Realistic Expectations for Sam Howell

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Let's dive into what realistic expectations for Sam Howell's recent performance should be, especially considering the chatter about his lack of first-team reps and how much that could explain what happened.

To set the record straight, I'm not giving up on Howell just yet. I didn't think the trade for him was a mistake then, and I don't now. Yes, his performance in the last game was bad (really bad as you'll see below), but it's premature to expect him to be fully prepared this season.

Now, onto setting realistic benchmarks for a backup quarterback like Howell. I think a useful metric to consider is Success Rate, which gauges the frequency of plays that advance the offense. This doesn't necessarily mean scoring touchdowns or completing long passes, just consistently making positive plays. While the 'average' success rate fluctuates, starting QBs this year have an average of around 46%.

So, comparing Howell to other backups who were suddenly called to action can provide some perspective.

In Week 2, Buffalo vs. Miami, Tua Tagovailoa exited in the third quarter with a 58% success rate. His replacement, Skylar Thompson, managed a 40% success rate.

Similarly, in Week 9, Las Vegas vs. Cincinnati, Desmond Ridder replaced Gardner Minshew, who had a 50% success rate (taking advantage of that Cinci defense), and Ridder's success rate fell to 35%.

These examples show that backup quarterbacks typically perform about a third less effectively than the starters they replace. This trend is consistent, with backups who haven't started a game falling short by an average of 28% compared to an average starter's success rate.

This brings us to Howell. Geno was achieving a 52% success rate before he exited the game: Howell--16%. A 69% decrease. This decline is not just bad; it's ridiculously bad.

So, for those who thought Howell looked really bad, even considering the circumstances, congrats: you were right. He was really bad, even when considering the circumstances.

So the question is: why am I not giving up on Howell? Because I fully expected that basically any quarterback, given our Offensive Line and Offensive Coordinator, would look really bad.

There's a common argument that if Geno is truly a good quarterback, he should elevate the performance of the offensive line and the team's overall baseline. This game should serve as a reminder that this is what's happening. It showcases the stark contrast when a less skilled quarterback takes the field behind this line, especially when asked to just pass from shotgun a bajillion times in a row.

Of course, it's also fair to just think Howell sucks.

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For funsies, here's one more backup to starter success rate comparison:

Week 5, 2021: Los Angeles vs. Seattle
Geno Smith comes in for Russell Wilson. Russ had a 50% success rate. Geno had 52%.

A 4% improvement. So, yeah. There's that.
 

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Let's dive into what realistic expectations for Sam Howell's recent performance should be, especially considering the chatter about his lack of first-team reps and how much that could explain what happened.

To set the record straight, I'm not giving up on Howell just yet. I didn't think the trade for him was a mistake then, and I don't now. Yes, his performance in the last game was bad (really bad as you'll see below), but it's premature to expect him to be fully prepared this season.

Now, onto setting realistic benchmarks for a backup quarterback like Howell. I think a useful metric to consider is Success Rate, which gauges the frequency of plays that advance the offense. This doesn't necessarily mean scoring touchdowns or completing long passes, just consistently making positive plays. While the 'average' success rate fluctuates, starting QBs this year have an average of around 46%.

So, comparing Howell to other backups who were suddenly called to action can provide some perspective.

In Week 2, Buffalo vs. Miami, Tua Tagovailoa exited in the third quarter with a 58% success rate. His replacement, Skylar Thompson, managed a 40% success rate.

Similarly, in Week 9, Las Vegas vs. Cincinnati, Desmond Ridder replaced Gardner Minshew, who had a 50% success rate (taking advantage of that Cinci defense), and Ridder's success rate fell to 35%.

These examples show that backup quarterbacks typically perform about a third less effectively than the starters they replace. This trend is consistent, with backups who haven't started a game falling short by an average of 28% compared to an average starter's success rate.

This brings us to Howell. Geno was achieving a 52% success rate before he exited the game: Howell--16%. A 69% decrease. This decline is not just bad; it's ridiculously bad.

So, for those who thought Howell looked really bad, even considering the circumstances, congrats: you were right. He was really bad, even when considering the circumstances.

So the question is: why am I not giving up on Howell? Because I fully expected that basically any quarterback, given our Offensive Line and Offensive Coordinator, would look really bad.

There's a common argument that if Geno is truly a good quarterback, he should elevate the performance of the offensive line and the team's overall baseline. This game should serve as a reminder that this is what's happening. It showcases the stark contrast when a less skilled quarterback takes the field behind this line, especially when asked to just pass from shotgun a bajillion times in a row.

Of course, it's also fair to just think Howell sucks.

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For funsies, here's one more backup to starter success rate comparison:

Week 5, 2021: Los Angeles vs. Seattle
Geno Smith comes in for Russell Wilson. Russ had a 50% success rate. Geno had 52%.

A 4% improvement. So, yeah. There's that.
A pile of ice cold water poured over Howell fanboys on Sunday, two days later, ice crystals still sticking on those faces. Hollow voices whispering "It's cold in here" could still be heard if one focuses.
 

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Looks like Geno is going to play, so it's a non-factor. I've never once said Howell is better or was the answer. Def. wanted to see him a few times the way Geno was playing. But he's not nearly as good as Geno. And that's not saying much. IF Geno finishes out the season, we have a legit shot to make playoffs.
This, to me, just doesn't look like a playoff team. They guy pushed around too often.
 

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Looks like Geno is going to play, so it's a non-factor. I've never once said Howell is better or was the answer. Def. wanted to see him a few times the way Geno was playing. But he's not nearly as good as Geno. And that's not saying much. IF Geno finishes out the season, we have a legit shot to make playoffs.
This, to me, just doesn't look like a playoff team. They guy pushed around too often.
Yeah but winning the division would be a good start for this team to build on. That’s what I’m hoping for.
 

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A part of a game against a tough opponent that we were already losing to isn’t a fair test. I’d like to see him get a couple games but absent Genos injury carrying over we won’t see it.
 
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Think many just knew what he was when he got traded here..
I'm still ok with him (for now), rather part of my point here was to highlight how much people undersell the tough situation any QB would have on this team because then they'd have to re-evaluate some of their assumptions about our current starter.

People thought Howell should be ok because he was in a pass heavy offense with a 'bad' offensive line last year, so he'd be ok here in Seattle. Except, no, Washington didn't have a bad offensive line. We do.

Washington had an above average OL. (2nd in Run Block Win Rate, 7th in Pass Block Win Rate, 12th in Time-To-Pressure and Run Stuff Rate.) Their QB took a lot of sacks, but people need to stop equating QB sacks to bad O-Line.

Howell has no experience behind a line as bad as ours and it shows. (I mean, I still would expect a guy with a year of starting experience to look a little more prepared.)


A part of a game against a tough opponent that we were already losing to isn’t a fair test. I’d like to see him get a couple games but absent Genos injury carrying over we won’t see it.
It's a fair test when you are comparing him to other backups in a similar situation, which was the whole point here.

Yeah, Howell wasn't good compared to a starter (which no one should have expected) but Howell wasn't good compared to backups in the exact same situation.

So, is it Howell or do we have a really crappy situation that Geno has been regularly overperforming in? I think it's the second, but your mileage may vary.
 

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My expectation for Howell, Schneider, and Grubb is for the 3 of them to take a long walk off a short pier. I'm so sick and tired of our offense.
 

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Looks like Geno is going to play, so it's a non-factor. I've never once said Howell is better or was the answer. Def. wanted to see him a few times the way Geno was playing. But he's not nearly as good as Geno. And that's not saying much. IF Geno finishes out the season, we have a legit shot to make playoffs.
This, to me, just doesn't look like a playoff team. They guy pushed around too often.
I think we're a playoff team. We're just a bottom tier playoff team right now. We've gone toe to toe with some good teams, got blown out by others. It's the classic case of the flawed, scrappy team that edges into the playoffs by the seat of their pants.

Seattle has some major flaws, but they also are capable of punching some unsuspecting teams. I don't expect to go all of the way this year, hell we may even just miss the playoffs. While we're in the hunt we need to start Geno, it would be negligent not too. If anything it would help give Mike MacDonald some street cred, which is important when you're trying to build a program.

As for Howell, I think it's clear he is not the solution -- I'm not sure the FO ever thought that either. If anything, Howell allowed the Seahawks to save a good amount on backup QB salary. He isn't even making one million. He played good enough in Washington that he showed he could be a backup with some potential.
 

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I held out hope that we could turn to Howell in 2025 if we said goodbye to Geno after this year.

After last week, I no longer have that hope. He was pathetically unprepared. An absolute, classic 'deer in the headlights' debacle.
 

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I think we're a playoff team. We're just a bottom tier playoff team right now. We've gone toe to toe with some good teams, got blown out by others. It's the classic case of the flawed, scrappy team that edges into the playoffs by the seat of their pants.

Seattle has some major flaws, but they also are capable of punching some unsuspecting teams. I don't expect to go all of the way this year, hell we may even just miss the playoffs. While we're in the hunt we need to start Geno, it would be negligent not too. If anything it would help give Mike MacDonald some street cred, which is important when you're trying to build a program.

As for Howell, I think it's clear he is not the solution -- I'm not sure the FO ever thought that either. If anything, Howell allowed the Seahawks to save a good amount on backup QB salary. He isn't even making one million. He played good enough in Washington that he showed he could be a backup with some potential.
Shoot, at this point, I just wanna' get in the dance. I'd be plenty satisfied with even a wildcard birth. Even if my boy Pitt will tell me I'm a homer :)
 

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