving 3rd round pick making 500k per year to a supposed "elite franchise" QB making 20M +..............and a franchise QB in his prime btw.

And I'm sure Pete, John, his teammates and Russell himself feel the same.

If this team is going anywhere in Russell's prime, AND the majority of the cap dedicated to the defense? Russell can't have bad days, he's gotta carry the offense.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I'm OK with being overly critical on Russell, that's what comes with the territory when you go from an overachieving 3rd round pick making 500k per year to a supposed "elite franchise" QB making 20M +..............and a franchise QB in his prime btw.

And I'm sure Pete, John, his teammates and Russell himself feel the same.

If this team is going anywhere in Russell's prime, AND the majority of the cap dedicated to the defense? Russell can't have bad days, he's gotta carry the offense.

Indeed. My biggest frustration with Wilson is his inconsistency. Some of it is the offensive line, and playcalling, but a lot of it also Wilson's fault. He'll have whole halves of horrid, inaccurate passes, missing wide open wide receivers, then the next half Wilson will make some of the most awe inspiring throws. I see glimpses of a QB that could be top 2 or 3 -- maybe even the best QB in the NFL, and then next game, or even next quarter he struggles to get out of his own way. Sometimes he even has stretches of games that he struggles to score a single touchdown.

I think a lot of this inconsistency has to do with his pocket presence, or rather the lack of. It seems as if when his first read isn't open he reverts to backyard football. He goes through his progressions but he does it in a weird way. His internal clock is broken, or rather he has never developed it due to his ability to make things happen. Unfortunately, when he starts scrambling around, often times he turns his back away from his receivers. This leads to a lot of missed opportunities. When Wilson was at his best in 2015 he was committing to the pocket, and taking what the defense was giving him. He was actually stepping up instead of bailing out. We were also allowing him to get into a rhythm, by calling a lot of slants, comebacks, hook routes, and outs at the start of the game. It is important for even elite QBs such as Brady, and Rodgers to get into the right rhythm. This is where Pete and Bevell fail the hardest. Our offensive strategy is predicated upon the knockout punch. Other offenses are boxing, while we are throwing blind haymakers.

We can run this style of offense while maintaining a strong ground game. I think doing this would result in Russ picking up some good habits, and contribute to a much more consistent strategy. We have the players to do this. Lockett, Richardson, and Baldwin are all stellar route runners. Doing this would also negate the pressure on Wilson somewhat. Unfortunately, I think the style of offense we run is predicated on what Pete wants.

 

[Scorpion05]

Nice how many here call the sacks that are on him, and NEVER credit him for all the sacks he evades that most QB's don't. It helps to make their point is why it isn't acknowledged by these posters.

I call BS. People have credited Wilson his whole career for his amazing escapes. When you hear commentators and fans talk about Russ, his escapability is the first attribute that you generally hear about. What many people overlook is his piss poor pocket presence. I've seen him spin around in the pocket like a dog chasing his tail before -- this season in fact, when he even had a perfectly clean pocket. The end result is he wasted 3 seconds, and walked himself into a defensive player and in the process he missed a wide open receiver because he was busy spinning around. His Houdini act is fun to watch, but it also is very frustrating at times. I've also seen him completely ignore his check down when pressure was bearing down on him.

Russell Wilson can turn some impossible situations into huge gains, but he also has the tendency to turn what should have be mundane, routine plays into monumental tasks.

I'm sorry but this is completely illogical, unreasonable, and unfair

I don't think it takes a Russell Wilson stan to acknowledge that him being the most pressured in 2 seconds or less and at least the most second pressured since 2013...would lead him to over anticipate pressure in moments. This is the very definition of nitpicking. He may spin around for no reason sometimes but, his paranoia saves us more than it hurts us. It's very rare he has a clean pocket

When people talk about giving Russell credit, we're talking about his passing. And despite his career stats, which in some instances is second only to Aaron Rodgers or at least top 5 since he's been in the league(passer rating, efficiency, etc.), he does not get the respect he deserves. People are always looking for a flaw compared to other Qbs

It isn't nitpicking. Russell Wilson has missed a lot of opportunities due to his poor pocket presence. Russell Wilson is the second most pressured since 2013, BUT he also has held the ball the longest out of any QB in that time period. Our offensive line is bad, but Russ hasn't done them many favors either by bailing from the pocket, and creating phantom pressure. QB's such as Tom Brady evade pressure by subtle movements in the pocket, and being mindful of their checkdown at all times. If Russ could add a bit of that element into his QB play he would be a more consistent player. Despite Russ's great stats, he is frustratingly inconsistent from quarter to quarter, sometimes for stretches of games.

It is nitpicking. If this isn't nitpicking, then what do you classify as nitpicking?

Your logic is basically, yah Russell has had a terrible O-line, and no we don't have a quick passing offense, but sure. Let me go out of my way to criticize him "holding the ball too long." And let me completely ignore how him having virtually no solid O-line affects his play

Oh, and then let's compare him to Brady who, comparitively, has had much better O-lines. And is in a quick passing offense by Josh McDaniels. And who doesn't face nearly as much pressure on a consistent basis

You cannot on one hand talk about him leaving the pocket too early when the FACTS show that he has a right to leave the pocket early, or anticipate leaving early. With respect, that is a logical fallacy

 

[Scorpion05]

Nice how many here call the sacks that are on him, and NEVER credit him for all the sacks he evades that most QB's don't. It helps to make their point is why it isn't acknowledged by these posters.

I call BS. People have credited Wilson his whole career for his amazing escapes. When you hear commentators and fans talk about Russ, his escapability is the first attribute that you generally hear about. What many people overlook is his piss poor pocket presence. I've seen him spin around in the pocket like a dog chasing his tail before -- this season in fact, when he even had a perfectly clean pocket. The end result is he wasted 3 seconds, and walked himself into a defensive player and in the process he missed a wide open receiver because he was busy spinning around. His Houdini act is fun to watch, but it also is very frustrating at times. I've also seen him completely ignore his check down when pressure was bearing down on him.

Russell Wilson can turn some impossible situations into huge gains, but he also has the tendency to turn what should have be mundane, routine plays into monumental tasks.

I'm sorry but this is completely illogical, unreasonable, and unfair

I don't think it takes a Russell Wilson stan to acknowledge that him being the most pressured in 2 seconds or less and at least the most second pressured since 2013...would lead him to over anticipate pressure in moments. This is the very definition of nitpicking. He may spin around for no reason sometimes but, his paranoia saves us more than it hurts us. It's very rare he has a clean pocket

When people talk about giving Russell credit, we're talking about his passing. And despite his career stats, which in some instances is second only to Aaron Rodgers or at least top 5 since he's been in the league(passer rating, efficiency, etc.), he does not get the respect he deserves. People are always looking for a flaw compared to other Qbs

Bushwah! With RW, what you see is what you get so live with it. He reminds me a lot of Tarkenton. Run around like a crazed person with bats flying up their butt. When on, it seems amazing. When off just a bit, can really look horrible. However, when looking at the Hawks record while he has been our Qb, would anyone here like to go back to a Hass or TJ clone?

Great

In this case, let's trade him away to another team with a better O-line so that he can be judged more fairly and honestly. This is probably the part where you state you don't want Russell traded. But this line of reasoning is frustrating. It reminds me of my arguments with people elsewhere about Jared Goff last year. Now he is in a different system, with better protection and weapons. And all of a sudden the compliments are that he has great accuracy, pocket presence, etc. Funny what a better O-line, weapons, and an offensive coordinator can do.

Russell has his faults. But I live in the East and I watch Tom Brady every Sunday. So I also see all the throws he misses that fans of other teams swear doesn't happen. Even watching last week's game against the Panthers would show Brady missing some wide open throws. So once again, I only argue for fair criticism

 

[JimmyG]

Stats schmats. He zoomed back in the second half but played poorly in the first half. Those two sacks WERE on him.

Part of it is the playbook he handed. Part of it is worse pocket presence than Matt Stafford. Climbing his pocket just a little could have prevented that safety.

Nice how many here call the sacks that are on him, and NEVER credit him for all the sacks he evades that most QB's don't. It helps to make their point is why it isn't acknowledged by these posters.

I call BS. People have credited Wilson his whole career for his amazing escapes. When you hear commentators and fans talk about Russ, his escapability is the first attribute that you generally hear about. What many people overlook is his piss poor pocket presence. I've seen him spin around in the pocket like a dog chasing his tail before -- this season in fact, when he even had a perfectly clean pocket. The end result is he wasted 3 seconds, and walked himself into a defensive player and in the process he missed a wide open receiver because he was busy spinning around. His Houdini act is fun to watch, but it also is very frustrating at times. I've also seen him completely ignore his check down when pressure was bearing down on him.

Russell Wilson can turn some impossible situations into huge gains, but he also has the tendency to turn what should have be mundane, routine plays into monumental tasks.

I agree, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.

An example of where it's bad: in the 4th quarter of the Titans game, there was a 2nd down at around the 15-yard line. There was immediate pressure on the play. Wilson ran backwards literally 15-20 yards to try to avoid the pass rusher and took a sack. The net result was something like 3rd-and-29. This was a crucial point in the game, and was for all intents and purposes a dagger through the heart of us mounting a comeback. The majority of QBs in that situation would've probably dropped to the ground for a 4-5 yard loss.

Sometimes he also runs so far back that he makes off-balance throws that don't even get to the line of scrimmage, whcih every once in a while results in intentional grounding. His feet are definitely a net positive, but there are a lot of times that it gets him into trouble. People always blame the OL when Wilson scrambles, but sometimes he just instinctively rolls out of the pocket.

 

[RussB]

Wilson with the cowboys o line would be the GOAT.

 

[mikeak]

People need to look at the numbers behind "holding the ball the longest"

If you go by the column labeled TT (time to throw) and look at 2016
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2016/all

TT is defined as: Time to Throw measures the average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).

RW is ranked no 20 -- so below middle

Now here is the kicker. Go look at no 15 -- Flacco -- time 2.56 / pass

Go look at no 31 - Kirk Cousing -- 2.8

The difference is 0. 34

So when RW runs around ONE TIME for 3 extra seconds that means that for the next 10 plays he increased his average with 0.3 seconds. He does this at least 3 times PER GAME. So on average his running around is really what makes people think he holds on to the ball to long each time. It also ignores that at times we are totally fine with a sack over the throwing it away and getting it picked off.

Sure he gets into bad spots at times because of what he can do but you have to pick. You can either be fine with it or if you don't want it then remember that you don't get the scrambling around and then throwing a miracle throw to Richardsson to win the 49ers game either...... which do you prefer?

 

[erik2690]

It isn't nitpicking. Russell Wilson has missed a lot of opportunities due to his poor pocket presence. Russell Wilson is the second most pressured since 2013, BUT he also has held the ball the longest out of any QB in that time period.

How do you find it logical to completely ignore the "most pressured under 2 seconds" stat? That's the stem of all this. If you are being pressured before you can even make a second read it can mess with you from time to time. He's shortened his time to throw in the last couple seasons and during that period he was the most pressured in under 2 seconds. To gloss over that is kinda wild. I'm not sure I see anyone saying he plays perfect every play but to not contextualize any pocket issues by connecting it to being pressured very quickly often seems a bit silly.

 

[Scorpion05]

People need to look at the numbers behind "holding the ball the longest"

If you go by the column labeled TT (time to throw) and look at 2016
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2016/all

TT is defined as: Time to Throw measures the average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).

RW is ranked no 20 -- so below middle

Now here is the kicker. Go look at no 15 -- Flacco -- time 2.56 / pass

Go look at no 31 - Kirk Cousing -- 2.8

The difference is 0. 34

So when RW runs around ONE TIME for 3 extra seconds that means that for the next 10 plays he increased his average with 0.3 seconds. He does this at least 3 times PER GAME. So on average his running around is really what makes people think he holds on to the ball to long each time. It also ignores that at times we are totally fine with a sack over the throwing it away and getting it picked off.

Sure he gets into bad spots at times because of what he can do but you have to pick. You can either be fine with it or if you don't want it then remember that you don't get the scrambling around and then throwing a miracle throw to Richardsson to win the 49ers game either...... which do you prefer?

What I find most amazing about this, is that Russell Wilson, despite his few moments of running around in circles..holds the ball less than Aaron Rodgers. The guy people claim "gets rid of the ball quickly" actually holds onto the ball forever. Shows you just how much perception is often reality

This year Russell is holding it longer than he usually does, but it's a 4 game sample. His overall trend, despite popular belief, shows he gets rid of the ball reasonably quickly, comparatively to the elite Qbs

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The blatant refusal to accept the fact that Russ is damn good is so entertaining.
No matter what he does, people would rather point out the negatives, instead of actually giving him credit for the positives.

 

[hgwellz12]

The blatant refusal to accept the fact that Russ is damn good is so entertaining.
No matter what he does, people would rather point out the negatives, instead of actually giving him credit for the positives.

You know the deal...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, arms hurt from throwing them up in the air :lol: