RB options?

[GemCity]

I can understand trading for, and paying, Achane and not paying K9. K9 seemed like he was always missing games every year due to some kind of injury. I don't think Achane has had any problem with missing games because of nagging injuries. If we are going to pay for a top-5 NFL RB, I'd prefer it we pay one that doesn't miss games every year.

If given the option of drafting Notre Dame RB Jadarian Price with our 1st round #32 pick OR trading that pick for De'Von Achane...then I would much rather trade for Achane. Jadarian Price is not a great RB prospect and he would be a big reach if taken at #32. Price is a low 2nd round talent. Achane is only 24 years old (two years older than Price) and has at least 5 years of elite years left in him.

Here are a couple of good videos of him. I knew Achane was fast (4.32 40-yard), but he also has really good contact balance and vision. Most speed RB tend to have poor contact balance but thats not the case with Achane.

I’d love for us to get him. But, he’d be due for his extension as soon as we signed him (wouldn’t come in as a one year rental).

There are hopes as it appears Miami is trying to get themselves out of cap purgatory. They’re hitting the ol proverbial reset button.

Achane is worth it imo. He’s better than K9.

But, I don’t have the warm fuzzy that JS thinks it will be worth it. I’d hate to sacrifice this upcoming seasons chances at a SB because we’re too invested in the future.

Most of the guys will be easily replaced but, losing K9 definitely hurt. I do love our two back model. If Char weren’t injured, we likely wouldn’t be having this conversation.

But the fact is, Charb has a long road ahead of him. Fielding a team with the RB room in its current state is a huge question mark. While I have faith that JS and MM are going to do what’s best , it’s still a question mark.

I’m excited to see a healthy Kmac. I’m excited to see a healthy Holani. Emmanuel Wilson was a nice addition.

Maybe a combination of those hold it down until Charbs comes back and takes #1?

Lots of ‘maybe’…

I wouldn’t mind trading a first round and mid round pick (next years draft) for Achane. Dude averages what? 5.7 YPC on a weak team?

I don’t think it will happen though.

…..yes, I’m trying reverse psychology here.

 

[Ozzy]

I’d love for us to get him. But, he’d be due for his extension as soon as we signed him (wouldn’t come in as a one year rental).

There are hopes as it appears Miami is trying to get themselves out of cap purgatory. They’re hitting the ol proverbial reset button.

Achane is worth it imo. He’s better than K9.

But, I don’t have the warm fuzzy that JS thinks it will be worth it. I’d hate to sacrifice this upcoming seasons chances at a SB because we’re too invested in the future.

Most of the guys will be easily replaced but, losing K9 definitely hurt. I do love our two back model. If Char weren’t injured, we likely wouldn’t be having this conversation.

But the fact is, Charb has a long road ahead of him. Fielding team with the RB room in its current state is a huge question mark. While I have faith that JS and MM are going to do what’s best , it’s still a question mark.

I’m excited to see a healthy Kmac. I’m excited to see a healthy Holani. Emmanuel Wilson was a nice addition.

Maybe a combination of those hold it down until Charbs comes back and takes #1?

Lots of ‘maybe’…

I wouldn’t mind trading a first round and mid round pick (next years draft) for Achane. Dude averages what? 5.7 YPC on a weak team?

I don’t think it will happen though.

…..yes, I’m trying reverse psychology here.

Spot on and how I see it. I do think its worth it and would trust John to figure out the rest but don't see it happening either.

 

[DJrmb]

This isn't going to be a popular opinion for some here but John didn't pay K9 because K9 got overpaid. He is not an elite running back. People seem to have a lot of recency bias because he was SB MVP. if there is 3 tiers of RB: Elite, Good, and Serviceable. K9 is in the 2nd tier. He's not Saquon or Henry. He's not Jonathan Taylor or BiJan Robinson. He's below guys like McCaffrey, J. Cook, Achane, and Gibbs.

That does not mean though that John wouldn't have paid an Elite tier RB the contract that K9 got. I think he's shown exactly the opposite in the past when making Marshawn one of the highest paid RB's in the league not once but twice. It's simply about value to the team as John has said. You have a budget which is a limited resource. If you pay a RB elite tier money he has to be good enough (in your scheme) to make up for not being able to use that money elsewhere. Some guys have enough talent and do enough with their overall game to make up that difference. Some guys do not. And that can be somewhat different from team to team based on scheme. Christian McCaffery is incredible in the SF scheme where they take advantage of his elite pass catching. However, his value would be much lower to a team that does not scheme (or know how to scheme) passing to the RB as a main focus of their offense.

 

[Appyhawk]

Isn't this a weak draft class for RBs though?

It is a weak draft, period.

 

[GemCity]

Not sure what ‘plan’ the Dolphins have but, they’re saying that Achane is off limits.

ESPN Article

 

[Liquid99]

Saw this as well. Waddle is expendable, but Achane is off limits? Seems like they might have this backwards.

 

[hawkfan68]

one thing I know for sure? they aren't taking RB in the first round. Never going to happen.

Well it's happened before. In 2018, when they drafted Rashaad Penny.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

I’d love for us to get him. But, he’d be due for his extension as soon as we signed him (wouldn’t come in as a one year rental).

There are hopes as it appears Miami is trying to get themselves out of cap purgatory. They’re hitting the ol proverbial reset button.

Achane is worth it imo. He’s better than K9.

But, I don’t have the warm fuzzy that JS thinks it will be worth it. I’d hate to sacrifice this upcoming seasons chances at a SB because we’re too invested in the future.

Most of the guys will be easily replaced but, losing K9 definitely hurt. I do love our two back model. If Char weren’t injured, we likely wouldn’t be having this conversation.

But the fact is, Charb has a long road ahead of him. Fielding a team with the RB room in its current state is a huge question mark. While I have faith that JS and MM are going to do what’s best , it’s still a question mark.

I’m excited to see a healthy Kmac. I’m excited to see a healthy Holani. Emmanuel Wilson was a nice addition.

Maybe a combination of those hold it down until Charbs comes back and takes #1?

Lots of ‘maybe’…

I wouldn’t mind trading a first round and mid round pick (next years draft) for Achane. Dude averages what? 5.7 YPC on a weak team?

I don’t think it will happen though.

…..yes, I’m trying reverse psychology here.

I did see the point made that one of the potential positives of new owners is the possibility of more escrow cash. If you are paying billions for a team you'll probably make a statement with escrow too. It was never an issue with Paul Allen but I don't think we are huge escrow spenders under Jody. Means you can manipulate the cap and probably pay more people in the same season.

I still don't think JS spends big money on a RB though, he never really has outside of Lynch and Carson. Probably regrets Carson as he got injured right after.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I guess that you prefer to not have a running back room. Those stupid Chiefs. When will they learn? Thanks for playing!

we have 7 running backs right now, how many do you need? The chiefs are stupid, in that you are correct. dude will miss at least 6 games. Watch. Cool name by the way. in reference to the Beretta side by side?

 

[GemCity]

Saw this as well. Waddle is expendable, but Achane is off limits? Seems like they might have this backwards.

Strange behavior indeed.

 

[Seahawker]

Emanuel Wilson- 26. 5'10" 226.
George Holani- 26. 5'10" 210.
Kenny McIntosh- 26. 6' 204.
Velus Jones Jr- 28. 6' 200.
Cam Akers- 26. 5'10" 217.
Jarcardia Wright- 25. 6' 218.
Zach Charbonnet- 25 6'1" 220.

John may draft someone like Coleman, Washington Jr or Singleton and will sign a couple of undrafted RB's. There is also preseason countdown day.
Leaves us with a likely total of 9 to 11+ running backs to look at in camp. Of that total 3 on active roster, a couple on the practice squad.

I think it's smart to hold off from throwing $ at the position especially this far from the draft.

One other reason I think we should go with what we have is I think JS may be looking at taking two CB's, a pass rusher, DT and maybe even a RG. I preface the RG thought hoping competition/upgrade will help the offense and maybe John saw the difference Zabel made.

I think the positions of strength in this draft may align with our needs, as in taking two CB's and an edge rusher with our limited picks.
Not much room for taking a shot on a RB unless they are very high on someone.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Well it's happened before. In 2018, when they drafted Rashaad Penny.

and how did that work out? That pick had Pete's fingerprints all over it. Notice JS has been on a roll with his picks since Pete's departure?

 

[Bobblehead]

Emanuel Wilson- 26. 5'10" 226.
George Holani- 26. 5'10" 210.
Kenny McIntosh- 26. 6' 204.
Velus Jones Jr- 28. 6' 200.
Cam Akers- 26. 5'10" 217.
Jarcardia Wright- 25. 6' 218.
Zach Charbonnet- 25 6'1" 220.

Only 4 cents short of a dozen.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

well shit.

It is a deep subject.

 

[Shane Falco]

and how did that work out? That pick had Pete's fingerprints all over it. Notice JS has been on a roll with his picks since Pete's departure?

To be fair, JS has been on a roll since getting all the picks from Denver for Russ. So that includes PC's last couple years and Mike's first couple of years.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Watched his entire career at UW. He would absolutely fit in here. Coach Mike wants a violent team, he's a violent runner.

I just pulled a Johna Coleman rookie card out of a pack of college cards

 

[Sperrydogg]

I'd be fine with adding Brian Robinson Jr. as a solid veteran plus drafting one of Washington Jr., Price, Johnson, Coleman or Singleton.

Is Robinson available? I thought he was a niner

 

[CouchLogic]

Seattle has 3 very capable players in the backfield. They just need reps as the No.1/No.2 (Charbs excluded). Maybe add a player in the draft, but I'm not sure it's necessary.

Holani and McIntosh have looked good with the limited opportunities they've been given, at some point JS/MM need see what they are really made of. We've all seen it, and only naysayers are going to downplay it (they hate everything anyway, lol).

It's not like JS/MM are afraid of pivoting mid-season and adding players into the mix if things are not panning out how they expect. That's why they get the big bucks, and everyone else dabble in conjecture on the internet and in bars.

 

[toffee]

Considering who's on the roster currently not injured, Penny would be an upgrade.

Penny had motivation and injury issues. We should add avoid-contacts issue as part of his injury issues. When he was on, he was K9 before K9.

 

[hawkfan68]

and how did that work out? That pick had Pete's fingerprints all over it. Notice JS has been on a roll with his picks since Pete's departure?

Not disagreeing with you there. JS has done a great job of drafting. However, he was part of the team when Penny was drafted. Unless you are in the room, you have no clue how much input he had when making that choice. He was also there when they traded for Marshawn Lynch (the best rb of the PC/JS era). Marshawn was a 1st round back too even though the Seahawks didn't draft him. Penny was outstanding in college so I'm not blaming them for picking him. It's unfortunate it didn't work out.