QB for 2025 season

[Ozzy]

Rob Staton's been talking up Allar of late, so it's no surprise his name came up here. Sanders might be the only true first round talent, though I'm no draft expert. It's the kind of year where you take a flyer on one in the 3rd or 4th round on some guy with some great physical gifts, but hasn't shined with them yet. Long way to go, though.

Fix the OLine and shore up the defensive front.

A lot of people like Allan though to be fair. Hes got unique physical tools.

I agree we need to fix the lines as a priority but if you have a chance to draft a franchise QB a Gm is going to jump at that every time and they should.

 

[NoGain]

A lot of people like Allan though to be fair. Hes got unique physical tools.

I agree we need to fix the lines as a priority but if you have a chance to draft a franchise QB a Gm is going to jump at that every time and they should.

Honestly, I just don't know enough about him.

 

[SonicHawk]

A lot of people like Allan though to be fair. Hes got unique physical tools.

I agree we need to fix the lines as a priority but if you have a chance to draft a franchise QB a Gm is going to jump at that every time and they should.

Allar is staying in college next year.

 

[Ozzy]

Allar is staying in college next year.

Yeah saw that, probably a smart move on his part.

 

[Ozzy]

Honestly, I just don't know enough about him.

I haven’t watched him play other than highlight clips either. I don’t have a strong feeling on any of these guys honestly

 

[GeekHawk]

I dunno man, for a couple years now I've been seeing posts about how Geno only looks good against bad teams. Which to me shows that if we play a team with a D-line that can't overcome our woeful O-line, that Geno plays all elite and stuff. And he stinks it up when we play a good team, meaning a team with a good D-line. I believe this is causal and not a mere correlation. With the quality of our O-line, getting a new QB would be like getting a new shelter cat after coyotes ate the last one, and leaving the new one outside with the coyotes. I don't think Tom Brady or Joe Montana could look good playing here right now.

 

[Ozzy]

I dunno man, for a couple years now I've been seeing posts about how Geno only looks good against bad teams. Which to me shows that if we play a team with a D-line that can't overcome our woeful O-line, that Geno plays all elite and stuff. And he stinks it up when we play a good team, meaning a team with a good D-line. I believe this is causal and not a mere correlation. With the quality of our O-line, getting a new QB would be like getting a new shelter cat after coyotes ate the last one, and leaving the new one outside with the coyotes. I don't think Tom Brady or Joe Montana could look good playing here right now.

You may be right but at the same time the Bengals have a worse line and yet Burrow is putting up MVP numbers. Drake Maye a rookie plays being a worse line with zero weapons. Seattle is light years better at RB and WR with a better line and yet Maye is putting up similar numbers numbers to Geno and is playing better as the season goes on.

Maybe some of it is on Geno too?

 

[OrangeGravy]

You may be right but at the same time the Bengals have a worse line and yet Burrow is putting up MVP numbers. Drake Maye a rookie plays being a worse line with zero weapons. Seattle is light years better at RB and WR with a better line and yet Maye is putting up similar numbers numbers to Geno and is playing better as the season goes on.

Maybe some of it is on Geno too?

I don't anything about the Patriots, but the Bengals WR room is significantly better than ours and I dont think anyone thinks Geno is better than Burrow, do they?

 

[Ozzy]

I don't anything about the Patriots, but the Bengals WR room is significantly better than ours and I dont think anyone thinks Geno is better than Burrow, do they?

Meh our receiver room is one of the best in the league. The gulf isn’t so wide to match the different results.

Someone posted he’s top 5 and multiple people have said he’s elite so while not Burrow he’s in the upper echelon.

Patriots are terrible outside of Maye.

 

[SonicHawk]

Drake Maye's line is pretty good. Watching some of Maye's TDs and he's had a lot of time. Literally have never seen Geno with so much time. Also, some really beautiful passes from Maye!






It's actually pretty impressive. Even his interceptions are just bad decisions or being aggressive and not because of the pocket collapsing. Here's a few screenshots a second before picks.




Geno is just dealing with tougher conditions regarding the line -- DK and JSN should be better than anything Maye has. And Maye is a rookie who is learning the speed of the game, but it's a good thing NE has a solid line.

Maye also gets sacked in dumb situations too. How does this turn into a sack.



or this.



Just thought it'd be fun to dive into another QB. Maye's a young QB who will continue to get better. Obviously you're not too upset at any of this.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

Rob Staton's been talking up Allar of late, so it's no surprise his name came up here. Sanders might be the only true first round talent, though I'm no draft expert. It's the kind of year where you take a flyer on one in the 3rd or 4th round on some guy with some great physical gifts, but hasn't shined with them yet. Long way to go, though.

Fix the OLine and shore up the defensive front.

Just a few weeks ago, Rob Staton called Drew Allar a poor man's Mike Glennon. So what does this guy really believe?

 

[OrangeGravy]

You may be right but at the same time the Bengals have a worse line and yet Burrow is putting up MVP numbers. Drake Maye a rookie plays being a worse line with zero weapons. Seattle is light years better at RB and WR with a better line and yet Maye is putting up similar numbers numbers to Geno and is playing better as the season goes on.

Maybe some of it is on Geno too?

Furthermore, of course some of it is on Geno. What people are failing to grasp or understand, is that there isnt an available solution that is better than Geno. There is no QB available in FA that is better than Geno. Baker or Darnold or whoever else people think are better options, aren't better option in reality on the field.
If we change out Geno for any of those other QBs, you would quickly realize they have their own warts when you get to watch every snap they play every game.
The odds are overwhelmingly against any QB coming out of college ever getting to the level that Geno plays at right now and has since he took over here. There might be a handful of them every few years that reach that level, but most will flame out or hover in the below average journeyman range. Even IF you found one with that potential, they almost certainly wont get to that level in the next 2 years. Not only are you counting on winning the lottery to even find a QB that might be good someday, you're also counting on hitting the lottery a 2nd time to find that rare guy that can do it right away. That strategy is more than acceptable if yo7 keep someone like Geno while you take shots, but gets you fired if put all your eggs in that basket. There's a reason the position is so valuable, scarcity!
Critique and analyze until your hearts content, as fans are supposed to do, but we part ways when the conversation enters the realm of thinking there are better QBs available to us. There's different, there's better that's unavailable, there's worse, but there isn't better and available.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Just a few weeks ago, Rob Staton called Drew Allar a poor man's Mike Glennon. So what does this guy really believe?

He believes whatever gets him clicks

 

[SonicHawk]

There have been 16 4th Qtr RZ interceptions and Geno unfortunately has 25% of them. In fact he only has one RZ INT outside of the 4th quarter. No matter excuses on these plays the fact is they happened and it frustrates people and we can make excuses, even if they are valid -- but results are results. Geno can't do it if he wants to be an NFL QB.

 

[Ozzy]

Furthermore, of course some of it is on Geno. What people are failing to grasp or understand, is that there isnt an available solution that is better than Geno. There is no QB available in FA that is better than Geno. Baker or Darnold or whoever else people think are better options, aren't better option in reality on the field.
If we change out Geno for any of those other QBs, you would quickly realize they have their own warts when you get to watch every snap they play every game.
The odds are overwhelmingly against any QB coming out of college ever getting to the level that Geno plays at right now and has since he took over here. There might be a handful of them every few years that reach that level, but most will flame out or hover in the below average journeyman range. Even IF you found one with that potential, they almost certainly wont get to that level in the next 2 years. Not only are you counting on winning the lottery to even find a QB that might be good someday, you're also counting on hitting the lottery a 2nd time to find that rare guy that can do it right away. That strategy is more than acceptable if yo7 keep someone like Geno while you take shots, but gets you fired if put all your eggs in that basket. There's a reason the position is so valuable, scarcity!
Critique and analyze until your hearts content, as fans are supposed to do, but we part ways when the conversation enters the realm of thinking there are better QBs available to us. There's different, there's better that's unavailable, there's worse, but there isn't better and available.

I’m not calling for a change right now. He’s their best option and I think almost everyone agrees. I don’t think that’s a lock for next year though when you factor in what he wants to be paid, his age, his fall off this year, he’s 19th in efficiency on a per play basis and is bottom three in touchdown passes and 2nd in interceptions (or first?) that’s not worth 50 million and yeah it opens the door for a change next year if he wants a pay day. You might disagree but it’s a reasonable take. Keeping Geno for another year is a reasonable take too and while I disagree I don’t think people are stupid, less of a fan, don’t know football etc either though.

 

[GeekHawk]

Burrow has been sacked 33 times, where Geno has been sacked 43 times... I would submit that the Bungles O-line is most certainly *NOT* worse than ours. They can run the ball better as well.

 

[Ozzy]

Burrow has been sacked 33 times, where Geno has been sacked 43 times... I would submit that the Bungles O-line is most certainly *NOT* worse than ours. They can run the ball better as well.

Their pass blocking is terrible. Burrow is a master at getting the ball out a lot like Brady was. I think every grading site had them worse than ours. Both are terrible so it’s probably splitting hairs but the main difference is Burriw processes things extremely fast

 

[GeekHawk]

2nd in interceptions (or first?)

3rd, actually. Also 3rd in passing yards.

 

[Ozzy]

3rd, actually. Also 3rd in passing yards.

I’m not a huge fan of volume passing yards. Goff and Baker are also in the top 4 and while I like those guys I’m not sure they’re elite? And 3rd in interceptions is still pretty bad no?

Point is Geno has and is capable of playing better. We need him to.

 

[rigelian]

I'm not suggesting neglecting the offensive line.

The problem is that you can't fix it all at once. I look at the current situation and think that replacing a QB is far more difficult than to build out an offensive line. There are organizations who have been trying to find QB for years. Cleveland, New York Jets, New York Giants, Denver Broncos (until Bo Nix)...