Rumor - Jadeveon Clowney to Seahawks?

[McGruff]

Did anyone call Clowney a bust?

Yes. 6th post of this thread :"Not happening. Not worth the risk. Agree as above an injury bust like Luck"

I personally am not sure how I feel about the possibilty. I see both sides....but man D-line is so important and we are so thin there right now. Sure is tempting...even if the rationale against it is legit in many ways.

I missed that. Thanks.

It's a profound error to call Clowney a bust. However, I do think it is true that his college rep and high draft status elevate his reputation among fans beyond his professional production.

He is not as good as people think he is. The primary confidence I have in saying that is that when the Chiefs could have had Clowney, they choose Clark instead

 

[Cyrus12]

Did anyone call Clowney a bust?

Yes. 6th post of this thread :"Not happening. Not worth the risk. Agree as above an injury bust like Luck"

I personally am not sure how I feel about the possibilty. I see both sides....but man D-line is so important and we are so thin there right now. Sure is tempting...even if the rationale against it is legit in many ways.

Injury bust and a plain out bust are different...he cant stay healthy..so an injury bust just like Nick Bosa is going to be. Some guys cant take the wear and tear.

 

[xray]

If that where to happen ; then why ? If the Hawks were to somehow sign Clowney ; would it be for long term ? Short term ? They should just admit that they should of kept Clark . Clarks's revenge will be that he plays for a SB contender .

 

[rcaido]

1-year deals are the way to go as our young talents develope. Then use them as comp picks. Repeat another year or two and hopefully our young talents pan out.

 

[Smellyman]

Trading Clark wasn't dumb no matter what even if they do trade for Clowney or someone else.

They turned that trade into 11 picks. It already was a huge success.

 

[Chawker]

I'd say our odds are 1 in 32 of getting him. But thats just me guessing. :180670:

 

[olyfan63]

A built in advantage the Seahawks have is Duane Brown. He was Clowneys teammate and went against him in practice. He would be the one that could accurately compare Clooney to Clark.

I don't see why Duane Brown would have any special knowledge of the subject.
Anyone can compare Clooney to Clark. Just look on YouTube for yourself, links below.
I know OldHawkFan is old, and the 60's had great performers, but it might just be time for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 70's.

[youtube]mriXncI96lw[/youtube]
[youtube]Zx06XNfDvk0[/youtube]

 

[ivotuk]

Trading Clark wasn't dumb no matter what even if they do trade for Clowney or someone else.

They turned that trade into 11 picks. It already was a huge success.

Not to mention, it left us with the cap space to extend Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, and Jarran Reed. Clark was the only feasible Big Money player that we could trade for so much draft capital.

Neither Wagner nor Reed would have brought that much. That trade was a win, win,win.

And you don't trade away 2020 draft capital to rent a player that might have some injury issues. No, you save that draft capital,and use it to get an elite, long-term pass rusher in the 2020 draft.

Such as:
Chase Young, Derrick Brown, AJ Epenesa, or Raekwon Davis

How do you trade up for one of those guys if you trade away draft capital?

And comp picks are not guaranteed. Even if you get a comp pick, you can't use it until 2021. They say that a pick received a year early loses a round of value. ie: A 2021 3rd round draft pick received in 2020 only has 4th round value. Remember, a 3rd round comp pick comes at the very end of the 3rd round, which is pick 97 or later. Basically, a 4th round pick.

 

[RiverDog]

Trading Clark wasn't dumb no matter what even if they do trade for Clowney or someone else.

They turned that trade into 11 picks. It already was a huge success.

Not to mention, it left us with the cap space to extend Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, and Jarran Reed. Clark was the only feasible Big Money player that we could trade for so much draft capital.

Neither Wagner nor Reed would have brought that much. That trade was a win, win,win.

Agreed.

And you don't trade away 2020 draft capital to rent a player that might have some injury issues. No, you save that draft capital,and use it to get an elite, long-term pass rusher in the 2020 draft.

We currently have 12 picks in the 2020 draft, which has to be a record for us. It includes 2-#2's, 2-#3's, and 2-#4's. We're not going to mortgage our future by burning a 3rd day pick. I personally don't advocate giving up a #1 on a one year rental, but a 3rd plus a player is palatable, especially if we could get some performance strings attached. And who knows, it might not turn out to be a one-year rental.

It's true that there's no signs of activity coming out of the Texans' corner and that we're just speculating, but word is that negotiations with Clowney aren't going well. The Texans view themselves as a contender and assumedly don't want a Le'Veon Bell-type of detraction to deal with. It is plausible to think that they could at some point decide to cut bait.

 

[oldhawkfan]

A built in advantage the Seahawks have is Duane Brown. He was Clowneys teammate and went against him in practice. He would be the one that could accurately compare Clooney to Clark.

I don't see why Duane Brown would have any special knowledge of the subject.
Anyone can compare Clooney to Clark. Just look on YouTube for yourself, links below.
I know OldHawkFan is old, and the 60's had great performers, but it might just be time for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 70's.

[youtube]mriXncI96lw[/youtube]
[youtube]Zx06XNfDvk0[/youtube]

Careful. I may have to take you out to the woodshed. My point about Duane Brown is that he has an insight to Clowney that can’t be obtained from YouTube, instagram, Snapchat or anything else you can find on the google machine. He knows the guy. He knows his work habits in both practice and games. He knows his personality. He has gone against him on a daily basis in practice. He knows what kind of teammate he is. I guarantee you if John and Pete are even considering the prospect of trading for him they have had conversations with Brown. It’s called due diligence.

 

[CPHawk]

The only issue with trading for Clowney now, is that we can't negotiate a new contract. Trading for a guy with no guarantee he's going to be back next year, is a big risk. Otherwise, he would be a great get and fit for our hawks.

 

[onanygivensunday]

We currently have 12 picks in the 2020 draft, which has to be a record for us. It includes 2-#2's, 2-#3's, and 2-#4's.

I currently have us at 10 picks.

And I agree with your statement that we have 2-#2s, 2-#3s and 2-#4s but add our 1st rounder to get to 7 total and what we have left is our 5th (for 8 total) and then we have a 6th comp pick for losing Shamar Stephen and lastly a 7th comp pick for losing Brett Hundley. So that makes 10 total. (The comp picks are projections by overthecap.com.)

We previously traded our 6th round pick in 2020 to Jacksonville for the rights to draft John Ursua in 2019, and we traded our 7th round pick in 2020 to New England for TE Jacob Hollister, which I understand is a conditional pick with unspecified conditions so that one is a bit uncertain at this time.

 

[Ad Hawk]

We currently have 12 picks in the 2020 draft, which has to be a record for us. It includes 2-#2's, 2-#3's, and 2-#4's.

I currently have us at 10 picks.

And I agree with your statement that we have 2-#2s, 2-#3s and 2-#4s but add our 1st rounder to get to 7 total and what we have left is our 5th (for 8 total) and then we have a 6th comp pick for losing Shamar Stephen and lastly a 7th comp pick for losing Brett Hundley. So that makes 10 total. (The comp picks are projections by overthecap.com.)

We previously traded our 6th round pick in 2020 to Jacksonville for the rights to draft John Ursua in 2019, and we traded our 7th round pick in 2020 to New England for TE Jacob Hollister, which I understand is a conditional pick with unspecified conditions so that one is a bit uncertain at this time.

How many total picks will this become by the time JS is done wheeling and dealing, do you suppose?

 

[Chawker]

I've heard that the Seahawks will more then likly make a trade in the comming weeks, but it is more unlikly NOT Clowney.


In competition for a rost spot DB Kalan Reed today.

 

[olyfan63]

A built in advantage the Seahawks have is Duane Brown. He was Clowneys teammate and went against him in practice. He would be the one that could accurately compare Clooney to Clark.

I don't see why Duane Brown would have any special knowledge of the subject.
Anyone can compare Clooney to Clark. Just look on YouTube for yourself, links below.
I know OldHawkFan is old, and the 60's had great performers, but it might just be time for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 70's.

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Careful. I may have to take you out to the woodshed. My point about Duane Brown is that he has an insight to Clowney that can’t be obtained from YouTube, instagram, Snapchat or anything else you can find on the google machine. He knows the guy. He knows his work habits in both practice and games. He knows his personality. He has gone against him on a daily basis in practice. He knows what kind of teammate he is. I guarantee you if John and Pete are even considering the prospect of trading for him they have had conversations with Brown. It’s called due diligence.

So you're claiming now that while writing about Jadaveon Clowney that your mind wandered to fantasies of Amal Clooney, not Rosemary Clooney, so you're really not that old and feeble, just distractable? Behind the woodshed, instead of swinging for my ass and missing, you'd get distracted and give me a thanking? Dammit, where the hell did I put those ADD meds anyway?

Yeah, that Duane Brown dude has done pretty well for us, and as you point out is in position to know Clowney pretty well and how he'd fit in the Seahawks environment. In Pete and John's shoes I'd certainly check that reference before making the rental.

 

[OahuHawkFan]

A built in advantage the Seahawks have is Duane Brown. He was Clowneys teammate and went against him in practice. He would be the one that could accurately compare Clooney to Clark.

I don't see why Duane Brown would have any special knowledge of the subject.
Anyone can compare Clooney to Clark. Just look on YouTube for yourself, links below.
I know OldHawkFan is old, and the 60's had great performers, but it might just be time for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 70's.

[youtube]mriXncI96lw[/youtube]
[youtube]Zx06XNfDvk0[/youtube]

Careful. I may have to take you out to the woodshed. My point about Duane Brown is that he has an insight to Clowney that can’t be obtained from YouTube, instagram, Snapchat or anything else you can find on the google machine. He knows the guy. He knows his work habits in both practice and games. He knows his personality. He has gone against him on a daily basis in practice. He knows what kind of teammate he is. I guarantee you if John and Pete are even considering the prospect of trading for him they have had conversations with Brown. It’s called due diligence.

While this sounds logical. I'm not sure if it works that way commonly. I think for certain team leaders (for example: Russel Wilson, Bobby Wagner), I could see the GM or Coach somewhat informally asking a player for their feedback.

But I could also see this as a bit of a conflict of interest between the player and the NFL Players Union. Sometimes, things get convoluted like that. I'd guess the GM / Coach need to tread more carefully than you might expect.

 

[oldhawkfan]

A built in advantage the Seahawks have is Duane Brown. He was Clowneys teammate and went against him in practice. He would be the one that could accurately compare Clooney to Clark.

I don't see why Duane Brown would have any special knowledge of the subject.
Anyone can compare Clooney to Clark. Just look on YouTube for yourself, links below.
I know OldHawkFan is old, and the 60's had great performers, but it might just be time for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 70's.

<videos snipped>

Careful. I may have to take you out to the woodshed. My point about Duane Brown is that he has an insight to Clowney that can’t be obtained from YouTube, instagram, Snapchat or anything else you can find on the google machine. He knows the guy. He knows his work habits in both practice and games. He knows his personality. He has gone against him on a daily basis in practice. He knows what kind of teammate he is. I guarantee you if John and Pete are even considering the prospect of trading for him they have had conversations with Brown. It’s called due diligence.

So you're claiming now that while writing about Jadaveon Clowney that your mind wandered to fantasies of Amal Clooney, not Rosemary Clooney, so you're really not that old and feeble, just distractable? Behind the woodshed, instead of swinging for my ass and missing, you'd get distracted and give me a thanking? Dammit, where the hell did I put those ADD meds anyway?

Yeah, that Duane Brown dude has done pretty well for us, and as you point out is in position to know Clowney pretty well and how he'd fit in the Seahawks environment. In Pete and John's shoes I'd certainly check that reference before making the rental.

The Clooney part came from autocorrect. :roll:

 

[oldhawkfan]

A built in advantage the Seahawks have is Duane Brown. He was Clowneys teammate and went against him in practice. He would be the one that could accurately compare Clooney to Clark.

I don't see why Duane Brown would have any special knowledge of the subject.
Anyone can compare Clooney to Clark. Just look on YouTube for yourself, links below.
I know OldHawkFan is old, and the 60's had great performers, but it might just be time for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 70's.

[youtube]mriXncI96lw[/youtube]
[youtube]Zx06XNfDvk0[/youtube]

Careful. I may have to take you out to the woodshed. My point about Duane Brown is that he has an insight to Clowney that can’t be obtained from YouTube, instagram, Snapchat or anything else you can find on the google machine. He knows the guy. He knows his work habits in both practice and games. He knows his personality. He has gone against him on a daily basis in practice. He knows what kind of teammate he is. I guarantee you if John and Pete are even considering the prospect of trading for him they have had conversations with Brown. It’s called due diligence.

While this sounds logical. I'm not sure if it works that way commonly. I think for certain team leaders (for example: Russel Wilson, Bobby Wagner), I could see the GM or Coach somewhat informally asking a player for their feedback.

But I could also see this as a bit of a conflict of interest between the player and the NFL Players Union. Sometimes, things get convoluted like that. I'd guess the GM / Coach need to tread more carefully than you might expect.

I don’t see how that would be a conflict of interest. I’m sure these types of conversations happen all the time between management and players. It happens in the business world all the time. No difference than a reference. I have no doubt that Johnand/or Pete have asked Brown what he thinks of Clowney as a player and teammate. Not that hard to imagine.

 

[kf3339]

I don't see why Duane Brown would have any special knowledge of the subject.
Anyone can compare Clooney to Clark. Just look on YouTube for yourself, links below.
I know OldHawkFan is old, and the 60's had great performers, but it might just be time for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 70's.

[youtube]mriXncI96lw[/youtube]
[youtube]Zx06XNfDvk0[/youtube]

Careful. I may have to take you out to the woodshed. My point about Duane Brown is that he has an insight to Clowney that can’t be obtained from YouTube, instagram, Snapchat or anything else you can find on the google machine. He knows the guy. He knows his work habits in both practice and games. He knows his personality. He has gone against him on a daily basis in practice. He knows what kind of teammate he is. I guarantee you if John and Pete are even considering the prospect of trading for him they have had conversations with Brown. It’s called due diligence.

While this sounds logical. I'm not sure if it works that way commonly. I think for certain team leaders (for example: Russel Wilson, Bobby Wagner), I could see the GM or Coach somewhat informally asking a player for their feedback.

But I could also see this as a bit of a conflict of interest between the player and the NFL Players Union. Sometimes, things get convoluted like that. I'd guess the GM / Coach need to tread more carefully than you might expect.

I don’t see how that would be a conflict of interest. I’m sure these types of conversations happen all the time between management and players. It happens in the business world all the time. No difference than a reference. I have no doubt that Johnand/or Pete have asked Brown what he thinks of Clowney as a player and teammate. Not that hard to imagine.

^This.

That would not even be closely considered a conflict of interest.

 

[RiverDog]

We currently have 12 picks in the 2020 draft, which has to be a record for us. It includes 2-#2's, 2-#3's, and 2-#4's.

I currently have us at 10 picks.

And I agree with your statement that we have 2-#2s, 2-#3s and 2-#4s but add our 1st rounder to get to 7 total and what we have left is our 5th (for 8 total) and then we have a 6th comp pick for losing Shamar Stephen and lastly a 7th comp pick for losing Brett Hundley. So that makes 10 total. (The comp picks are projections by overthecap.com.)

We previously traded our 6th round pick in 2020 to Jacksonville for the rights to draft John Ursua in 2019, and we traded our 7th round pick in 2020 to New England for TE Jacob Hollister, which I understand is a conditional pick with unspecified conditions so that one is a bit uncertain at this time.

Thanks for the correction. I just did a search and the info I found said we had 12.

But it doesn't change the nature of my point, which was that we have excess picks of which we could burn one or two and still not mortgage our future if we decided that we want to roll the dice on a player like Clowney.

And I agree with Chawker that a trade of some sort can be expected prior to the start of the regular season once our coaches can make a good determination as to which areas we're going to need some help at.