Report: Harvin had Cortisone shot in hip over weekend.

[lvnginhwktwn]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

Question for you, years ago when playing I had typical sports injuries, knees, elbows, etc. My Dr. gave me cortisone shots, but this was for temporary relief not for long term, my Dr cautioned against using cortisone long term because he said cortisone used long term can break down the joints and lead to arthritis later. What's your opinion?

 

[Largent80]

Word on Percy all along was that he will not play if he is feeling anything less than 100%. Hate to say it, but now that he has been paid it probably becomes far less likely he will ever attempt to play through any sort of pain.

Are you aware of how his deal is structured?

http://overthecap.com/thoughts-on-the-p ... -contract/

The Hawks have an out after 2 years if they need to. He will have to work to earn more than the first 2 years of the deal.

Nice. $25 million guaranteed for 2 seasons (really at most it would be 1 season and some change) would certainly make me happy.

Do

 

[Sports Hernia]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

Thank you for posting this information. :th2thumbs:
It's nice to hear from someone that actually deals with this.


I'm not a real doctor, but I play one on the .net.

 

[hawk45]

Word on Percy all along was that he will not play if he is feeling anything less than 100%. Hate to say it, but now that he has been paid it probably becomes far less likely he will ever attempt to play through any sort of pain.

Are you aware of how his deal is structured?

http://overthecap.com/thoughts-on-the-p ... -contract/

The Hawks have an out after 2 years if they need to. He will have to work to earn more than the first 2 years of the deal.

Nice. $25 million guaranteed for 2 seasons (really at most it would be 1 season and some change) would certainly make me happy.

Do

I don't understand, doesn't it make sense to look at worst case scenario and predict whether the contract would cripple us forever or whether the damage wouldn't be too bad?

And doesn't it also make sense to evaluate player performance against what they're paid and how similarly-paid players are performing around the league?

Many get displeased with players routinely who don't play up to their contract. Contracts have a lot to do with whether a guy is a great value or a huge drain. This is true pretty much everywhere, not just in the heads of fans.

 

[kmedic]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

Question for you, years ago when playing I had typical sports injuries, knees, elbows, etc. My Dr. gave me cortisone shots, but this was for temporary relief not for long term, my Dr cautioned against using cortisone long term because he said cortisone used long term can break down the joints and lead to arthritis later. What's your opinion?

Yes, you do not want to be using cortisone or any other steroid in the body for long periods of time. Too many bad side effects. They are great for attacking inflammation short term, but if you need something more long term, ie for chronic arthritis or autoimmune disease, it's not the answer.

 

[Nearpost]

I also have always thought that cortizone shots were more a short term "emergency" fix. If I"m the saints I would expect him to play.

 

[Missing_Clink]

Do

I don't really understand your point here other than it appears that it was meant to be insulting. I'm saying that based on what you said about how his contract is structured, Percy gets $25 mil over he next 2 seasons no matter how many games he plays or sits out. He's probably pretty happy about making that kind of dough. I know I would be. Anyways, I am an attorney. I don't work for wal mart.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't really understand your point here other than it appears that it was meant to be insulting. I'm saying that based on what you said about how his contract is structured, Percy gets $25 mil over he next 2 seasons no matter how many games he plays or sits out. He's probably pretty happy about making that kind of dough. I know I would be. Anyways, I am an attorney. I don't work for wal mart.

AP wouldn't call Harvin the best player he's ever played with, and Harvin wouldn't be the on field bad ass that he is if he didn't care about the game.

So not sure where you're coming from on this opinion. This isn't Ricky Williams we're talking about.

 

[brimsalabim]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

thanks... Any idea why he didn't have the shot a week or two ago?

 

[Largent80]

Do you work at Walmart?....Because I remember you getting down on Rice because of his contract.....What difference does a friggin contract make to you besides everything?....Give this a rest please.

I don't really understand your point here other than it appears that it was meant to be insulting. I'm saying that based on what you said about how his contract is structured, Percy gets $25 mil over he next 2 seasons no matter how many games he plays or sits out. He's probably pretty happy about making that kind of dough. I know I would be. Anyways, I am an attorney. I don't work for wal mart.

Well then, an attorney that thinks about money and nothing else, there ya have it.

I am concerned about THIS YEAR, not the future, maybe you should too?

 

[Cartire]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

thanks... Any idea why he didn't have the shot a week or two ago?

This is why this report by PFT is dumb. He could have had the shot during the game last week and it wasn't news then just like it's not news now. We don't need to know about every non-contrevsial thing that is put in his body. Getting one of these shots is far more common for athletes then some people seem to realize. You can gauruntee that Percy has plenty of other prescribed medications he's on right now that are just as unreportable as this should be. All this has done is created more unnessacary speculation.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

thanks... Any idea why he didn't have the shot a week or two ago?

This is why this report by PFT is dumb. He could have had the shot during the game last week and it wasn't news then just like it's not news now. We don't need to know about every non-contrevsial thing that is put in his body. Getting one of these shots is far more common for athletes then some people seem to realize. You can gauruntee that Percy has plenty of other prescribed medications he's on right now that are just as unreportable as this should be. All this has done is created more unnessacary speculation.

Err, I'd say that Harvin still having discomfort in his surgically repaired hip two weeks after barely playing................ and now needing cortisone shots is newsworthy.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

thanks... Any idea why he didn't have the shot a week or two ago?

This is why this report by PFT is dumb. He could have had the shot during the game last week and it wasn't news then just like it's not news now. We don't need to know about every non-contrevsial thing that is put in his body. Getting one of these shots is far more common for athletes then some people seem to realize. You can gauruntee that Percy has plenty of other prescribed medications he's on right now that are just as unreportable as this should be. All this has done is created more unnessacary speculation.

Err, I'd say that Harvin still having discomfort in his surgically repaired hip two weeks after barely playing................ and now needing cortisone shots is newsworthy.

This. A lot of us feel this way evidenced by the length of this thread.

I find the speculation fun.

 

[Axx]

Cortisone, Isn't that a steroid?
Looks like Pete is already juicing up his players. ~31 other NFL teams.

 

[kmedic]

Cortisone, Isn't that a steroid?
Looks like Pete is already juicing up his players. ~31 other NFL teams.

Cortisone is a type of steroid but it is not an anabolic steroid like HGH, etc.

 

[kmedic]

I'm a physician and inject steroids all the time for inflammation. Most likely the pain and discomfort Percy is feeling is likely from inflammation- the shot then should help Percy. Realize that while cortisone directly decreases inflammation, it does not heal any possible structural damage (that's what the surgery is for). From what I have heard recently, Percy has gotten follow up MRI's and there has been no recurrent structural damage to the hip. It appears that Percy is feeling pain and may have limited range of motion simply because of an exaggerated inflammatory response to overworking the healing joint during the Vikings game. The cortisone should help that. A cortisone shot like this could start working right away, ie in a day or two, so depending on how well he reacts to it, it's theoretically possible he could play tonight. On the other hand, it usually takes a week or two to really work (or it might not work at all sometimes), so he likely he will need some more time.

thanks... Any idea why he didn't have the shot a week or two ago?

You don't typically go to a cortisone shot the first sign of inflammation. You try conservative measures first like non-steroidals (ibuprofen, etc.), rehab, and rest. After those fail, then you start thinking about getting a cortisone shot.

 

[plyka]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/02/report-percy-harvin-had-cortisone-injection-in-hip-over-the-weekend/

We can now move on bad begin speculating ok whether he'll play @49ers now

The unfortunate reality of the situation is --and I've been saying this the entire year --the Harvin purchase was a huge mistake, only overshadowed by the Rice purchase. The reason? I know Bevell had a huge say in both, because as the OC he felt comfortable with both players having coached them at Minnisota. That alone doesn't make it a mistake, but it is a bad sign. Not because I dislike Bevell, but because when you restrict your horizon to only things you personally feel comfortable in, you're making an error in judgement. People often invest in Starbucks because they work at Starbucks. Just because you work there and feel comfortable there, it doesn't make it a good investment. This is allowing emotions to butt in over reason/logic.

What is the problem with both these players? They are made from absolute glass. And I can see why. Both of them are incredible athletes (were in Rice's case), but the reason they are such athletes is due to their incredibly slight frame. I had a good friend in highschool who could literally jump out of the gym, so quick on the football field and on the court --you could just see his quickness by looking at his ankles which were literally 3 inches in diameter. Mine were like 10 inches. I didn't have the "quick titch" muscles, at least not to his extent, but then again I never got injured. This guy would get injured walking in the lunchroom --roll his ankle once he is out for a couple weeks, horsing around he would sprain his knee, etc. Percy is definitely the same except times 100. Just look at his skinny ass legs. You can just tell he has those skinny ankles. And forget about my random eye test of skinny ankles, look at his career thus far --he has been in the training room more time than on the field.

For however long Percy is here, expect him to be injured for most of the time. I was hoping he would come back late in teh season and struggle to not get injured through the playoffs. I thought 7 games, he could do it. But now I really don't think so. I expect them to put him on IR this year, he will probably play 5-6 games next year before another injury. It's the price he pays for his incredible athletic ability.

 

[Dtowers]

Wow. You people are nuts.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

I think the best way to avoid it is to leave Percy in the garage as long as we can.

Nice sentiment, but have you seen what he's charging? The parking meter rate is spinning like the propeller on a model airplane!

 

[The Radish]

Ok people, lets put a stop to the name calling. Next one gets this thread locked.

:roll: