Rumor - Jadeveon Clowney to Seahawks?

[Seymour]

If they leaned anything from the Sheldon Richardson deal getting nothing more than a year for draft pics lost....then they don't touch this trade with a 69 1/2 foot pole!!!!

That said....yes he does fit better then Clark!! Clark was #53 against the run, Clowney is top 5 against the run and that is our #1 priority even though most everyone here looks just at sacks.

Still, this would be a 1 year rental then too high a price to keep...so don't go there!!

 

[jammerhawk]

The only way they'd do the deal was if there was some back room handshake agreement on a new deal which is against the rules and unlikely indeed, and even then it would be a risk give the nature of the agents doing business. JC who might be a good fit wants more than the team wants to pay, and JS would be very unlikely to throw away a high draft pick, Richardson style, after being burned on that transaction.

It'd be different matter altogether if JC could be signed to new deal.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

If they leaned anything from the Sheldon Richardson deal getting nothing more than a year for draft pics lost....then they don't touch this trade with a 69 1/2 foot pole!!!!

That said....yes he does fit better then Clark!! Clark was #53 against the run, Clowney is top 5 against the run and that is our #1 priority even though most everyone here looks just at sacks.

Still, this would be a 1 year rental then too high a price to keep...so don't go there!!

On the flip side, it's what we did with Brown as well, and that worked out..........but only because Brown was reasonable in his extension demands and we got it done.

So yeah, if Clowney's cool with coming her, playing his ass off and is reasonable with not demanding 21M+ like Clark did to be the highest paid DE in the league, then maybe there's a happy medium for an extension we can live with.

But my guess is no, because Houston would have already extended him if he was willing to take 15M or close to that.

 

[Seymour]

If they leaned anything from the Sheldon Richardson deal getting nothing more than a year for draft pics lost....then they don't touch this trade with a 69 1/2 foot pole!!!!

That said....yes he does fit better then Clark!! Clark was #53 against the run, Clowney is top 5 against the run and that is our #1 priority even though most everyone here looks just at sacks.

Still, this would be a 1 year rental then too high a price to keep...so don't go there!!

On the flip side, it's what we did with Brown as well, and that worked out..........but only because Brown was reasonable in his extension demands and we got it done.

So yeah, if Clowney's cool with coming her, playing his ass off and is reasonable with not demanding 21M+ like Clark did to be the highest paid DE in the league, then maybe there's a happy medium for an extension we can live with.

But my guess is no, because Houston would have already extended him if he was willing to take 15M or close to that.

I am operating on that same assumption that his demands are too high or he'd be showing up to play under the tag. But...because he is under the tag, we cannot negotiate any new deal until after the season and that is likely not to end well once that one team comes along and throws big $$ at him and we lose again. Brown was not playing under the tag and could be negotiated with so that is a big difference also.

 

[chris98251]

Well there is no rumor, this is fan speculation really just as much as should we go after Antonio Brown if we find a used Helmet he can wear for the season.

 

[jammerhawk]

I doubt there will ever be a deal between Houston and Clowney b/c Clowney sees himself as a DE and they want to pay him as an OLB and they are fighting (active grievance) over which designation he should fairly have.

Houston is in cap trouble as well so he won't be kept by them.

Agree however, that it's purely speculation that the team is interested in trading for him one year rental or not.

 

[Yxes1122]

We were alot closer to "one player away" when we traded for Sheldon Richardson and that worked gangbusters.

We are not a deep team right now and another big draft is needed. Keep the picks.

 

[Bobblehead]

Clayton was saying they are desperate to rid of him.. trade a player and a 3rd..

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Pocic doesn't seem to fit here, so maybe Pocic and a 3rd. Not my thought, just something Clayton was throwing out there. I'd take that deal yesterday.

 

[King Dog]

Mingo for Clowney straight up and we'll even eat Mingo's contract because that's the classy kind of team we are.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

We were alot closer to "one player away" when we traded for Sheldon Richardson and that worked gangbusters.

We are not a deep team right now and another big draft is needed. Keep the picks.

Good point. Clowney is a "one player away" type of short term trade.........and as much as I'm excited about how we're looking this year, I don't think we're quite there yet to trade away picks and depth players for a one year rental.

 

[knownone]

The year we traded for Richardson is kind of an outlier. It probably works out if we don't lose 4 pro bowlers to injury, and sign the most visibly rattled kicker of all time. On top of that, we were still a proverbial coin flip from making the playoffs that year despite our luck.

This year we are loaded with unproven depth. Our offensive line and running game are light years ahead of where they were in 17'. Add Clowney and our front 7 (when healthy) is better than last season, and our DBs shouldn't be much worse than last season post Earl. The only real question mark would be at receiver. Just about every other position group is better this year than last.

Clowney is also a better player than Richardson had been at any point in his career leading up to that trade.

The only major concern with Clowney is the long term health of his knee which would have 0 impact on us if the plan is to get him as a cheap (in terms of trade assets) 1 year rental. Everything I've read about Clowney after he was drafted says he's a high motor, high effort guy with great character, so I don't see any issue there. He was the second best edge defender against the run last year. He has more QB pressures than Frank Clark over the last 3 seasons, and ranks in the top 20 in sacks among edge defenders.

If Clayton is right, and we can get him for a 3rd round pick or Ethan ****ing Pocic... sign me up.

 

[Fade]

A 3rd round pick sounds a lot more palatable, but I would still do it later in the season, to lop off some of that massive cap hit he would come with.

They could trade a 3rd and then get a 3rd right back with a comp pick.

Long term Clowney is going to cost at minimum $20M+ APY, and if he finally has a big sack season this year, that price tag is going to go up to $25M+ APY.

That is why Houston wants to deal him in the first place, they know he isn't worth that price.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

John Clayton seems to think its more likely we will go for Everson Griffin but either could be possible.

 

[IndyHawk]

Turns it on/off?Sounds like an old Frank Clark..I'd rather keep the cash
and picks we have..In any trade I would never give a top 3 pick as we can
draft a future star with those.

I don't really recall ever seeing Frank Clark "Turn it on/turn it off" e.g., take a few plays off.
Maybe gassed on some plays, but the only Clark I ever saw was the one giving 100%+ on every play.

When exactly did this take-plays-off Clark appear, what games and plays?
I don't see KC giving us the package of draft picks they did for a selective-effort Clark.
And we know KC watched a *lot* of Frank Clark film before making that offer.

Please back up your assertion about Clark with some actual data.
Or did you mean it a different way than it sounded?

You didn't see that I was responding to Fades post?
I still would rather keep the picks/cash.

 

[pmedic920]

http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154914

Good work, FlyHawksFly. I'm glad at least someone cares about duplicate topics on here.

Absolutely.
Would also be nice if everyone added something of substance to each thread with their comments.
Maybe some day the board will be perfect.

“Great post”

 

[Seymour]

http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154914

Good work, FlyHawksFly. I'm glad at least someone cares about duplicate topics on here.

Absolutely.
Would also be nice if everyone added something of substance to each thread with their comments.
Maybe some day the board will be perfect.

“Great post”

Depends on your definition of "substance", I suppose.

Agree that "substance" is subjective. Disagreements and diverse opinions (some off topic) on hot topics create some of the most popular threads on this board! I've seen this many times on subjects like kneeling and Bennett's mouth, Sherman trolling the media...ect that always got shut down. Then everyone bails after putting energy into writing just to have it evaporate in 1 click.

 

[getnasty]

Who knows how a season turns out but i don't view us as title contenders the way we are. You get Clowney and he plays like he's in a contract year then maybe that's enough. A third round pick would be worth it to me seeing how were flush with picks next year and we always trade back and grab more. Clowney also seems like a perfect fit for our system.

 

[Elemas]

From reading a few sites, I'm seeing that Seattle is one of Clowneys preferred destinations.
I'd gladly give a 2nd rounder AND a RB up for him. Houston interested in Prosise? They need a RB...bad. This will never happen but, after falling off the Penny bandwagon (wishful excitement turned to "is this guy going to pan out")...I'd have no issue sending him their way.

Blasphemy? 1-2 punch talk? Not happening. If Carson's healthy, no one is taking his snaps.

Clowney vs. Clark...Clowney has the distinct disadvantage in that he was supposed to come in and have 12 sacks (a game). While I believe Clark's ceiling is higher, Clowney has been pretty damn good and more effective against the run.

Clowney vs. Clark ultiamtely doesn't matter. The Hawks need an edge.

 

[Tusc2000]

Clowney vs. Clark ultiamtely doesn't matter. The Hawks need an edge.

In the end, that's probably what it comes down to. Can't do a reset on Clark, but we clearly need help on the pass rush, and Clowney fills that void. Hoping he can live up to all that potential.