Ramsey Trade

[knownone]

Today's game didn't change my perception of a possible trade at all. If they don't have faith in the guys they have, and they can get Ramsey at a reasonable price then by all means do it.

This game wasn't lost by the defense. The circumstances of the game allowed the Saints to play the game they wanted on offense. We never forced Teddy into pressure situations, we essentially gave them 20 points, and that allowed Kamara to dominate the game with screens because Seattle had to play aggressively on defense.

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[peppersjap]

If you were one shut down corner away, I’d do it, but the defense is full of holes
IMHO.

Idk, pass rush needs to be better but on paper we should have one of the best LB corps in the league. Just got Clowney, Ansah is supposed to be a solid LEO. Pete's defense has been largely carried by excellent secondary play. Adding a guy like Ramsey would allow them to call plays where he is on an island and you can trust he will do his job. I just don't see that out of anyone on the roster right now. If the price is right I don't know how you don't take a gamble on a player like him, especially entering the post LOB years of the Seahawks.

IMHO we have 3 glaring holes in the secondary. Those not named McD.
I think the D-line is a bit over rated, which forces our great LB’s to try to do too much.

McDougal was a complete embarrassment today. He went to tackle Kamara and just gave him a shoulder bump, no attempt to wrap him up at all. I have been a fan of McDougal but I thought he was by far our worst db today.

 

[timmat]

If it were a simple case of trading some picks to get him, it would be very tempting. However the eventual massive contract is the deterrent here IMO when we have other needs and just gave huge deals to Russ and Bobby (both well deserved).

The D had a bad day tackling yesterday, but I don't think that's why we lost. The punt return TD and the scoop-and-score fumble gave them 14pts. Also as Pete pointed out, the goofy alignment penalty on the field goal they missed essentially worked as an additional turnover, and they scored off that as well.

Pass rush is the corner's best friend. If we can hurry some QBs, we'll see the secondary play improve. Then everyone would point to the improved secondary, when it's actually the pass rush. It's all related. Our best years on D combined amazing secondary talent with the fact that we could pressure QBs with our front 4.

So just adding a stud corner at the expense of other positions isn't probably the way to go.

 

[ZagHawk]

So the Hawks don't extend Sherman because he's too expensive and has drama and instead you want them to trade 1 or 2 first round picks for another elite QB who is also expensive and has drama?

 

[Seymour]

If you were one shut down corner away, I’d do it, but the defense is full of holes
IMHO.

Idk, pass rush needs to be better but on paper we should have one of the best LB corps in the league. Just got Clowney, Ansah is supposed to be a solid LEO. Pete's defense has been largely carried by excellent secondary play. Adding a guy like Ramsey would allow them to call plays where he is on an island and you can trust he will do his job. I just don't see that out of anyone on the roster right now. If the price is right I don't know how you don't take a gamble on a player like him, especially entering the post LOB years of the Seahawks.

IMHO we have 3 glaring holes in the secondary. Those not named McD.
I think the D-line is a bit over rated, which forces our great LB’s to try to do too much.

The DL needs Reed bad. Was too easy for Teddy to step up.

Also Griffin is playing pretty darn good, he had a nice breakup on Thomas. The corner who is having a slump is Tre.

No slump. Is who he is IMO.

Expect that crap to continue. :|

 

[Sgt. Largent]

So the Hawks don't extend Sherman because he's too expensive and has drama and instead you want them to trade 1 or 2 first round picks for another elite QB who is also expensive and has drama?

We got rid of Sherman because he was too expensive for coming off a major injury AND the drama.

That's how it works in the NFL, teams will put up with your drama usually if you're still healthy and playing at a high level. You get hurt like Sherman and Earl? Then no, the drama isn't worth your cap hit.

So yes, I've seen enough of the Flowers/Griffin combo at CB. Flowers has been awful this year, and cost us two plays yesterday because he just looked lost on what to do. Could have easily cracked down at the goal line AND the brutal 1st 3rd down conversion screen to Hill that pretty much sealed the game for NO.

Go get Ramsey for me, I don't care if it's two first rounders.

 

[TwistedHusky]

You cannot depend on this defense.

Putting Ramsey in this defense won't change that.

What will happen is Ramsey will see just how much Carroll puts the screws to his defense while not holding the offense accountable. And he will rightfully freak out just like guys like Sherman, ET, and the rest did. It is a testament to Wagner's personality that he never did.

You cannot fix this defense with a single player unless that player is an ET clone.

We don't have the horses anymore to win with defense. It does not mean we do not have the horses anymore to win period.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

You cannot depend on this defense.

Putting Ramsey in this defense won't change that.

What will happen is Ramsey will see just how much Carroll puts the screws to his defense while not holding the offense accountable. And he will rightfully freak out just like guys like Sherman, ET, and the rest did. It is a testament to Wagner's personality that he never did.

You cannot fix this defense with a single player unless that player is an ET clone.

We don't have the horses anymore to win with defense. It does not mean we do not have the horses anymore to win period.

No one's saying Ramsey fixes the defense, just as Clowney obviously didn't fix the defense.......or any one player.

We get it, but if you're building your defense, you need a shut down corner. Especially in Pete's style of cover three where he needs an elite corner to take away half the field so he can drop his thumper SS down into the box and smother offenses.

So no, not fix. But Ramsey certainly is a piece of the defense we're desperately missing. I don't like giving up two first rounders. But this is where we're at.

I do know one thing, Flowers and Griffin sure as hell aren't the answers. They're the problems.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Today's game didn't change my perception of a possible trade at all. If they don't have faith in the guys they have, and they can get Ramsey at a reasonable price then by all means do it.

This game wasn't lost by the defense. The circumstances of the game allowed the Saints to play the game they wanted on offense. We never forced Teddy into pressure situations, we essentially gave them 20 points, and that allowed Kamara to dominate the game with screens because Seattle had to play aggressively on defense.

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Feel free to fill me in on why you’ve quoted me here.

It was largely the "never forced Teddy into pressure situations" line. I felt the quote helped illuminate why there WAS no forcing Teddy into pressure situations, just like Wilson largely felt no pressure today. The gameplans protected both of them.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

You cannot depend on this defense.

Putting Ramsey in this defense won't change that.

What will happen is Ramsey will see just how much Carroll puts the screws to his defense while not holding the offense accountable. And he will rightfully freak out just like guys like Sherman, ET, and the rest did. It is a testament to Wagner's personality that he never did.

You cannot fix this defense with a single player unless that player is an ET clone.

We don't have the horses anymore to win with defense. It does not mean we do not have the horses anymore to win period.

No one's saying Ramsey fixes the defense, just as Clowney obviously didn't fix the defense.......or any one player.

We get it, but if you're building your defense, you need a shut down corner. Especially in Pete's style of cover three where he needs an elite corner to take away half the field so he can drop his thumper SS down into the box and smother offenses.

So no, not fix. But Ramsey certainly is a piece of the defense we're desperately missing. I don't like giving up two first rounders. But this is where we're at.

I do know one thing, Flowers and Griffin sure as hell aren't the answers. They're the problems.

I'm not nearly as down on those two guys, but the problem is, they're 8-8 players. Too good to just kick to the curb, not good enough to really make plays. It's said that 8-8 players are actually worse than 5-11 players because they get entrenched on the team and you can't easily get rid of them.

Ramsey would be hugely pricey, but he would also get us out of the 8-8 slump. I just question whether Pete would be able to reign him in and whether he'd be worth it in the locker room.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Ramsey would be hugely pricey, but he would also get us out of the 8-8 slump. I just question whether Pete would be able to reign him in and whether he'd be worth it in the locker room.

Maybe that's what this defense needs, another Sherman mouth to call players out and inject some edge and nastiness to a defense that let's be honest, has gotten soft.

What could happen? The D gets worse? More drama? Doubt it. You pay Ramsey and he'll be fine.

 

[James in PA]

Ramsey called out “sick” from Jags practice today. Much more of this drama and maybe they will lower their asking price.


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[chris98251]

Well we can get AB and Ramsey and we would have two guys that can keep the Media happy and are arguably the best at their positions, we have a lot of cap room next year if I am not mistaken just back load them.

It should fix all the problems with our team..................................

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Ramsey called out “sick” from Jags practice today. Much more of this drama and maybe they will lower their asking price.


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He may be sick all week and hence, not play Sunday. I would not be surprised if the Jags lower his price.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

No to Ramsey. Too expensive of a trade.

I do however endorse a trade for Jamal Adams. This team desperately needs a physical presence. An intimidator. Adams' position isn't as valuable as shutdown corner. But I think his unique physical gifts enhance his value particularly for what Seattle wants and needs in this defense.

Price is lower. Loads of club control left on his deal. And there isn't a Safety in this class close to the profile of Adams. Delpit is a 'better' safety prospect as he'll get his hands on the ball. But Adams is an enforcer and as close to Kam as there is in this league.

I don't know if Blair can play free for us. But if you were to pair Adams and Blair as a starting tandem in the long term, you probably have the most punishing safety set in the NFL. Certainly top 3.

 

[Sports Hernia]

If you were one shut down corner away, I’d do it, but the defense is full of holes
IMHO.

Idk, pass rush needs to be better but on paper we should have one of the best LB corps in the league. Just got Clowney, Ansah is supposed to be a solid LEO. Pete's defense has been largely carried by excellent secondary play. Adding a guy like Ramsey would allow them to call plays where he is on an island and you can trust he will do his job. I just don't see that out of anyone on the roster right now. If the price is right I don't know how you don't take a gamble on a player like him, especially entering the post LOB years of the Seahawks.

IMHO we have 3 glaring holes in the secondary. Those not named McD.
I think the D-line is a bit over rated, which forces our great LB’s to try to do too much.

McDougal was a complete embarrassment today. He went to tackle Kamara and just gave him a shoulder bump, no attempt to wrap him up at all. I have been a fan of McDougal but I thought he was by far our worst db today.

I don’t disagree with your assessment of McD’s play out there Sunday. We had a defense full of Ken Hamlin’s that refused to wrap up when tackling.

 

[hawks85]

If anything happens with this trade talk I just have a weird feeling Seattle is gonna give up some MAJOR picks for Ramsey. If any team makes a serious move its gonna be the Seahawks.

 

[James in PA]

Future Seattle Seahawk Jalen Ramsey won’t practice again today for Jacksonville due to a back issue that suddenly popped up. This comes after calling out sick on Monday. They didn’t practice Tuesday.


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[SoulfishHawk]

Considering he is probably the best corner in football, make it happen.

 

[Seymour]

No thanks...He can keep his drama and mouth and huge salary expectations and drain another team of all their chemistry. Going after coaches is Sherman 2 and Percy.....they are gone for a reason.

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