Redskins logo edited out during game

[Crizilla]

Pmedic is right. Censorship opens up a can of worms. It's a never ending discussion of what should be censored and what shouldn't be. How do you know who's "right"? The side with the most hurt feelings? The Chiefs,.Blackhawks and Braves are probably next to get a rebranding. Indigenous tribes weren't perfectly holy beings, btw. Nobody is.

 

[chris98251]

We are a Hypocrisy of a society, we the Boomers and Gen Xers made this problem with protecting the generations after from having not to confront adversity, and challenges making life easy for them. If Google, AI, can't find the answer for them they blame or quit. You are special you don't have to accept being treated that way etc etc etc having been drilled into their heads. Yes we wanted better for them then we had, but we had it pretty good, I am on the Naked edge considered a Boomer, Sept 1959, Gen X 1960 I believe, I missed a lot those before me could take advantage of, but was able to coattail a few before the dynamics shifted too two income households. Where the explosion hit that really affected the next generations.

 

[chris98251]

Where are they going?

Actually many to Europe and the Netherlands. Less chaos, better standard of living and quality of life if you can swing it. Others too Mexico, and some of the South American countries and then there is Guam and even Viet Nam is seeing a influx.

 

[pmedic920]

You know what worse than being 'woke'?

The fact that this place was asleep for so long.

180 years of the country massacring the natuvr people eho lived here, enslaving people who had nothing to do with the place. Then 100 more, establihing laws from a constitution that had to be amended to qualify men as equal. Hanging people from trees. Bombing their homes to drive them out neighborhoods they had every right to live in. Passing laws to prevent them from owning property. Allowing narcotics from other countries to be dropped in neighborhoods of color to maintain our very own, western 'caste' system. Liquor fed into Native peoples lands freely, but quality schools and other businesses held up. 'Breeding' native blood out of land owning native peoples to take their land and their rights, hanging folks from trees, burning them. Native peoples being denied the roght to practice traditions Mexicans being doused with gasoline and or DDT and in some cases set on fire to remove lice from them before being allowed to immigrate here.

Even in this league, trying to prove black players couldnt play qb to the point our very own Warren Moon had to play in Canada for years before getting a shot in the US. Black players not being granted medical claims around brain injury on the grounds they werent as smart as white players to begin with. Black QBs STILL being regarded as no quick enough at processing information...

Now 6o years since equal rights, 50 since fair housing, still no acknowledgement as to how drugs so easily get into certain neighborhoods in tbis country, it was just 1968 that the Native American Civil Rights Act was passed (but crap schools are still there, the alcohol is still there and native children disappear at a disproportionate rate on reservations).

... and 4 years since the NFL acknowledge 'race-norming' around brain injury.

And folks are getting upset over an Fing racist logo / team name being censored?

I dont even think they should censor it. Disallowed? Yes. But No - better to leave it to remind us all of how disgustingly 'sleep' and ignorantly blind this place (for all its promise) had been in TRULY ackowledging how UN EQUAL it continues to be.

60 years out of 250 of half hearted equality and people are annoyed at a logo being censored, 2 years after it was cancelled.

And 'wokeness' is the problem...

Well written response.

Lots to unpack, some I agree with some I don’t but well written nonetheless.

For starters, what you call a “racist logo” only became “racist” as the woke culture emerged.

History is history, some good, some bad and it’s all a matter of perspective.

IMO, attempting to hide or erase any portion of our history is a big mistake, we need to learn from things that are or were wrong.

I do believe making something into “a wrong” simply because the vocal minority says it’s wrong is also a mistake.

“Woke culture” makes some valid points, it also makes some ludicrous ones.

Blindly accepting whatever stance woke culture takes seems absurd to me.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Thank you for that thoughtful reply.
Indigenous people, with their own languages and cultures that predate colonists are not mascots. It's offensive.

It's a start in reconciliation.

It begs the question though as to how people become offended by mascots. The Patriots have basically made charicaturized mascots out of English speaking Americans descended from Europe, yet that group of people doesn't seem to care. So what is the difference?

 

[NoGain]

Why not?

Because it doesn’t fix any problems.

It just makes you unaware/ignorant of the problems.

First of all, I could care less about the Redskins logo issue. I personally like their old unis and think the Commanders was kind of a bland name. But if a solid majority of the native American population found the logo offensive, I'm supportive of them getting rid of it. That's just common sense and human decency to me.

I'm not ignorant or unaware of the problems today. If anything, I'm too aware of them, too aware of problems that are beyond my control to change. Not paying attention to the national news, or political noise of the day, I've decided is a psychologically healthy course for me at this time and juncture of my life. Do I really need to take in another school shooting and senselessly unproductive debate about gun control? Do I really need to keep my mind glued to the ignorance and stupidity of our current national discourse?

No. I've decided to keep my focus on things closer to me now, things I can have an actual impact on, like my loved ones, my students, my coworkers, my personal health, local problems and issues which I can in some small way be part of a solution.

 

[keasley45]

Well written response.

Lots to unpack, some I agree with some I don’t but well written nonetheless.

For starters, what you call a “racist logo” only became “racist” as the woke culture emerged.

History is history, some good, some bad and it’s all a matter of perspective.

IMO, attempting to hide or erase any portion of our history is a big mistake, we need to learn from things that are or were wrong.

I do believe making something into “a wrong” simply because the vocal minority says it’s wrong is also a mistake.

“Woke culture” makes some valid points, it also makes some ludicrous ones.

Blindly accepting whatever stance woke culture takes seems absurd to me.

Thanks, but...

It was always racist.

To say it wasnt is like saying 'Sambo' was fine until enough 'activist -types' decided to
be offended by it.

Fact is, many of the protests launched against offenses like the Redskins logo existed from the beginning but never saw the light of day because of the oppsressive weight of a power structure that has worked from the beginning to keep certain voices suppressed.

The first known protest was made in 1972 in response to branding elements and the fight song.

The History and the Controversy of the Washington Redskins Name and Logo

The Washington Redskins are, following some significant corporate pressure, reportedly considering a name change. This is a frequently debated topic with each s

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It was in 1988 that the first organized protest of the logo was launched. Hardly the woke culture.

It only took 33 more years to have anything done about it and its been 52 years since the league was made aware that elements of the name, song and logo were offensive.

Why didnt it happened sooner? Same reason it took 100 years after slavery for Blacks to gain equal rights.

It didnt all of a sudden strike folks that it was a crap idea that they werent equal before then.

'Woke' is just a 2020s, less racially targeted, more universal, more empowered, if sometimes a bit misguided version of the 'uppity' label that used to fly around in the 60s - to the extent that it covered folks who refused to let inequality be casually swept under the rug and wanted to shed a light on it.

Problem is wokeness has been hijacked by the counter-woke to blanket chastise any and every effort to try to move things into the light and correct ills.

There are idiots in every movement. That fact doesnt negate the more important fact that people need to wake up and see what is and has been happening in this country and why theyve been encouraged to 'sleep' from the beginning.

 

[chris98251]

We spend more time and money trying not to offend people these days based on these movements then ever, god forbid stating something directly, hold people responsible and accountable and having them point a finger at you and say their feelings got hurt because you were too direct doing it and throwing the attention on the person calling you on something rather then just owning it.

We have circular accusations that go round and round till it finally stops at its intended destination these days, how much time and money it wastes I don't think is being looked at.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Our society has turned into a bunch of whiners and soft mentality, I love my country, but it is embarrassing these days to say I live here due to the Society we TOLERATE these days. No wonder so many are leaving.

That word…. Tolerate

 

[Sperrydogg]

Where are they going?

Space?

 

[Cyrus12]

Space?

The final frontier...

 

[projectorfreak]

All of my friends in grade school were either japanese , chinese , philipino , black or trailer trash and My single mom house was just getting by then when my mom got married I became a red headed step child and even the special ed kids (at the time , damn I'm old ) made fun of me but it was just what we did then and it was never really personal or at least I never took it that way
I just wish people wouldn't get so upset over little things as long as they aren't hurting anyone or being actually demeaning but that can be a slippery slope
I just don't think I can tell anyone what to do or how to live and expect the same and no matter what or who they become it's ok as ya gotta live your own life and nobody can do that for you but the commanders is a crap name , they probably should've asked the indigineous tribes what moniker would've been more respectable
Comanches would've sounded good but who knows
Until everyone is treated with respect it'll never change and I feel like that time has truly passed us by

 

[keasley45]

All of my friends in grade school were either japanese , chinese , philipino , black or trailer trash and My single mom house was just getting by then when my mom got married I became a red headed step child and even the special ed kids (at the time , damn I'm old ) made fun of me but it was just what we did then and it was never really personal or at least I never took it that way
I just wish people wouldn't get so upset over little things as long as they aren't hurting anyone or being actually demeaning but that can be a slippery slope
I just don't think I can tell anyone what to do or how to live and expect the same and no matter what or who they become it's ok as ya gotta live your own life and nobody can do that for you but the commanders is a crap name , they probably should've asked the indigineous tribes what moniker would've been more respectable
Comanches would've sounded good but who knows
Until everyone is treated with respect it'll never change and I feel like that time has truly passed us by

Well said.

We complain about people 'whining' about this or that (and i agree that some of these 'movements' are, to a degree, caught up in themselves rather than movong toward real, sustainable, equitable change) but the vast majority of folks in this country have not walked in the shoes of those who have been oppressed. And those who are aware often dont know the full extent of the prejudice becaise the system is designed to not show it.

The most heinous system of slavery is the one where the enslaved actually believe they are free. And sadly, in 2025 the system has been so successful in veiling the truth, that its leveraged hatred, resentment and animous to keep the system in tact when the REAL issue should be the question of WHY there was a problem to begin with, if it was ever really corrected and WHO GAINS FROM THE DIVISION AND CONTINUED OPPRESSION.

Sadly, i think things are going to get a lot worse before people see the real issue and true change can happen.

 

[keasley45]

We spend more time and money trying not to offend people these days based on these movements then ever, god forbid stating something directly, hold people responsible and accountable and having them point a finger at you and say their feelings got hurt because you were too direct doing it and throwing the attention on the person calling you on something rather then just owning it.

We have circular accusations that go round and round till it finally stops at its intended destination these days, how much time and money it wastes I don't think is being looked at.

That doesnt mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. The backlash at 'woke' culture is resulting in progress made in actually creating equality.

But thats the grand plan to begin with. Divide and conquer. Turn someone elses pain into another's 'inconvenience' or real problem so that they are distracted from what the real issue is.

 

[CouchLogic]

Here's my novel concept, I stay in my lane and keep my days out yalls week [lol]. Life is so nice without all the distractions.

 

[Appyhawk]

Today is the anniversary of Wounded Knee, which is still a fresh story for many of us.

Wounded Knee Massacre of December 29th,1890 - 134th Anniversary

The Sand Creek Massacre and the Washita Massacre both led to the Wounded Knee Massacre. The Sand Creek Massacre brought the realization that “the soldiers were destroying everything Cheyenne - the land, the buffalo, and the people themselves,” and the...

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Hang down your head Tom Dooly.

 

[Ozzy]

I think we need to tread lightly telling a group of people how they “should” feel. Didn’t native Americans petition to get the name back? If I’m correct then blurring it out because we think they should be offended is wrong. This was never an issue for us to decide for someone else. If the vast majority want it then leave it alone or bring it back because in that scenario they’re not offended by it.

 

[Palmegranite]

The name was opposed by the National Congress of American Indians, which said in 2013 that it represented 1.2 million people in its member tribes.

 

[keasley45]

I think we need to tread lightly telling a group of people how they “should” feel. Didn’t native Americans petition to get the name back? If I’m correct then blurring it out because we think they should be offended is wrong. This was never an issue for us to decide for someone else. If the vast majority want it then leave it alone or bring it back because in that scenario they’re not offended by it.

There were also slaves who chose to remain in servitude of their masters. Thats not a reason to bring slavery back.

The overplaying of a small group of indigenous peoples who arent offended by the flag is just that. Has nothing to do with the fact that its offensive.

Imagine the Germans had a sports club called the Kikes that had a cool logo and team song. Woukd the fact that a few Jews (relative) chose to standup for the name be more important than the fact that the name is offenseive to begin with?its not just Indigenous peoples who should be offended.

We are talking about the term used to describe the number of dead indians one could claim to have killed

"The term red-skin was, in fact used in conjunction with scalp hunting in the 19th century. In 1863 a Winona, Minnesota, newspaper, the Daily Republican, printed an announcement: "The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east of the Red River are worth."

How is EVERY human being who claims to be aware of the atrocities commited against the Native peoples of this country NOT be offended by the fact that we, as a society could be so Fing stupid as to put that name and an indian face on a football uniform?

Why? Because the chant is cool and there's a tradition of winning around it?

 

[Cyrus12]

Although the name should of been changed there was zero reason to cancel the logo. The woke wave cancel culture took this down...what about the Chiefs and the tomahawk chop...that seems to be a serious stereotype...oh ya they are America's liberal darling right now with the backing of the most powerful celeb on the planet...nevermind all good...