Report: Jim Harbaugh's act has 'worn thin' with 49ers

[loafoftatupu]

Did I just read some nonsense about Harbafreak being great in Boldin's opinion?

LMAO. Gee.. no shit. You mean the guy signing the contract thinks everything is just GREAT? What a revelation. I'm sure that the temptation to pack up and move again to a team that doesn't have chance had nothing to do with his feelings. No, unlike most of the league, Boldin thinks Harbafreak is just FINE. LOL.

 

[Marvin49]

I don't expect us to do it. Just sayin', it's a possibility. As long as we keep drafting like we have been, we will be able to sustain some good success at a minimum without having to rely on a ton of expensive guys after their rookie deals. Not something to count on, but obviously we've been drafting exceptionally well ever since the Pete Carroll & John Schneider regime started.

If we do manage to pull off the hat trick, though, I think I'm paying Aros to make me a custom ThreePete pic. :lol:

That bolded is the key, especially in the salary cap era.

The Niners of the 80's stayed good for so long because of that very reason. The Niners who won in 1981 and the Niners who won in 1989 were completely different teams. Joe was still QB and Ronniw was still at safety, but the rest of the roster was completely rebuilt.

Thats even more important in the salary cap era.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Seattle to keep drafting the way they have, but that's a tall order. Even the best drafting teams can't keep up that pace.

 

[Marvin49]

Did I just read some nonsense about Harbafreak being great in Boldin's opinion?

LMAO. Gee.. no shit. You mean the guy signing the contract thinks everything is just GREAT? What a revelation. I'm sure that the temptation to pack up and move again to a team that doesn't have chance had nothing to do with his feelings. No, unlike most of the league, Boldin thinks Harbafreak is just FINE. LOL.

To be fair...it wasn't just that he said it, its how adamant he was about it. He didn't really have to say much at all.

The interview with Harbaugh was pretty telling as wll. He NEVER talks about this stuff and he was pretty damn convincing. He said the same stuff to Ted Robinson, the 49ers play by play guy and Ted said he seemed very sincere. Now Ted is an employee of the 49ers so I take it with a grain, but Ted is more than just the voice of the 49ers. He covers many sports (including the Olympics and Tennis) so he's not just average Joe Schmoe 49ers lackey.

You guys won't see it that way. I know that. No worries. Peeps here and nationally will assume Harbaugh is lying. That's just the way this works.

As a Niner fan though it was nice to see Harbaugh come out and say something difinitive on a topic he almost never speaks about in public.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

......If we manage to win three in a row, I'm calling us the greatest dynasty ever.....

The 1960s Packers would disagree with you..... five championships in seven seasons....'61, '62, '65, '66 and '67 and those last three making them the only team in NFL history to win 3 championships in a row.

That was also a different era. When players played most if not their whole careers with one team.

None the less no other team from the pre-salary cap era won 5 in 7 years and 3 in a row. #1 dynasty in the history of the NFL in my eyes. It's named the "Lombardi" trophy for a reason.

 

[Subzero717]

......If we manage to win three in a row, I'm calling us the greatest dynasty ever.....

The 1960s Packers would disagree with you..... five championships in seven seasons....'61, '62, '65, '66 and '67 and those last three making them the only team in NFL history to win 3 championships in a row.

That was also a different era. When players played most if not their whole careers with one team.

None the less no other team from the pre-salary cap era won 5 in 7 years and 3 in a row. #1 dynasty in the history of the NFL in my eyes. It's named the "Lombardi" trophy for a reason.

No doubt about it. Simply stating that will never happen again so to compare one to the other is kind of silly. I think you need to look at all things and appreciate them at the time they were acomplished.

 

[RolandDeschain]

......If we manage to win three in a row, I'm calling us the greatest dynasty ever.....

The 1960s Packers would disagree with you..... five championships in seven seasons....'61, '62, '65, '66 and '67 and those last three making them the only team in NFL history to win 3 championships in a row.

They'd also not have had more than two during that time, most likely, in the modern era with free agency and the salary cap. They can disagree all they want, but there are vast differences between that time and now.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Did I just read some nonsense about Harbafreak being great in Boldin's opinion?

LMAO. Gee.. no shit. You mean the guy signing the contract thinks everything is just GREAT? What a revelation. I'm sure that the temptation to pack up and move again to a team that doesn't have chance had nothing to do with his feelings. No, unlike most of the league, Boldin thinks Harbafreak is just FINE. LOL.

To be fair...it wasn't just that he said it, its how adamant he was about it. He didn't really have to say much at all.

The interview with Harbaugh was pretty telling as wll. He NEVER talks about this stuff and he was pretty damn convincing. He said the same stuff to Ted Robinson, the 49ers play by play guy and Ted said he seemed very sincere. Now Ted is an employee of the 49ers so I take it with a grain, but Ted is more than just the voice of the 49ers. He covers many sports (including the Olympics and Tennis) so he's not just average Joe Schmoe 49ers lackey.

You guys won't see it that way. I know that. No worries. Peeps here and nationally will assume Harbaugh is lying. That's just the way this works.

As a Niner fan though it was nice to see Harbaugh come out and say something difinitive on a topic he almost never speaks about in public.

Yeah coaches are always 100% honest with the media.. :lol:

Didn't Harbaugh at one point say he wanted to stay at Stanford before taking off to the NFL? Or am I comparing him to Saban?

 

[onanygivensunday]

......If we manage to win three in a row, I'm calling us the greatest dynasty ever.....

The 1960s Packers would disagree with you..... five championships in seven seasons....'61, '62, '65, '66 and '67 and those last three making them the only team in NFL history to win 3 championships in a row.

They'd also not have had more than two during that time, most likely, in the modern era with free agency and the salary cap. They can disagree all they want, but there are vast differences between that time and now.

For example, in 1961 there were only 14 teams in the league.

Two additional teams added in 1966 and 1967 to make it (only) 16 teams... half of what we have now.

 

[Marvin49]

Did I just read some nonsense about Harbafreak being great in Boldin's opinion?

LMAO. Gee.. no shit. You mean the guy signing the contract thinks everything is just GREAT? What a revelation. I'm sure that the temptation to pack up and move again to a team that doesn't have chance had nothing to do with his feelings. No, unlike most of the league, Boldin thinks Harbafreak is just FINE. LOL.

To be fair...it wasn't just that he said it, its how adamant he was about it. He didn't really have to say much at all.

The interview with Harbaugh was pretty telling as wll. He NEVER talks about this stuff and he was pretty damn convincing. He said the same stuff to Ted Robinson, the 49ers play by play guy and Ted said he seemed very sincere. Now Ted is an employee of the 49ers so I take it with a grain, but Ted is more than just the voice of the 49ers. He covers many sports (including the Olympics and Tennis) so he's not just average Joe Schmoe 49ers lackey.

You guys won't see it that way. I know that. No worries. Peeps here and nationally will assume Harbaugh is lying. That's just the way this works.

As a Niner fan though it was nice to see Harbaugh come out and say something difinitive on a topic he almost never speaks about in public.

Yeah coaches are always 100% honest with the media.. :lol:

Didn't Harbaugh at one point say he wanted to stay at Stanford before taking off to the NFL? Or am I comparing him to Saban?

I don't think he said that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Not saying coaches are always 100% truthful, but when a guy comes out to dispel a rumor and he seldom discusses the subject at all, it also doesn't mean he's always lying either.

I happen to believe him but I also don't view him as the anti-christ as many in Seattle and the rest of the nation do.

What I have a problem with is this...and this happens with all teams in all sports so SF isn't special.

1) A guy hears a rumor and wants to report it.
2) He reports it before he has complete confirmation because he's afraid someone will beat him to it (and Florio admitted that).
3) Someone else has heard a similar rumor, so piggy backs the other guys story.
4) Now 2 people have heard a rumor and it begins to be reported everywhere that this is FACT.
5) Someone directly involved says the report isn't true and all of the sudden the words that he used specifically on Twitter no less are parsed to mean more than they were intended to mean.
6) A third guy has an opinion on the topic and speculates why the rumor might be true (with no basis in fact and not even a source no less).
7) National media now jumps on that guys juicy story and he's on the radio all over the nation and has just made a big name for himself.
8) Now that his story has so much pub, in the court of public opinion his speculation becomes FACT.
9) Now people start sniffing around looking for their own attention and hear innocuous stuff that really probably goes on on every team, but now in the light of the media spotlight its a chance to have their OWN spin and get their own attention.
10) Now when anyone speaks who is directly involved its automatically assumed they are lying simply because "its in their best interest". If they say ANYTHING that goes against what the juicy story is, its attacked.

Here's the problem. Whether or not the original rumor is true, the above process makes the court of public opinion view it ALL as certifiable FACT and anyone who says otherwise is either a homer or a liar. When reputable people say the rumor is NOT true, they are attacked, called lackeys, or are not "in the know".

It's the media machine.

Again....the story could be 100% true or 100% false and the above process still takes place.

For me, I'll listen to what the people involved say and see if it makes sense to me. Its one of the reasons I've never been on the Seadderall BS bandwagon and never said a word about Sherman and Adderall. He was ADAMANT about being innocent, challenged it, and won. Good for him. I can't stand the guy, but I beleave he was innocent. I don't think he's guilty just because its a juicier story (not saying you do, more thats what the media does).

 

[hox]

Marvin, it’s called damage control.

Look, the cat is out of the bag. It’s not in Harbaugh’s best interest have all this drama be public knowledge, especially not at this juncture. It’s not healthy for the team, nor his future with the team.

Of course he wants to be paid more.

Of course he wants to have more say in personnel decisions.

The simple fact that he had to lobby for Boldin to be re-signed speaks volumes about his working relationship with the GM. They are often not on the same page.

I would assume he’s smart and has become increasing aware of his public image. You’ll notice that he’s more open and joking with the media lately. I think that’s deliberate.

So yes, his act has been wearing thin in 9er land. Now he’s saying everything he can to not only salvage the relationship, but also improve his public image.

If there’s anything for certain that we know about Harbaugh, it’s that he’s ultra competitive. And he knows his best chance for the ultimate prize, at this juncture, is to make it work with the 49ers.

 

[Marvin49]

Marvin, it’s called damage control.

Look, the cat is out of the bag. It’s not in Harbaugh’s best interest have all this drama be public knowledge, especially not at this juncture. It’s not healthy for the team, nor his future with the team.

Of course he wants to be paid more.

Of course he wants to have more say in personnel decisions.

The simple fact that he had to lobby for Boldin to be re-signed speaks volumes about his working relationship with the GM. They are often not on the same page.

I would assume he’s smart and has become increasing aware of his public image. You’ll notice that he’s more open and joking with the media lately. I think that’s deliberate.

So yes, his act has been wearing thin in 9er land. Now he’s saying everything he can to not only salvage the relationship, but also improve his public image.

If there’s anything for certain that we know about Harbaugh, it’s that he’s ultra competitive. And he knows his best chance for the ultimate prize, at this juncture, is to make it work with the 49ers.

...and thats exactly what I mean.

Its reported so therefore it MUST be true. If he refutes any of it, he MUST be lying. This isn't a prob specifically with Seattle fans I have here, its an issue I have with the media in general. Its sensationalism.

As for what Harbaugh wants, I'm sure he'd like to make more money but not at the expense of his fellow coaches. that was what he was trying to say when interviewed. Power? Honestly, I don't buy that one. I don't think he wants the GM job. Maybe he would like a DIFFERENT GM (only he could answer that), but he's always been a team guy...as in he doesn't view any one guy as THE guy.

For example, they don't have just one playcaller. they did the same at Stanford. One guy coordinated the run game and a different guy coordinated the pass game. Those guys at Stanford BTW were Greg Roman and David Shaw. He doesn't seek to take all the credit and usually heaps it on others. He deligates. He doesn't try to take on everything. He assembles the best staff he can and he uses them. I remember a great run play in the regular season Giants game in 2010. harbaugh made it a point to say that the call actually came from the assistant offensive line coach.

I guess all I can say is that you MAY be right that its damage control, but I don't take the stance that he's automatically lying because it goes against the media frenzy and a juicy story. Those directly involved have been shooting this thing down from the beginning and people don't listen to them mainly because they just don't want to.


Lobbying for Boldin.....another PERFECT example of what I'm talking about. Who said he HAD to lobby for him. He was asked a question in a press conference and he said he'd lobby for his guys...Boldin in particular. Who says that Baalke didn't want him back already? It seemed pretty much like a forgone conclusion he was coming back and Baalke said all along he was their #1 priority.

Why don't you know that already? Because the media thinks its a more interesting story if they spin it another way.

This is my problem.

Niners are story of the week right now and the vultures are picking for scraps.


Another case in point about the media?

A few days ago twitter started going nuts because someone found out that JOHN York and Trent Baalke were flying to Miami. They had scheduled a private jet. OMG, then it was reported Maraag Marathe was on teh plain too...and then a 49ers Lawyer.

OMG, the 49ers are flying to Miami to trade Jim Harbaugh to the Dolphins. I sh*t you not, this story was out there. Even one of the horrific Cohns reported on it.

Jed York say this and posted a picture of himself, his toddler son, and his wife ON THE PLANE. LOL. He said somethiong to the effect of "Sources reporting that if Jed York spent all his time responding to media BS, he's have no time for anything else".

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Here's the problem. Whether or not the original rumor is true, the above process makes the court of public opinion view it ALL as certifiable FACT and anyone who says otherwise is either a homer or a liar. When reputable people say the rumor is NOT true, they are attacked, called lackeys, or are not "in the know".

What's the old adage, the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.

My guess is Harbaugh's contract extension talks didn't quite go as he planned, so the Niners entertained trading him to Cleveland, finally decided against it.......and now everyone made nice.

Probably not a big deal, but there's definitely something there.

 

[Marvin49]

Here's the problem. Whether or not the original rumor is true, the above process makes the court of public opinion view it ALL as certifiable FACT and anyone who says otherwise is either a homer or a liar. When reputable people say the rumor is NOT true, they are attacked, called lackeys, or are not "in the know".

What's the old adage, the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.

My guess is Harbaugh's contract extension talks didn't quite go as he planned, so the Niners entertained trading him to Cleveland, finally decided against it.......and now everyone made nice.

Probably not a big deal, but there's definitely something there.

I know there was contract talk last year. I know there will be contract talk this year.

Lombardi in CLE is a friend of Harbaugh and probably thought a last ditch effort to get him to CLE might save his job.

I'm sure York or Baalke took the call and dismissed it pretty quickly...but Lombardi probably reported to their owner that there was abetter shot at this happening than there ever truly was. Remember...Lombardi was trying to save his job.

Lombardis done this before BTW...he made cracks after he didn't get the GM job in SF.

I'm sure there is fristion between baalke and Harbaugh....but this media frenzy is just a bunch of BS to me.

 

[Largent80]

Maybe the 'Baugh would like to come to Seattle and work under Pete.

 

[Sports Hernia]

They'd have to have a "time out" box that Pete could send him to after one of Jimmy's famous tantrums . 8)

 

[loafoftatupu]

I would genuinely miss Harbafreak if he wasn't the coach of the Niners. This guy's facial expression when the Hawks ruin his day is eternal joy.

He goes all crazy over the little things and when some major crap happens he just gets that "look" and I for one love it. When Chokernick threw the pick previous to "The Tip" I zoomed in on Harbs. I love the guy.

Of course nothing was more priceless than "The Tip", but it was Kaeperstank with the look then and I totally loved that TV captured it.

Without Harbafreak it just wouldn't be as fun. I hope it all works out.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Marvin.. I hope that your ergo setup is that of a pro. I would hate to see your wrist needing surgery with all the pro-Niner defense work you do.

All to entertain us Hawks fans and show us what is really going down in SF. Cause we can't figure it out ourselves.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Did I just read some nonsense about Harbafreak being great in Boldin's opinion?

LMAO. Gee.. no shit. You mean the guy signing the contract thinks everything is just GREAT? What a revelation. I'm sure that the temptation to pack up and move again to a team that doesn't have chance had nothing to do with his feelings. No, unlike most of the league, Boldin thinks Harbafreak is just FINE. LOL.

To be fair...it wasn't just that he said it, its how adamant he was about it. He didn't really have to say much at all.

To be fair the guy was in the process of guaranteed money as a seasoned vet nearing the end of his career. He felt the need to bolster that signing. Cause Harbafreak is obviously not an issue at all in SF.

It doesn't even matter, if there wasn't an issue (and I think there is) the media will make sure there is now.

 

[Marvin49]

Did I just read some nonsense about Harbafreak being great in Boldin's opinion?

LMAO. Gee.. no shit. You mean the guy signing the contract thinks everything is just GREAT? What a revelation. I'm sure that the temptation to pack up and move again to a team that doesn't have chance had nothing to do with his feelings. No, unlike most of the league, Boldin thinks Harbafreak is just FINE. LOL.

To be fair...it wasn't just that he said it, its how adamant he was about it. He didn't really have to say much at all.

To be fair the guy was in the process of guaranteed money as a seasoned vet nearing the end of his career. He felt the need to bolster that signing. Cause Harbafreak is obviously not an issue at all in SF.

It doesn't even matter, if there wasn't an issue (and I think there is) the media will make sure there is now.

As I said before. You guys won't believe it. The juicy story about a crumbling rival is much more fun.

For the record tho, I honestly don't know if the stories are true about the "almost" trade or the friction between Harbaugh and Baalke. I tend to think thats its way overblown, but I don't know for sure.

What I do know for sure though is that the media tends to blow stuff up for ratings, mouse-clicks, or what have you and nothing does that faster than making a big deal out of very little at all. That in itself doesn't mean there is no truth to any of the rumors, but the media storm is just rediculous.

People say stuff like "of course harbaugh is lying. Its in his best interest". For some reason tho, they never mention that the STORY ITSELF was published for the best interest of the guy who posted it. Its in HIS best interest to keep the story alive, accuse an owner of being a liar, etc. Florio even admitted he published the story when he did because he was afraid someone would beat him to it. LOL. The media isn't just trying to report the news....they are scrambling to get attention in one form or another. One guy reports something, another guy reports that the first guy reported it. Now the third guy says multiple sources report it. Next thing you know its a fact and anyone refuting it gets the ""its in their best interest to lie" treatment.

In that instance, it really doesn't matter what the truth is anymore because its gone by the wayside. All that matters is the PERCEPTION of the truth.

The last bolded part there is exactly my point. MEDIA is in the business of making itself the story now. Its sad.

 

[Subzero717]

Maybe the 'Baugh would like to come to Seattle and work under Pete.

As his toilet flusher.