Russ Earned My Respect Back

[AVL]

A total lack of respect is trying t trade a quarterback to the browns! I can't believe Wilson didn't try to get out sooner.

 

[Rat]

That’s what makes the Russ debate so frustrating. There’s always a reason for his success and it’s never him. Weird to me.

That's only true if you're sensitive to the criticism. Russ gets a tremendous amount of credit for his success, and has from the first time he stepped onto the field in preseason.

 

[Palmegranite]

That’s what makes the Russ debate so frustrating. There’s always a reason for his success and it’s never him. Weird to me.

You might start to think that all these throws, and catches, were made "a little with the head of Wilson, and a little with the hand of God".

I know that's what Russ believes.

 

[Ozzy]

That's only true if you're sensitive to the criticism. Russ gets a tremendous amount of credit for his success, and has from the first time he stepped onto the field in preseason.

Not in here. There are some wildly bad takes in here on Russ in my opinion. It is what it is.

 

[Rat]

Not in here. There are some wildly bad takes in here on Russ in my opinion. It is what it is.

That's not really surprising given that he's a former player who forced his way out. It's calmed down dramatically over the past few years and likely to continue trending that way. Time healing and all that. Pretty absurd to suggest it's for the reason that was being hinted at a few posts back.

 

[IndyHawk]

That's not really surprising given that he's a former player who forced his way out. It's calmed down dramatically over the past few years and likely to continue trending that way. Time healing and all that. Pretty absurd to suggest it's for the reason that was being hinted at a few posts back.

There is still plenty that will never calm down, it's "Unlimited".

 

[Seahawks fan]

He definitely fell into the right situation for himself a good defense & an offense that fits his skill sets. I'm happy for him and hope he continues with this success...

And speaking on former Seahawks how cool is it to see Dan Quinn & the Commanders are killing it this year? And, The old man Bwagz is still a tackling machine. I hope they make a deep playoff push..

 

[chrispy]

RCW is an enigma. As soon as he seems obvious, he suddenly isn't.

To me, and I know this isn't 100%, it comes down to his opponent and not himself. RCW is what he is. He does what he does. Yes, there are some examples of him stepping outside that model, but those are exceptions.

So...to me, his success or failure falls on the Defense/s he faces. In the NFCW, I think it's easy to agree that opposing Ds "figured him out". That's not to say every down/every game was consistent, but generally. In the AFCN, there are fewer Coaches and players that know him. If a game plan v RCW treats him like anything other than an enigma that requires a unique set of priorities, it gives him an advantage. If that game plan gives him the plays he avoids and focuses on his preferences, there's a different outcome. ...and even if the game plan is in place, the DBs and DL have to abandon their instincts and stick to the RCW priorities.

Of course that's the case with every QB.... But mostly, a QB falls into "pocket passer" or "mobile threat". RCWs deep-ball accuracy puts him in first and "ability to extend plays" points to second. However, his short game and old legs don't agree. ...an enigma.

As the season progresses, as Eastern DCs becomes more familiar, as players buy-in on how to play his weaknesses... his success will fade. We just don't know if he can put together a run before that happens. Something tells me Harbaugh has a pretty good idea on how to play him this week.

 

[chris98251]

RCW is an enigma. As soon as he seems obvious, he suddenly isn't.

To me, and I know this isn't 100%, it comes down to his opponent and not himself. RCW is what he is. He does what he does. Yes, there are some examples of him stepping outside that model, but those are exceptions.

So...to me, his success or failure falls on the Defense/s he faces. In the NFCW, I think it's easy to agree that opposing Ds "figured him out". That's not to say every down/every game was consistent, but generally. In the AFCN, there are fewer Coaches and players that know him. If a game plan v RCW treats him like anything other than an enigma that requires a unique set of priorities, it gives him an advantage. If that game plan gives him the plays he avoids and focuses on his preferences, there's a different outcome. ...and even if the game plan is in place, the DBs and DL have to abandon their instincts and stick to the RCW priorities.

Of course that's the case with every QB.... But mostly, a QB falls into "pocket passer" or "mobile threat". RCWs deep-ball accuracy puts him in first and "ability to extend plays" points to second. However, his short game and old legs don't agree. ...an enigma.

As the season progresses, as Eastern DCs becomes more familiar, as players buy-in on how to play his weaknesses... his success will fade. We just don't know if he can put together a run before that happens. Something tells me Harbaugh has a pretty good idea on how to play him this week.

True "IF" you don't have a defense and running game that forces Russell to put the team on his back, with a defense that can get turnovers and a running game that pulls 8 men up Russ can exploit it deep and on the edges with enough mobility to extend time in the pocket. Take away either of those support systems you have a Denver Wilson.

 

[Cyrus12]

I expect him to play well vs Baltimore. Not exactly a great secondary.

 

[Ozzy]

True "IF" you don't have a defense and running game that forces Russell to put the team on his back, with a defense that can get turnovers and a running game that pulls 8 men up Russ can exploit it deep and on the edges with enough mobility to extend time in the pocket. Take away either of those support systems you have a Denver Wilson.

This argument needs to be put to bed. He’s had great years with a middling defense and no running game. It’s objectively proven to be false. Of course he’s better with those things just like every QB is.

 

[chris98251]

This argument needs to be put to bed. He’s had great years with a middling defense and no running game. It’s objectively proven to be false. Of course he’s better with those things just like every QB is.

Thats delusional, he sucked ass with no running game and defense, he is not a franchise guy that elevates players, he is a game Manager with a unique ability to throw a deep ball, he is limited to where he can put the ball consistently on the field, just look at where his targets and completions are over his whole career. His stats don't show how ineffective he is because he played safe ball, but look at all the three and outs, amount of drives that stalled, yards after catch of his receivers. An indication he was using the edges not throwing them open. In the system that he has with Pittsburgh and here with Lynch and our defense he can excel, it becomes a pick your poison as long as he has speed on the outside and guys that have that ability to run great routes.

 

[Ozzy]

Thats delusional, he sucked ass with no running game and defense, he is not a franchise guy that elevates players, he is a game Manager with a unique ability to throw a deep ball, he is limited to where he can put the ball consistently on the field, just look at where his targets and completions are over his whole career. His stats don't show how ineffective he is because he played safe ball, but look at all the three and outs, amount of drives that stalled, yards after catch of his receivers. An indication he was using the edges not throwing them open. In the system that he has with Pittsburgh and here with Lynch and our defense he can excel, it becomes a pick your poison as long as he has speed on the outside and guys that have that ability to run great routes.

He didn’t tho you can go back and look at the years and see how he did. He literally carried the team and scored almost every single touchdown for the team.

Another thing people forget house this argument is a large reason for Lynch being good was because Wilson was such a good runner. The zone read added almost a yard per carry for Lynch because of the threat of Wilson.

It’s objectively true, we have multiple years without lynch and he was still putting up elite numbers.

Was he unique in what he could exploit and what he wasn’t good at? Sure but he was still a monster long after the LOB and Lynch left.

 

[Palmegranite]

Thats delusional, he sucked ass with no running game and defense, .....

(Note: Put Chris90210 down in category
-Russ Did Not Earn My Respect Back)

 

[AnimeAmore]

I had already released my angst over Russell this year. With his latest outing, beating the hot Commanders in their house throwing 3 TDs, he looks like Seattle Russ again.

Tonight I saw a clip of his post game presser and I was surprised to hear him not only talk about the Steelers and their team but he made mention of his time in Seattle and Pete Carroll.

Was NOT expecting that.

He earned some points today in my book. Not that that matters to anyone but me I get it, but still.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Russ gets insanely more hate than he deserves. Not just from bitter hawk fans acting like jilted lovers, but from everyone around the country. The only football player to get as much undeserved hate is Tim Tebow.

Russ is still married to Ciara. He still has a luxurious lifestyle, but he seems to understand now that it all came from being a starting QB in the NFL. He isn't focusing on his "brand" because he now understands that it all flows from being a QB. He knows no one will give a sh*t about him after he's done playing unless he actually does something (coaching, commentating) and that he isn't interesting enough for people to really care about his "empire" after he hangs up his cleats.

Russ wants to play, and I'm glad he's getting a chance. I can't remember seeing a head coach wanting his starting QB to fail more than Payton did with Russ. It was shameful.

 

[Rat]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Russ gets insanely more hate than he deserves. Not just from bitter hawk fans acting like jilted lovers, but from everyone around the country. The only football player to get as much undeserved hate is Tim Tebow.

Russ was universally beloved early in his career when he was the humble, scrappy underdog who worked his ass off for everything he had. The "hate" increased as he became more Hollywood and people grew weary of all his platitudes. It's not unusual for people to like someone less as they find them less relatable. I don't disagree that it's largely undeserved, but it shouldn't be surprising that many have turned on him either.

 

[Cyrus12]

He created a huge divide on this team in its prime...its deserving...

 

[Rat]

He created a huge divide on this team in its prime...its deserving...

Yep, could have come out and said he thought it was time to move on, and I would have respected him for it. He was delusional enough to think that in the information age he could try to force his way out behind the scenes while keeping the appearance that he was committed to the team. He tried to have his cake and eat it too.

 

[Rat]

Thats delusional, he sucked ass with no running game and defense, he is not a franchise guy that elevates players, he is a game Manager with a unique ability to throw a deep ball, he is limited to where he can put the ball consistently on the field, just look at where his targets and completions are over his whole career. His stats don't show how ineffective he is because he played safe ball, but look at all the three and outs, amount of drives that stalled, yards after catch of his receivers. An indication he was using the edges not throwing them open. In the system that he has with Pittsburgh and here with Lynch and our defense he can excel, it becomes a pick your poison as long as he has speed on the outside and guys that have that ability to run great routes.

His stats did drop off considerably in that unfortunate season where Christine Michael led the team in rushing with fewer than 500 yards, but even then I wouldn't say he "sucked". I'm not his biggest fan, but I think the evidence points to him absolutely being a guy who elevates his teammates.

It was time to move on though. His skills were declining and he didn't want to be here any more. We got a bounty trading him. We got his best years, and were able to improve the team substantially when he left, as opposed to a situation like the Colts with Peyton Manning, where they had to watch the best QB in team history walk for nothing. It ended up being the best for all parties involved. A rare win-win.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Yeah I brought up throwing in the middle. Like I said, I thought he was doing more of it, but again, I was drunk.

No Russ isn't what he used to be, but who is? He is playing pretty darned good right now though. I thought Pittsburgh made a mistake starting him over Fields, but it looks like it was the right decision so far.

He's playing safe. Safe and good are not the same.